EPT[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page 90
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zulu_nation8
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On July 27 2012 14:50 zulu_nation8 wrote: man why didnt anyone tell me before mid is the easiest role to gain elos with So long as you don't let the game go late. Then you have to rely on your carry being stronger than theres while you fall off usually. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Ugh I feel really shitty. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 27 2012 15:54 HazMat wrote: Wow Smash I apologize. I just revealed the top lane Nunu secrets on Saint's stream. Next FOTM inc. Ugh I feel really shitty. 100 Pushups on stream as punishment, go! | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Shake too shy to show his pretty face. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
It's ok he can wear one of those mexican wrestler masks while doing it. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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zulu_nation8
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bmn
886 Posts
On July 27 2012 16:03 zulu_nation8 wrote: what's the core, chalice FH? Athene's Glacial, possibly with hextech before that. See also nunu thread. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
I’m not even sure how they’re getting the “all time” stats considering the overview numbers don’t match up to anything. For example, under overview it says Udyr is my most played with 10 games at a 40% winrate. Under the champions tab, it says I haven’t played Udyr in the past month (which is correct) but when I change it to track for all time it says Udyr is my most played with 11 games at 45% winrate. O_O Checking LoLking shows Udyr as my third most played with 63 games and 57% winrate, which matches up with the game client and sounds about right. I already sent them a support email yesterday, but...no response yet. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
What I've been doing so far is: R>Q>E>W, 1 in E at 2. 21/9/0 MPen/AR/MR/AP Ignite/Flash Boots -> Sorcs -> Guise -> Abyssal, Deathcap, Hourglass, Rylai's, Void Staff Basically I don't care about the always recommended slow (Rylai's, Cutlass, Gunblade) to keep people in my ult. Rylai's is usually the last item I'd get. Instead I aim for maximizing my EQ burst, wait until my enemies took some damage and start hopping around on their corpses. I intend to use R mostly for harrass, not so much for killing. Now here's the thing: Hopping around works better if you hop harder and faster. Q gets 35 damage and a bounce per level, cooldown goes down by 0.5 (from 9 to 7). E gets 40 damage per level, cooldown goes from 10 to 6 in steps of 1. W passively buffs Q and R with 8 to 24 damage per hit, cooldown from 20 to 12, damage reduction on E from 15% to 35%. All of this is so good. Normally people max Q for harrass by bouncing off a minion onto a champion (10% reduced damage per hit). But E hits harder. And against the current midlaners I feel the harrass through bouncing doesn't work all that great (long range, quick waveclearing). Then again Q is your only farming aid (not that it's good, you need loads of AP to oneshot minions). And then there's W. 35% reduced damage is nuts, actually. That's half an Alistar ult and pretty much the same as Garen's Courage. But the damage increase is rather small (+4 on Q and up to +40 on R if you hit all 10 daggers). I definitely think I should be more flexible with my skills though. Like if I can't harrass well with Q I think I should switch to maxing E. Maybe 3 levels in Q then E... About my items: I tried Gunblade, I tried WotA (someone said there was someone who does it, but gosh I can't stand it, so weak). I think straight AP/MPen is the best I can do. Flat MPen works nicely because I usually hop for the damage dealers who rarely get enough MR to make Void Staff stronger than Flat MPen items. TL;DR: Rambling about my Kat build, trying to inspire some discussion so that I can identify possible optimizations. Also what to do with the Kat champ thread? Bump? | ||
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IMoperator
