[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page 29

On July 22 2012 01:34 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
The pokemon tier list has the advantage of using things like base stats to help sort though, and it was still pretty subjective to a degree. Things like Wobbuffet, Palkia and Garchomp distort the meta so much that they literally become the meta. Smogon often ran tests to subjectively determine the borderline between Uber and OP. Such a method might not work for League of Legends, especially since the designers of the game can directly readjust balance whereas in Pokemon Nintendo doesn't really go back and chance base stats, move pools, etc outside of releasing a new product.

That being said however, I'm assuming you're suggesting a completely impartial method of data analytics. My guess is you want to take every single game played on LoL, filter it by Elo/game mode, win/loss, ban/picked percentages and then come to a conclusion that way. It's be difficult but not impossible. Iirc LoLKing has some data on ban/picks already. Perhaps that could be a starting point? You'd likely want some method to create a weighted average statistic that could be used for direction comparison in order to rank champions.

If you're interested, Riot already logs the details of everything players do and store the data in massive Data Warehouses which can be called upon by Design, Marketing, Balance, etc. Originally production slaves would ETL the necessary data to a MySQL instance and then export to Excel for reporting. Obviously this doesn't scale well when you have a playerbase larger than World of Warcraft spanning multiple servers. Their current system uses Adobe Hadoop as their framework. That lets them run far more efficient queries and ETL data from MySQL slaves. Reporting output is now done using Tableau as well. Of course, the data is private. That being said however...

On July 22 2012 01:40 Hakanfrog wrote:
Is ziggs any good? Been thinking about buying him because of the sale.

On July 21 2012 18:20 JackDino wrote:
Saint was kicked from CLG because he slept with bekkah, back in korea he was the only one who actually wanted to practice.
No one else wanted to practice, guess why they lost in korea.

On July 22 2012 02:16 arb wrote:

Whoa I thought that was a joke.

what a god

On July 21 2012 15:40 Frolossus wrote:

max W first and lane with blitz/leona/alistar

On July 22 2012 01:39 Slayer91 wrote:
Stop being an attention whore, scip. Nobody responding to it generally means it was a good post. Look at how many people respodned to PrinceXizor's posts.

Also I thought your post was although well put together mostly a thing of "Well hecarim is actually doing more damage here BUT IT DOESNT MATTER SKARNERS A BEAST". I think skarner is way better than hecarim and you convinced me than hecarmi isn't actually that bad. The thing is skarner has great throughput in a fight because he has sticking power, teamfight sustain in the form of a shield (hecarims W much worse after the initital burst of damage on your initiate) as well as doing more DPS because of the shield and CDR benefits him much more because of the passive. The reason hecarim is good is because his ganks come from such an absurdly long range and he has pretty good burst in a teamfight with Q W E and R but after that he's much much weaker than skarner is.

On July 22 2012 02:02 Scip wrote:
wait wait how is Hecarim doing more damage? I'd say that you undersetimate how important slow/movement speed is to doing damage. had you not played tanky mofos.
What are the items you propose on Hecarim? I can guarantee you, if you build quite some damage, you can do the same damn thing on Skarner equally well except you would feel really bad because you are not utilizing everything Skarner has to offer.

On July 22 2012 02:37 ticklishmusic wrote:


^Blitz is just a good support in general, though Tristana's W does go nicely with his pull/pop up.

My friend/duo who plays Tristana as a carry complains about her damage falling off a bit midgame, but if you can get her farmed up early game or afk farmed through midgame, she becomes an absolute terror lategame with 700 range. Err... I think the only ADC with more AA range initially than you are Ashe, Varus and Cait. Around 8-11 (depending on enemy) you can start really abusing your range.

I don't feel like Tris really needs boots first b/c she has her W as a quick closer/escape already. Plus, she has prettybad base attack. Early on you're going to rely on your support quite a bit to make plays for good trades b/c you're going to have lower atk dmg than the other ADC unless you have better runes. My friend usually starts Doran's with heal/flash and I take faerie/3green with heal/exhaust as Blitz support. I'm not 100% sure but I think after that he gets just gets boots and BF, then rushes IE and Beserker's.

Are we lacking ignite? Yes we are. Still, given the gap closers in the Tris/Blitz combo plus the effect from Tris's E, ignite seems okay to skip.

On July 22 2012 03:00 UniversalSnip wrote:

starting doran's blade, ring or shield is bad, in every lane, with every hero. If you keep winning with it eventually you will reach a point where your opponents start abusing it and you'll have to switch it up.

On July 22 2012 01:34 Scip wrote:
God damn guys, I spent about an hour on that post and only about 6 responses? No wonder most posts in this thread are single sentences, sigh.