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On July 22 2012 00:43 sylverfyre wrote:
This conversation has me more and more tempted to set up a site that runs a tier list pokemon style - no opinions, just using data of percentage picked/banned.
Since there's 100 champions right now, and in a typical draft pick game you have 16 picks or bans here's some arbitrary thresholds for the tiers. Obviously the numbers here need adjusting, but it gets the idea across.
Uber tier - 75%+ picked or banned - the "must pick-or-bans" (Currently stuff like Nautilus that you almost always see one side either pick it or ban it.)
OU Tier - 20-75% picked or banned - the chamipions you see often, but not all the time.
UU Tier - 5-20% picked or banned - rarely seen, but they come out of the woodwork every once in a rare while because of a specific player liking the champ or to fill a specific niche.
NU Tier - <5% picked or banned - almost never seen picked.
These tier cutoffs would need to be adjusted, but my general idea is to put together a database of competitive game info where you have pick/ban info for each game, so you can run a simple query to see what %P/B each champion has to organize a tier list like this.
I also wouldn't mind thinking of a way to weight the data so that bans or first picks mean something slightly different than last picks, but I'm not sure what kind of algorithm I'd use for that.
The thing is this kind of data is not particularly useful.
What's considered "OP" is largely a product of the playing/drafting styles at work between teams, rather than some arbitrary measure of raw strength of each champion. Drafting styles vary so widely around the world, or even between players on a given team (arranged or solo queue) that there's pretty much no real usable constancy to trying and aggregating all the data. A champion that's picked/banned in 75%+ of games does not guarantee in ANY particular game that the champion is worth a ban or even a pick.
Paraphrasing a piece of old wisdom that Uta once said about Elementz' tier list: "if you're playing at the level where you actually need the list, the list isn't going to be very useful to you".
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Should I even worry about trying to gank Shen at all? It seems nearly impossible if he has Dash up unless you have uber hard CC.
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That's such a general question. It all depends on his position, wards, you, and the top laner
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On July 22 2012 03:58 OutlaW- wrote:
That's such a general question. It all depends on his position, wards, you, and the top laner
If he was at your turret with no wards then it hink it'd be worth it, but mid lane or if he has a ward may aswell not bother, cause you aren't gonna get to him
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Btw whats that weird robotic voice on OddOnes stream? Is it the Nunu skin? Reminded me instantly of the Tesie vs Incontrol video clips.
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That would be Nunu's legendary skin, Nunu Bot
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On July 22 2012 04:27 Celial wrote:
Btw whats that weird robotic voice on OddOnes stream? Is it the Nunu skin? Reminded me instantly of the Tesie vs Incontrol video clips.
It also has the best laugh to spam after Singed's laugh too
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On July 22 2012 03:00 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 02:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 21 2012 15:40 Frolossus wrote:On July 21 2012 15:39 IMoperator wrote:
Trying to play trist as an ad carry, and I can't seem to do well with her. Early/mid game it seems like she does no damage to anybody, and I can't harass in lane very well (even with her long range) and I don't get any kills. I've been going boots/pots start into 2 dorans into IE, is this a good build? any help would be appreciated. max W first and lane with blitz/leona/alistar ^Blitz is just a good support in general, though Tristana's W does go nicely with his pull/pop up. My friend/duo who plays Tristana as a carry complains about her damage falling off a bit midgame, but if you can get her farmed up early game or afk farmed through midgame, she becomes an absolute terror lategame with 700 range. Err... I think the only ADC with more AA range initially than you are Ashe, Varus and Cait. Around 8-11 (depending on enemy) you can start really abusing your range. I don't feel like Tris really needs boots first b/c she has her W as a quick closer/escape already. Plus, she has prettybad base attack. Early on you're going to rely on your support quite a bit to make plays for good trades b/c you're going to have lower atk dmg than the other ADC unless you have better runes. My friend usually starts Doran's with heal/flash and I take faerie/3green with heal/exhaust as Blitz support. I'm not 100% sure but I think after that he gets just gets boots and BF, then rushes IE and Beserker's. Are we lacking ignite? Yes we are. Still, given the gap closers in the Tris/Blitz combo plus the effect from Tris's E, ignite seems okay to skip. starting doran's blade, ring or shield is bad, in every lane, with every hero. If you keep winning with it eventually you will reach a point where your opponents start abusing it and you'll have to switch it up.
