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On August 07 2012 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 10:56 Nehsb wrote:
Hmm, I tried out some AP eve solomid. I played vs. a terrible zyra, but it seems to me that ap eve is really good at stomping. I have no clue about her viability in an high elo game, but she seems pretty good as a stomper.
Lane phase is clunky, and I suspect that a good zyra could have denied me farm, but q lets you farm under tower pretty much perfectly and is smooth enough that you can farm. Your w passive makes avoiding skillshots much easier. Needs to be tested vs. good players though.
And then you're really hard to kill and have lots of sticking power, so its very easy to assassinate people who get caught and then run away. Your q does a lot of sustained damage, ever vs. tanks.
On the other hand, the enemy team was really bad in that game, so I have no clue if any of this works vs. correct play. It was really fun to play though, so try solomid AP eve out :D Pretty much this. Her laning phase is extremely awkward and she can have a lot of trouble v a lot of common mids, but the difference here is she farms MUCH better than old Eve, and so can get enough for boots 2 and a Kage and then she can roam. The best part about this is you can fuck around with your mid opponent and let the stealth kick in for a while evry now and then so they don't know when you're ACTUALLY roaming or not, so sometimes they'll leave, letting you freefarm and other times you can go gank and they won't bother following. To me this seems the only viable way to play AP Eve.....you MUST roam in order to get kills, otherwise the enemy mid will outfarm and outscale you. It's a lot like AP TF, but without the insane waveclear and stun gank. Her gank as AP is MUCH better than as a jungler because even though she is squishy as all hell, she actually does burst damage properly at 6 rather than her exceptionally poor damage with Wriggle's, gp10 etc. You will always be able to find a way into bot or top lane without being seen and she can get very close. So far from what I've seen, her core is DFG/Gunblade, grabbing the Cutlass first to help her gank out with the extra damage/slow. Once she grabs those 2 items and Sorcs she can instantly burst down almost any high-priority target necessary and escape decently with the extra survivability from Ult and her W. The guide I originally read said to keep going with the AP items after, but from what I've seen she really doesn't need more than this. Maybe a Zhonya's to act on Eve's global taunt thing, but I find it much more effective to build tanky so that once you've blown someone up you can actually survive to do a bunch more. Consider her lategame a lot like Katarina in that you have to wait a LONG time to enter a teamfight and you're a lot less safe, but your damage is a shit ton more reliable. Not sure how this goes at high elo, as was said, because I imagine if she is shut down especially hard early game she may not even be able to start roaming early like she wants, but I'm going to keep trying and perfect this. It is currently, I believe, the ONLY useful way to play her unless her base stats are updated for the jungle.
Hmm, I went kage's => deathcap/rylai/lichbane/dfg (pretty much rather random choice of items)
I feel like eve actually does scale with farm very well because unlike kat, eve has two choices:
assassinate the carry
sustained dps tanks until the enemy is low enough and then just cleanup
Unlike kat, eve has very low cooldown on q and actually does sustained damage.
Note that this is based off of a low level game and I have no clue if "she does sustained damage" is actually true or not, but thats how it felt.
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I just had a zyra on my team. Real strong. but also fed.
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On August 07 2012 11:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I just had a zyra on my team. Real strong. but also fed.
you can be the worst player in the world and still do good on her i think
literally
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Morello developed Zyra so he has an excuse to nerf Irelia secretly
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I didn't think the Brand change was that noticeable until it hit my AD carry like 4 times in a row. Bursty bursty.
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On August 07 2012 11:22 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 07 2012 10:56 Nehsb wrote:
Hmm, I tried out some AP eve solomid. I played vs. a terrible zyra, but it seems to me that ap eve is really good at stomping. I have no clue about her viability in an high elo game, but she seems pretty good as a stomper.
Lane phase is clunky, and I suspect that a good zyra could have denied me farm, but q lets you farm under tower pretty much perfectly and is smooth enough that you can farm. Your w passive makes avoiding skillshots much easier. Needs to be tested vs. good players though.
