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Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
August 12 2012 20:30 GMT
#2941
Winrates? Time to bust out that a friend of mine is rocking a ~75% xin winrate at 1700 elo :D
:3
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
August 12 2012 20:38 GMT
#2942
Isn't Trinity better than IE as long as you can get at an early time? Like, if you're winning the lane, Trinity will make you win that much harder compared to IE.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
emraaa
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 21:29:42
August 12 2012 21:27 GMT
#2943
akali 80% at 2100 with 24:6
nobody knows how to play vs her ...
Sure as the dust that floats high and true, when movin through kashmir
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 12 2012 22:10 GMT
#2944
On August 13 2012 05:38 Dark_Chill wrote:
Isn't Trinity better than IE as long as you can get at an early time? Like, if you're winning the lane, Trinity will make you win that much harder compared to IE.

If you're doing good its fine, if not IE generally going to do more damage
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#2945
diana is the most conceptually challenged champion since riven imo
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
August 12 2012 23:17 GMT
#2946
The reason TF is sometimes better than IE is the smoother buildup and the utility. If you can afford BF > IE (winning the lane) then that will usually be better, as it is more raw damage, and the lack of utility is not as important with a level advantage.

That said, TF is just so good on Ez (and corki) that you should be getting it at some point in the early or midgame.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
August 12 2012 23:24 GMT
#2947
On August 13 2012 08:10 Navi wrote:
diana is the most conceptually challenged champion since riven imo

Her jungle sucks, imo. Your pre-6 ganks are some of the worst, the only thing you can really do against anyone competent is put on pressure and hope to land enough Qs to send them back. And once you hit 6, you need to put out enough damage to make going in worth it, which you can't do on a jungle salary for the most part.

And her build paths in the jungle are dumb. You can't get enough AP to be scary unless you're fed, otherwise you're stuck running a hybrid AS/tanky build like Merc's/Wit's/Aegis or something like that and not doing any damage or bringing any CC (i.e. being useless), or you build something like DRings and Kage and end up pushing back your big items to try and not be ignoreable.

She's ok mid, but if you really want an aggresive melee assassin mage, she does nothing that Akali or Kass can't do better. Her poke is the only really good thing about her, E is only really good if you can land it on 3+ people, which, if they're smart, you'll never do.

tl;dr: There are a million better junglers out there. Fast clear and shti ganks just makes her Shy but with no speed boost or innate tankiness.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 12 2012 23:29 GMT
#2948
ya'll talking about win loss rates


Vayne
W7 L19 26.9%
Kills: 3.8/game
Deaths: 5.3/game
Assists: 5.5/game
CS: 156.6/game

i swear i'm cursed when i play vayne
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 23:43:19
August 12 2012 23:42 GMT
#2949
On August 13 2012 08:24 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 08:10 Navi wrote:
diana is the most conceptually challenged champion since riven imo

Her jungle sucks, imo. Your pre-6 ganks are some of the worst, the only thing you can really do against anyone competent is put on pressure and hope to land enough Qs to send them back. And once you hit 6, you need to put out enough damage to make going in worth it, which you can't do on a jungle salary for the most part.

And her build paths in the jungle are dumb. You can't get enough AP to be scary unless you're fed, otherwise you're stuck running a hybrid AS/tanky build like Merc's/Wit's/Aegis or something like that and not doing any damage or bringing any CC (i.e. being useless), or you build something like DRings and Kage and end up pushing back your big items to try and not be ignoreable.

She's ok mid, but if you really want an aggresive melee assassin mage, she does nothing that Akali or Kass can't do better. Her poke is the only really good thing about her, E is only really good if you can land it on 3+ people, which, if they're smart, you'll never do.

tl;dr: There are a million better junglers out there. Fast clear and shti ganks just makes her Shy but with no speed boost or innate tankiness.


Diana mid has a lot of problems. Compared to Kassadin, Diana does not have a reliable ranged harass pre-6 and does not have a lot of mana. After level 6, Diana can all-in, but it's not as strong as Akali's and not as safe as Kassadin's. The only thing going for her in the mid lane is her very good lane shove and wraiths farm. Diana's roam is also mediocre.
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AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
August 12 2012 23:48 GMT
#2950
On August 13 2012 08:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 08:24 AwayFromLife wrote:
On August 13 2012 08:10 Navi wrote:
diana is the most conceptually challenged champion since riven imo

Her jungle sucks, imo. Your pre-6 ganks are some of the worst, the only thing you can really do against anyone competent is put on pressure and hope to land enough Qs to send them back. And once you hit 6, you need to put out enough damage to make going in worth it, which you can't do on a jungle salary for the most part.

And her build paths in the jungle are dumb. You can't get enough AP to be scary unless you're fed, otherwise you're stuck running a hybrid AS/tanky build like Merc's/Wit's/Aegis or something like that and not doing any damage or bringing any CC (i.e. being useless), or you build something like DRings and Kage and end up pushing back your big items to try and not be ignoreable.