Generalised advice is pretty bad, too. Doran's start riven is strong and beats people in most matchups.
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I have never seen that skin in any of my games before. As a stream listener, that shit is SUPER annoying. Imho.
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On July 22 2012 04:34 greggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 03:00 UniversalSnip wrote:On July 22 2012 02:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 21 2012 15:40 Frolossus wrote:On July 21 2012 15:39 IMoperator wrote:
Trying to play trist as an ad carry, and I can't seem to do well with her. Early/mid game it seems like she does no damage to anybody, and I can't harass in lane very well (even with her long range) and I don't get any kills. I've been going boots/pots start into 2 dorans into IE, is this a good build? any help would be appreciated. max W first and lane with blitz/leona/alistar ^Blitz is just a good support in general, though Tristana's W does go nicely with his pull/pop up. My friend/duo who plays Tristana as a carry complains about her damage falling off a bit midgame, but if you can get her farmed up early game or afk farmed through midgame, she becomes an absolute terror lategame with 700 range. Err... I think the only ADC with more AA range initially than you are Ashe, Varus and Cait. Around 8-11 (depending on enemy) you can start really abusing your range. I don't feel like Tris really needs boots first b/c she has her W as a quick closer/escape already. Plus, she has prettybad base attack. Early on you're going to rely on your support quite a bit to make plays for good trades b/c you're going to have lower atk dmg than the other ADC unless you have better runes. My friend usually starts Doran's with heal/flash and I take faerie/3green with heal/exhaust as Blitz support. I'm not 100% sure but I think after that he gets just gets boots and BF, then rushes IE and Beserker's. Are we lacking ignite? Yes we are. Still, given the gap closers in the Tris/Blitz combo plus the effect from Tris's E, ignite seems okay to skip. starting doran's blade, ring or shield is bad, in every lane, with every hero. If you keep winning with it eventually you will reach a point where your opponents start abusing it and you'll have to switch it up. Generalised advice is pretty bad, too. Doran's start riven is strong and beats people in most matchups.
have fun 2 vs 1ing your lane
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On July 22 2012 03:54 Requizen wrote:
Should I even worry about trying to gank Shen at all? It seems nearly impossible if he has Dash up unless you have uber hard CC.
I like to gank lanes level 2 even when I won't get a kill but will get free damage.
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On July 22 2012 04:34 greggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 03:00 UniversalSnip wrote:On July 22 2012 02:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 21 2012 15:40 Frolossus wrote:On July 21 2012 15:39 IMoperator wrote:
Trying to play trist as an ad carry, and I can't seem to do well with her. Early/mid game it seems like she does no damage to anybody, and I can't harass in lane very well (even with her long range) and I don't get any kills. I've been going boots/pots start into 2 dorans into IE, is this a good build? any help would be appreciated. max W first and lane with blitz/leona/alistar ^Blitz is just a good support in general, though Tristana's W does go nicely with his pull/pop up. My friend/duo who plays Tristana as a carry complains about her damage falling off a bit midgame, but if you can get her farmed up early game or afk farmed through midgame, she becomes an absolute terror lategame with 700 range. Err... I think the only ADC with more AA range initially than you are Ashe, Varus and Cait. Around 8-11 (depending on enemy) you can start really abusing your range. I don't feel like Tris really needs boots first b/c she has her W as a quick closer/escape already. Plus, she has prettybad base attack. Early on you're going to rely on your support quite a bit to make plays for good trades b/c you're going to have lower atk dmg than the other ADC unless you have better runes. My friend usually starts Doran's with heal/flash and I take faerie/3green with heal/exhaust as Blitz support. I'm not 100% sure but I think after that he gets just gets boots and BF, then rushes IE and Beserker's. Are we lacking ignite? Yes we are. Still, given the gap closers in the Tris/Blitz combo plus the effect from Tris's E, ignite seems okay to skip. starting doran's blade, ring or shield is bad, in every lane, with every hero. If you keep winning with it eventually you will reach a point where your opponents start abusing it and you'll have to switch it up. Generalised advice is pretty bad, too. Doran's start riven is strong and beats people in most matchups.
