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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 06 2012 23:36 GMT
#1241
On August 07 2012 08:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 08:33 HazMat wrote:
Wasn't there a thread for posting highlight videos or something? I have a video I made I want to post... should I just post it here?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199350&currentpage=106#2114

o wtf.
It isn't funny but okay that works.
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 06 2012 23:38 GMT
#1242
God damn new xin zhao is ridiculous.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 06 2012 23:50 GMT
#1243
Nid top vs. Xin zhao, try to keep range between us, but he just charges me and I die. I really really wish he wasn't reworked.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 07 2012 00:09 GMT
#1244
Maybe you shouldn't play nid
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 07 2012 00:13 GMT
#1245
Maybe xin shouldn't be op.
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 00:18:49
August 07 2012 00:18 GMT
#1246
If IMoperator loses to a champ, then obviously the champ is OP.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 00:27:51
August 07 2012 00:24 GMT
#1247
On August 07 2012 05:58 Seuss wrote:
How much of that money is being spent on the house? If most of the money is for the house my gut instinct is they could have saved 50-75% of that money by finding a better, cheaper location.


I'm going to assume a lot.



2:47
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
August 07 2012 00:27 GMT
#1248
On August 07 2012 06:38 WirelessWaffle wrote:
he stops attacking half the time when you use his E

very annoying.


This has happened to everyone in jungle for me, was it an intended change or a bug?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 07 2012 00:27 GMT
#1249
On August 07 2012 09:18 HeroHenry wrote:
If IMoperator loses to a champ, then obviously the champ is OP.

Only Darius and Xin are OP. Blitz and teemo are the most annoying champs though.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 07 2012 00:35 GMT
#1250
On August 07 2012 09:24 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 05:58 Seuss wrote:
How much of that money is being spent on the house? If most of the money is for the house my gut instinct is they could have saved 50-75% of that money by finding a better, cheaper location.


I'm going to assume a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M796VD_QV_g

2:47


Ha. SV classic mini-racism.
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 07 2012 00:39 GMT
#1251
On August 07 2012 09:35 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 09:24 iCanada wrote:
On August 07 2012 05:58 Seuss wrote:
How much of that money is being spent on the house? If most of the money is for the house my gut instinct is they could have saved 50-75% of that money by finding a better, cheaper location.


I'm going to assume a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M796VD_QV_g

2:47


Ha. SV classic mini-racism.

To be fair, french Canadians (like Hubert) actually talk like that.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 07 2012 01:17 GMT
#1252
On August 07 2012 09:09 101toss wrote:
Maybe you shouldn't play nid

Everyone should stop playing her so they'll remove her from the game

i can dream
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
August 07 2012 01:25 GMT
#1253
Full ap nidalee and fed most annoying champion in the game by far ! I was spectating a game of my friends today and the opponent nidalee was throwing spears left and right taking half of their squishy's hp ^_^ funny to watch, but I remember laning agaisnt varus ( Q!!!) and nidalee once ...
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 07 2012 01:26 GMT
#1254
Man, whining that xin is op because a champ who has a hard 600 range gapclose and a strong early game counters a champ who only wants to harass from range and not commit to a fight until level 6.
Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
August 07 2012 01:56 GMT
#1255
Hmm, I tried out some AP eve solomid. I played vs. a terrible zyra, but it seems to me that ap eve is really good at stomping. I have no clue about her viability in an high elo game, but she seems pretty good as a stomper.

Lane phase is clunky, and I suspect that a good zyra could have denied me farm, but q lets you farm under tower pretty much perfectly and is smooth enough that you can farm. Your w passive makes avoiding skillshots much easier. Needs to be tested vs. good players though.

And then you're really hard to kill and have lots of sticking power, so its very easy to assassinate people who get caught and then run away. Your q does a lot of sustained damage, ever vs. tanks.

On the other hand, the enemy team was really bad in that game, so I have no clue if any of this works vs. correct play. It was really fun to play though, so try solomid AP eve out :D
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 07 2012 02:08 GMT
#1256
^mid cow/Sion is better
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
August 07 2012 02:08 GMT
#1257
I remember playing vs an Eve top as warwick, and that stuff is hilarious. I don't know if the Eve was just bad or if WW counter her, but she could not do anything. I took all her damage and just healed it back with AAs on creeps and Q. She had her spike on, and what I could do was chase after her, making her run while spike was going off, and make her lose a good amount of mana. Are high sustain champs just really good against Eve?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Nehsb
Profile Joined May 2009
United States380 Posts
August 07 2012 02:13 GMT
#1258
On August 07 2012 11:08 101toss wrote:
^mid cow/Sion is better


It feels to me like eve lategame is a lot stronger though. As I said, I've haven't tested this vs. good people, but eve's cooldowns are so low so lategame you do a ton of sustained damage. And eve is a lot harder to kill than sion imo.


On August 07 2012 11:08 Dark_Chill wrote:
I remember playing vs an Eve top as warwick, and that stuff is hilarious. I don't know if the Eve was just bad or if WW counter her, but she could not do anything. I took all her damage and just healed it back with AAs on creeps and Q. She had her spike on, and what I could do was chase after her, making her run while spike was going off, and make her lose a good amount of mana. Are high sustain champs just really good against Eve?


It feels like eve can't really do much in the laning phase other than farm, (unless jungler ganks for her.)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 07 2012 02:14 GMT
#1259
On August 07 2012 10:56 Nehsb wrote:
Hmm, I tried out some AP eve solomid. I played vs. a terrible zyra, but it seems to me that ap eve is really good at stomping. I have no clue about her viability in an high elo game, but she seems pretty good as a stomper.