She's ok mid, but if you really want an aggresive melee assassin mage, she does nothing that Akali or Kass can't do better. Her poke is the only really good thing about her, E is only really good if you can land it on 3+ people, which, if they're smart, you'll never do.

tl;dr: There are a million better junglers out there. Fast clear and shti ganks just makes her Shy but with no speed boost or innate tankiness.


Diana mid has a lot of problems. Compared to Kassadin, Diana does not have a reliable ranged harass pre-6 and does not have a lot of mana. After level 6, Diana can all-in, but it's not as strong as Akali's and not as safe as Kassadin's. The only thing going for her in the mid lane is her very good lane shove and wraiths farm. Diana's roam is also mediocre.

Yeah, I'm very underwhelmed with her. She has potential, and her burst when fed is great, but I see no real reason to play her when Akali mid exists or any number of other junglers are in the game.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 12 2012 23:52 GMT
#2951
I only have two champs with > 20 games played in ranked so I was kinda avoiding this.
Kayle
W/L/% 44/29/60%
Tristana
18/20/47%
I feel like I'm cursed when I play tristana. Just like kainzero with Vayne.

I play kayle in the jungle and top so I have a lot more games with her than other champs. She's a great lane bully top though you have to be careful of early ganks. She's good early ganking jungler but if the cards aren't right for a gank she can farm pretty well too.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 13 2012 00:02 GMT
#2952
On August 13 2012 08:10 Navi wrote:
diana is the most conceptually challenged champion since riven imo


What do you mean by this?
Bronze player stuck in platinum
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 13 2012 00:09 GMT
#2953
On August 13 2012 08:29 kainzero wrote:
ya'll talking about win loss rates


Vayne
W7 L19 26.9%
Kills: 3.8/game
Deaths: 5.3/game
Assists: 5.5/game
CS: 156.6/game

i swear i'm cursed when i play vayne


I don't play Vayne ranked, but she is my fav champ, except I also seem to suck with her.

Maybe I should try convincing teams to do a laneswap when I play vayne so I can get to BT safely...
Freeeeeeedom
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 13 2012 00:16 GMT
#2954
On August 13 2012 08:24 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 08:10 Navi wrote:
diana is the most conceptually challenged champion since riven imo

Her jungle sucks, imo. Your pre-6 ganks are some of the worst, the only thing you can really do against anyone competent is put on pressure and hope to land enough Qs to send them back. And once you hit 6, you need to put out enough damage to make going in worth it, which you can't do on a jungle salary for the most part.

And her build paths in the jungle are dumb. You can't get enough AP to be scary unless you're fed, otherwise you're stuck running a hybrid AS/tanky build like Merc's/Wit's/Aegis or something like that and not doing any damage or bringing any CC (i.e. being useless), or you build something like DRings and Kage and end up pushing back your big items to try and not be ignoreable.

She's ok mid, but if you really want an aggresive melee assassin mage, she does nothing that Akali or Kass can't do better. Her poke is the only really good thing about her, E is only really good if you can land it on 3+ people, which, if they're smart, you'll never do.

tl;dr: There are a million better junglers out there. Fast clear and shti ganks just makes her Shy but with no speed boost or innate tankiness.


You don't need a speed boost when you have a 900 range gap closer, and a shield on a 10 second cooldown is plenty of innate tankiness. People, including myself, thought Shyvana was worthless as a jungler when she came out. Then she basically became the meta.

I think Wit's End is a bad item for Diana, and that it might be part of your trouble with the tankier build path. The stats and passive on Wit's End don't scale off each other, whereas tank/CDR/AP does. It's for that reason that the most successful builds appear to be variants of Reverie/Grail + FH.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 00:22:26
August 13 2012 00:20 GMT
#2955
^I knew shyvana was op from day 1

Dat bitch outdps's me through fiddle drain

Edit: I just realized sunfire cape actually synergizes with fiddlesticks
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 13 2012 01:01 GMT
#2956
Diana's win rate is pretty high right now at 53%. But honestly I think this is because a lot of players (on my level) do not know how to play against her. I once even had someone picking LeBlanc against me... which resulted me easily crushing her.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 13 2012 01:01 GMT
#2957
Brand and graves are my best most played with 75ish% winrates. keke. All this talk about gragas earlier however kinda makes me want to try him out more in ranked lol.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
August 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#2958
On August 13 2012 10:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Diana's win rate is pretty high right now at 53%. But honestly I think this is because a lot of players (on my level) do not know how to play against her. I once even had someone picking LeBlanc against me... which resulted me easily crushing her.


I'm pretty sure Leblanc should destroy Diana mid... If Diana goes in to kill Leblanc she can just EQRW since your a melee.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 13 2012 01:45 GMT
#2959
Ok what is the combo for fizz? Is it E-Q-R and then W him down if he lives? Or do you Q him first?
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
August 13 2012 01:49 GMT
#2960
On August 13 2012 10:45 IMoperator wrote:
Ok what is the combo for fizz? Is it E-Q-R and then W him down if he lives? Or do you Q him first?

I thought it was R-Activate W-Q-E.
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