Eh. no dblade start on riven is pretty bad and against anyone competent you should do pretty poorly, even without jungle pressure.
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On July 22 2012 04:53 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 04:34 greggy wrote:On July 22 2012 03:00 UniversalSnip wrote:On July 22 2012 02:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 21 2012 15:40 Frolossus wrote:On July 21 2012 15:39 IMoperator wrote:
Trying to play trist as an ad carry, and I can't seem to do well with her. Early/mid game it seems like she does no damage to anybody, and I can't harass in lane very well (even with her long range) and I don't get any kills. I've been going boots/pots start into 2 dorans into IE, is this a good build? any help would be appreciated. max W first and lane with blitz/leona/alistar ^Blitz is just a good support in general, though Tristana's W does go nicely with his pull/pop up. My friend/duo who plays Tristana as a carry complains about her damage falling off a bit midgame, but if you can get her farmed up early game or afk farmed through midgame, she becomes an absolute terror lategame with 700 range. Err... I think the only ADC with more AA range initially than you are Ashe, Varus and Cait. Around 8-11 (depending on enemy) you can start really abusing your range. I don't feel like Tris really needs boots first b/c she has her W as a quick closer/escape already. Plus, she has prettybad base attack. Early on you're going to rely on your support quite a bit to make plays for good trades b/c you're going to have lower atk dmg than the other ADC unless you have better runes. My friend usually starts Doran's with heal/flash and I take faerie/3green with heal/exhaust as Blitz support. I'm not 100% sure but I think after that he gets just gets boots and BF, then rushes IE and Beserker's. Are we lacking ignite? Yes we are. Still, given the gap closers in the Tris/Blitz combo plus the effect from Tris's E, ignite seems okay to skip. starting doran's blade, ring or shield is bad, in every lane, with every hero. If you keep winning with it eventually you will reach a point where your opponents start abusing it and you'll have to switch it up. Generalised advice is pretty bad, too. Doran's start riven is strong and beats people in most matchups. Eh. no dblade start on riven is pretty bad and against anyone competent you should do pretty poorly, even without jungle pressure.
Goldfather ( The author of the most detailed Riven guide ever) disagrees with you and believes that it can give you a huge advantage over certain laners when played correctly.
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It's really only good when you're against a champ you'd smash anyway.
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idunno, i think dblade is a great choice as adc if you can depend on your support. given tristana's low base stats, i think its a very good idea to start one of these to help against the enemy adc. it'll let you last hit easier, trade a little better and give you a smidge more sustain.
in the end, itll set you back a total of 238 gold from your core build, which is less than the cost of a red elixir. IMO the advantage it gives you for the first 10 minutes is definitely worth it.
and to trot out a really tired argument: then why does everyone get dblades still?
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Actually starting dblade gets you harassed more, you can't harass as much yourself and you're going to get pushed out of lane because you have no sustain. GL even trying to trade with someone who has boots.
Is there any place to report annoying account sharers? Customer support?
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lol so i had a so called accountg/elobooster in my team today ( Im about 1700) and hes was not even shy to post the link of his eloboost thread from another website. Not sure if I should report that account.
Anyone knows why Mua Thai Lee siin is available o NA but now EUW.
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its also easyier to hit somebody with skillshots when he doesn't have boots and some gankers are very hard to escape without boots.
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If you start D-Blade/Ring against someone with Boots+3 they are going to force a trade and then heal up and force a trade again. Unless you're in, I dunno, Soraka lane, it's probably going to go badly. And even then they might just all-in you on their 3rd hpot after continual harass. No boots also exposes you more to ganks against junglers who started boots. I really don't advise it.
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