Lane phase is clunky, and I suspect that a good zyra could have denied me farm, but q lets you farm under tower pretty much perfectly and is smooth enough that you can farm. Your w passive makes avoiding skillshots much easier. Needs to be tested vs. good players though.

And then you're really hard to kill and have lots of sticking power, so its very easy to assassinate people who get caught and then run away. Your q does a lot of sustained damage, ever vs. tanks.

On the other hand, the enemy team was really bad in that game, so I have no clue if any of this works vs. correct play. It was really fun to play though, so try solomid AP eve out :D

Pretty much this.
Her laning phase is extremely awkward and she can have a lot of trouble v a lot of common mids, but the difference here is she farms MUCH better than old Eve, and so can get enough for boots 2 and a Kage and then she can roam. The best part about this is you can fuck around with your mid opponent and let the stealth kick in for a while evry now and then so they don't know when you're ACTUALLY roaming or not, so sometimes they'll leave, letting you freefarm and other times you can go gank and they won't bother following.

To me this seems the only viable way to play AP Eve.....you MUST roam in order to get kills, otherwise the enemy mid will outfarm and outscale you. It's a lot like AP TF, but without the insane waveclear and stun gank. Her gank as AP is MUCH better than as a jungler because even though she is squishy as all hell, she actually does burst damage properly at 6 rather than her exceptionally poor damage with Wriggle's, gp10 etc. You will always be able to find a way into bot or top lane without being seen and she can get very close.

So far from what I've seen, her core is DFG/Gunblade, grabbing the Cutlass first to help her gank out with the extra damage/slow. Once she grabs those 2 items and Sorcs she can instantly burst down almost any high-priority target necessary and escape decently with the extra survivability from Ult and her W. The guide I originally read said to keep going with the AP items after, but from what I've seen she really doesn't need more than this. Maybe a Zhonya's to act on Eve's global taunt thing, but I find it much more effective to build tanky so that once you've blown someone up you can actually survive to do a bunch more. Consider her lategame a lot like Katarina in that you have to wait a LONG time to enter a teamfight and you're a lot less safe, but your damage is a shit ton more reliable.


Not sure how this goes at high elo, as was said, because I imagine if she is shut down especially hard early game she may not even be able to start roaming early like she wants, but I'm going to keep trying and perfect this. It is currently, I believe, the ONLY useful way to play her unless her base stats are updated for the jungle.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 07 2012 02:22 GMT
#1260
On August 07 2012 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 10:56 Nehsb wrote:
Hmm, I tried out some AP eve solomid. I played vs. a terrible zyra, but it seems to me that ap eve is really good at stomping. I have no clue about her viability in an high elo game, but she seems pretty good as a stomper.

Lane phase is clunky, and I suspect that a good zyra could have denied me farm, but q lets you farm under tower pretty much perfectly and is smooth enough that you can farm. Your w passive makes avoiding skillshots much easier. Needs to be tested vs. good players though.

And then you're really hard to kill and have lots of sticking power, so its very easy to assassinate people who get caught and then run away. Your q does a lot of sustained damage, ever vs. tanks.

On the other hand, the enemy team was really bad in that game, so I have no clue if any of this works vs. correct play. It was really fun to play though, so try solomid AP eve out :D

Pretty much this.
Her laning phase is extremely awkward and she can have a lot of trouble v a lot of common mids, but the difference here is she farms MUCH better than old Eve, and so can get enough for boots 2 and a Kage and then she can roam. The best part about this is you can fuck around with your mid opponent and let the stealth kick in for a while evry now and then so they don't know when you're ACTUALLY roaming or not, so sometimes they'll leave, letting you freefarm and other times you can go gank and they won't bother following.

To me this seems the only viable way to play AP Eve.....you MUST roam in order to get kills, otherwise the enemy mid will outfarm and outscale you. It's a lot like AP TF, but without the insane waveclear and stun gank. Her gank as AP is MUCH better than as a jungler because even though she is squishy as all hell, she actually does burst damage properly at 6 rather than her exceptionally poor damage with Wriggle's, gp10 etc. You will always be able to find a way into bot or top lane without being seen and she can get very close.

So far from what I've seen, her core is DFG/Gunblade, grabbing the Cutlass first to help her gank out with the extra damage/slow. Once she grabs those 2 items and Sorcs she can instantly burst down almost any high-priority target necessary and escape decently with the extra survivability from Ult and her W. The guide I originally read said to keep going with the AP items after, but from what I've seen she really doesn't need more than this. Maybe a Zhonya's to act on Eve's global taunt thing, but I find it much more effective to build tanky so that once you've blown someone up you can actually survive to do a bunch more. Consider her lategame a lot like Katarina in that you have to wait a LONG time to enter a teamfight and you're a lot less safe, but your damage is a shit ton more reliable.


Not sure how this goes at high elo, as was said, because I imagine if she is shut down especially hard early game she may not even be able to start roaming early like she wants, but I'm going to keep trying and perfect this. It is currently, I believe, the ONLY useful way to play her unless her base stats are updated for the jungle.

Gunblade makes 0 sense to me if you're getting it for the slow. You already have a very strong slow on your R; why get gunblade? The stats on it are good, but it's extremely expensive and Eve is already starved for gold seeing how shitty her laning is. If I were to build Eve, I'd do something like philo/pick to get you some form of income and help with laning. From there grab a DFG, then build tanky AP. Gunblade doesn't really make sense as you already have a long range initiation slow from your ulti. Getting Rylais makes a lot more sense than Gunblade since it gives you a constant slow that allows you to chase down your target more effectively while making you tankier, which Eve desperately needs to be.
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