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 27 2012 16:39 IMoperator wrote: I have an honest question here, what's the benefit of mixing up your rune types instead of just having them all of one type? Like for my AP runes, I have pure AP/level runes and that's it. No mpen ones, no mana/mana regen etc. I have something like 70 extra AP at the end of the game, and that's like a whole 'nother item! Slot-efficiency. Different rune types are more efficient at providing certain stats (e.g MPen reds are more efficient than yellow or blue, AP blues are more efficient than red or yellow, etc.). So when you have a bunch of stats that contribute to a similar goal (in your case AP-based magic damage), it's more efficient to get the most slot-efficient runes for each rune type, rather than just blindly stacking the one stat regardless of efficiency. In your example, the higher efficiency of MPen reds compared to AP/level means that using MPen reds instead of AP/level should translate into higher damage at all stages of the game. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 27 2012 16:39 IMoperator wrote: I have an honest question here, what's the benefit of mixing up your rune types instead of just having them all of one type? Like for my AP runes, I have pure AP/level runes and that's it. No mpen ones, no mana/mana regen etc. I have something like 70 extra AP at the end of the game, and that's like a whole 'nother item! to play vs specific matchups blah blah, but mostly to give you an advantage early where the runes are gonna play a big part. also alot of the runes arent slot efficient outside of say red (they could give a bunch of stats in red then next to nothing in others) so thats why usually i think | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 27 2012 16:36 spinesheath wrote: So I've been playing a bunch of Katarina lately. I've been thinking about maximizing certain aspects of my builds/skill order, but our Kat thread is way outdated. + Show Spoiler + What I've been doing so far is: R>Q>E>W, 1 in E at 2. 21/9/0 MPen/AR/MR/AP Ignite/Flash Boots -> Sorcs -> Guise -> Abyssal, Deathcap, Hourglass, Rylai's, Void Staff Basically I don't care about the always recommended slow (Rylai's, Cutlass, Gunblade) to keep people in my ult. Rylai's is usually the last item I'd get. Instead I aim for maximizing my EQ burst, wait until my enemies took some damage and start hopping around on their corpses. I intend to use R mostly for harrass, not so much for killing. Now here's the thing: Hopping around works better if you hop harder and faster. Q gets 35 damage and a bounce per level, cooldown goes down by 0.5 (from 9 to 7). E gets 40 damage per level, cooldown goes from 10 to 6 in steps of 1. W passively buffs Q and R with 8 to 24 damage per hit, cooldown from 20 to 12, damage reduction on E from 15% to 35%. All of this is so good. Normally people max Q for harrass by bouncing off a minion onto a champion (10% reduced damage per hit). But E hits harder. And against the current midlaners I feel the harrass through bouncing doesn't work all that great (long range, quick waveclearing). Then again Q is your only farming aid (not that it's good, you need loads of AP to oneshot minions). And then there's W. 35% reduced damage is nuts, actually. That's half an Alistar ult and pretty much the same as Garen's Courage. But the damage increase is rather small (+4 on Q and up to +40 on R if you hit all 10 daggers). I definitely think I should be more flexible with my skills though. Like if I can't harrass well with Q I think I should switch to maxing E. Maybe 3 levels in Q then E... About my items: I tried Gunblade, I tried WotA (someone said there was someone who does it, but gosh I can't stand it, so weak). I think straight AP/MPen is the best I can do. Flat MPen works nicely because I usually hop for the damage dealers who rarely get enough MR to make Void Staff stronger than Flat MPen items. TL;DR: Rambling about my Kat build, trying to inspire some discussion so that I can identify possible optimizations. Also what to do with the Kat champ thread? Bump? Just post this in the Kat thread, it's okay to bump it. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Also, has anyone noticed a bug where right before an enemy shows up on your minimap, you'll see them for a split second somewhere else on your minimap? It's hard to explain. Just started happening to me and my friend this patch. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 27 2012 17:07 HazMat wrote: Lee Sin op. Especially if you don't use a skin. Also, has anyone noticed a bug where right before an enemy shows up on your minimap, you'll see them for a split second somewhere else on your minimap? It's hard to explain. Just started happening to me and my friend this patch. Yeah I've had that for a while, see enemy jungler at wraiths, I'm like he's at wraiths all of sudden he's top in less than 1second. Always see them at wraiths when it happens, well sometimes at wolves too. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On July 27 2012 17:26 JackDino wrote: Yeah I've had that for a while, see enemy jungler at wraiths, I'm like he's at wraiths all of sudden he's top in less than 1second. Always see them at wraiths when it happens, well sometimes at wolves too. Stealth change, wards were giving too much information, so now wards occasionally lie to you to balance it out. | ||
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