And then you're really hard to kill and have lots of sticking power, so its very easy to assassinate people who get caught and then run away. Your q does a lot of sustained damage, ever vs. tanks.
On the other hand, the enemy team was really bad in that game, so I have no clue if any of this works vs. correct play. It was really fun to play though, so try solomid AP eve out :D Pretty much this. Her laning phase is extremely awkward and she can have a lot of trouble v a lot of common mids, but the difference here is she farms MUCH better than old Eve, and so can get enough for boots 2 and a Kage and then she can roam. The best part about this is you can fuck around with your mid opponent and let the stealth kick in for a while evry now and then so they don't know when you're ACTUALLY roaming or not, so sometimes they'll leave, letting you freefarm and other times you can go gank and they won't bother following. To me this seems the only viable way to play AP Eve.....you MUST roam in order to get kills, otherwise the enemy mid will outfarm and outscale you. It's a lot like AP TF, but without the insane waveclear and stun gank. Her gank as AP is MUCH better than as a jungler because even though she is squishy as all hell, she actually does burst damage properly at 6 rather than her exceptionally poor damage with Wriggle's, gp10 etc. You will always be able to find a way into bot or top lane without being seen and she can get very close. So far from what I've seen, her core is DFG/Gunblade, grabbing the Cutlass first to help her gank out with the extra damage/slow. Once she grabs those 2 items and Sorcs she can instantly burst down almost any high-priority target necessary and escape decently with the extra survivability from Ult and her W. The guide I originally read said to keep going with the AP items after, but from what I've seen she really doesn't need more than this. Maybe a Zhonya's to act on Eve's global taunt thing, but I find it much more effective to build tanky so that once you've blown someone up you can actually survive to do a bunch more. Consider her lategame a lot like Katarina in that you have to wait a LONG time to enter a teamfight and you're a lot less safe, but your damage is a shit ton more reliable. Not sure how this goes at high elo, as was said, because I imagine if she is shut down especially hard early game she may not even be able to start roaming early like she wants, but I'm going to keep trying and perfect this. It is currently, I believe, the ONLY useful way to play her unless her base stats are updated for the jungle. Gunblade makes 0 sense to me if you're getting it for the slow. You already have a very strong slow on your R; why get gunblade? The stats on it are good, but it's extremely expensive and Eve is already starved for gold seeing how shitty her laning is. If I were to build Eve, I'd do something like philo/pick to get you some form of income and help with laning. From there grab a DFG, then build tanky AP. Gunblade doesn't really make sense as you already have a long range initiation slow from your ulti. Getting Rylais makes a lot more sense than Gunblade since it gives you a constant slow that allows you to chase down your target more effectively while making you tankier, which Eve desperately needs to be.
I can understand why it might seem useless with the slow on her R, but the slow isn't great, plus she's very easy to escape from despite her sticking power. It gives her extra burst which is always great and some really good sustain which, coupled with the mana regen passive eventually means you don't have to go back to buy very often. One of the most important things though I feel is on top of the utility Gunblade offers, she also gets AD with it, and since she has to be on top of a champion to get her full-burst combo off anyway, some extra AD for autos at 120% attack speed doesn't hurt at all.
Maybe I overexaggerated when I said Gunblade is core, since I haven't adapted/tested the build I was reading super extensively yet, but for SURE DFG is core. I'm sure some other tanky AP items work nicely as well; I think it's a combination of the Gunbalde's utility/sustain and the TIMING at which you pick up Cutlass taht makes it so strong. More tests inc though.
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On August 07 2012 07:03 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 05:54 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
EG at least have a boatload of sponsors that shower them with money and they're one of the most marketable SC2 teams with a strong fanbase. I'm not very familiar with Curse's operations (I think they do WoW stuff?) but there's no way they can be as profitable as EG. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/20/idUS192379 20-Jun-2012 GNW20120620Show nested quote +SAN FRANCISCO, June 20, 2012 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- According to Quantcast (June 2012) Curse Inc.'s traffic recently surpassed 21 million unique visitors per month worldwide. The company reaches almost 8 million unique visitors per month in the U.S. This milestone puts Curse in elite company as one of the largest gaming information outlets online. Show nested quote +Curse Inc. owns 59 sites dedicated to online games. The company's properties provide the tools and expertise core gamers need to succeed in virtual worlds. Curse produces a variety of news sites, databases, forums, wikis and a YouTube channel for popular online games like World of Warcraft, Minecraft, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Diablo and League of Legends amongst many others. It's hard to quantify who has more money, because both companies are privately held and do not disclose their financial information to the public. However, Curse is MUCH more than just a WoW website, and they are likely doing quite well. 
I take everything I have said about Curse back. This guy can do whatever he wants with his money. And this house is probably also a business investment since he can sell it again later. Sheesh. That's one loaded team.
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IPL Elite finals starting now DIG vs TD Bo5
http://www.twitch.tv/ipllol
Was watching Saint stream training with Jacky. Saint thinking Xerath OP. Fed Xerath Jacky just ults at enemy at tower and with DFG cooldown can ult again next wave. Enemy team chunked so much they have to leave tower or die next time Xerath ult up.
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On August 07 2012 12:00 BlackMagister wrote:IPL Elite finals starting now DIG vs TD Bo5 http://www.twitch.tv/ipllolWas watching Saint stream training with Jacky. Saint thinking Xerath OP. Fed Xerath Jacky just ults at enemy at tower and with DFG cooldown can ult again next wave. Enemy team chunked so much they have to leave tower or die next time Xerath ult up.
Jeez xerath ult 60 seconds at max rank. That's 36 seconds with max cdr. 6 seconds late to ult every wave of creeps. I never knew that.
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Xerath is pretty sick. Back before Doublelift joined CLG and they were doing the whole position swap thing, Chauster Xerath was the most terrifying thing to watch in like, ever.
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With blue buff Xerath ult is like 40-45 second cd. I'm actually a little surprised the Koreans haven't started playing him since he'd be really good at forcing people off towers/pushing.
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godjj carrying the fuck out of smash
edit: holy shit this is one of the most intense games solo queue games ive ever seen
SMASH PLZ RECORD THIS GAME SO I CAN WATCH LATER
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Just hit 6300 IP, solid AP char to buy? Preferably not a 6300 one but if it's worth it, was thinking maybe leblanc but have no idea how good she is (not even 30 yet) and I had a lot of fun playing oriana when she was free.
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Get ninja'd
Edit: damn, missed the edit
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On August 07 2012 12:32 Esoterikk wrote:
Just hit 6300 IP, solid AP char to buy? Preferably not a 6300 one but if it's worth it, was thinking maybe leblanc but have no idea how good she is (not even 30 yet) and I had a lot of fun playing oriana when she was free.
viktor
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On August 07 2012 12:32 Esoterikk wrote:
Just hit 6300 IP, solid AP char to buy? Preferably not a 6300 one but if it's worth it, was thinking maybe leblanc but have no idea how good she is (not even 30 yet) and I had a lot of fun playing oriana when she was free.
Have you played brand? He is sooo fun. I wouldn't buy anyone because some dewd on the forums likes him unless you've free weeked it though, it's the only way to make good buy decisions.
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Mwuahahahahaha =]
On August 07 2012 12:35 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 12:32 Esoterikk wrote:
Just hit 6300 IP, solid AP char to buy? Preferably not a 6300 one but if it's worth it, was thinking maybe leblanc but have no idea how good she is (not even 30 yet) and I had a lot of fun playing oriana when she was free. viktor
Good choice, he will be on free week tomorrow. In the near future they are fixing 2 of his augments so they are, you know, worth something.
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ninja'd
diana's jungle seems super safe O_o takes wolves with next to no damage and blue buff with barely any damage considering a meh leash
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