EPT[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page 19
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MooMooMugi
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:12 TheYango wrote: New Xin seems to use CDR really well though. I would think a build that gets CDR more aggressively would have a lot of effectiveness. Yeah I think boots -> 1/2 dorans -> bruta -> glacial -> w/e will be pretty damn good. You really have to choose if you want damage or suvivability (assassin vs bruiser) when building him though. He can really only do one or the other effectively | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On a similar note, I was jungling Nunu (badly) in an inhouse last night, someone I was playing with (sorry, can't remember your name >.<) said to go Philo/Boots/HoG and to not get Reverie, since the gp10 would really help as the game went on. I thought the general idea was to upgrade it asap, or at least once it's paid itself off? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:19 Requizen wrote: Seems like a lot of people are still getting HoG even after the nerf. Dunno, it's still good, I guess? Or maybe people just haven't changed. What "a lot of people" are doing is almost never a good indicator of what's good or bad. On July 21 2012 01:20 Ryuu314 wrote: Randuin's is super expensive but the active/passive slow is really good. I'd probably just go Frozen Heart + Bruta/Ghostblade on Xin for cdr tho since HoG is pretty crappy now. The most awkward thing about Frozen for Xin is that it invests so heavily in resists when he really needs HP-based survivability more because of his ult. I dunno, I wish there were more Kindlegem based items that could suit him. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:26 sylverfyre wrote: Still gonna get HoG when Randuin's is a good choice (which it often is) No longer getting it if I don't want randuins (I'm still not sold on Iron Solari Locket.) Again, if I'm getting Randuin's I'd get Warden's first, finish the other half in 1 go, rather than putting myself in a stats-per-gold handicap for the time period where I'm holding HoG. Honestly, Warden's gives a large portion of the good stuff that you actually buy Randuin's FOR (the passive slow on being attacked). | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:23 TheYango wrote: What "a lot of people" are doing is almost never a good indicator of what's good or bad. The most awkward thing about Frozen for Xin is that it invests so heavily in resists when he really needs HP-based survivability more because of his ult. I dunno, I wish there were more Kindlegem based items that could suit him. Yeah, that's why I was looking at Shurelia's. Gives you an excuse to double gp10 early too. Core of Shurelia + Brutalizer + Randuins? High HP, acceptable Armor levels to back it up (the HP alone should make you relatively safe from AP burst, unless you're up against a double AP team, in which case you can toss in something like Hexdrinker or a naked negatron to SUPER EVENTUALLY build into a FON) and high CDR - with the CDR mastery from defense tree you'll be near max. After ghostblade finishes, you'll be maxed as long as you're level 13+. You could triple GP5 like this if you really WANT to, though I would rather have the brutalizer to bring killing power - avarice's total lack of useful standalone stats is pretty obnoxious. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
Edit: I'm thinking something like Double Doran, Brutalizer, Kindlegem, Ghostblade, Zeke's. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:37 sylverfyre wrote: I think I'd rather have Shurelia than Zeke's. It gives you something that can be useful for a disengage (something xin DESPERATELY needs) or to solidify your teamfight initiation power. I just don't think you need the movement speed for engaging with Xin Zhao in a lot of situations (very few actually) and the philo isn't needed by any means in lane and only slows down your damage. Edit: Obviously it's good with something for disengaging, but I'm not sure it's worth it. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:39 EquilasH wrote: I just don't think you need the movement speed for engaging with Xin Zhao in a lot of situations (very few actually) and the philo isn't needed by any means in lane and only slows down your damage. The movement speed definitely is potentially useful for smoothing out your initiation (especially given that E only has 600 range now). You're right that Shurelya's wastes a lot on unnecessary regen stats. | ||
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
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ManyCookies
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:43 TheYango wrote: The movement speed definitely is potentially useful for smoothing out your initiation (especially given that E only has 600 range now). You're right that Shurelya's wastes a lot on unnecessary regen stats. I don't know how cost effective Zeke's actually is, but it just seems like none of the stats on Zeke's would go to waste, unlike Shurelya's. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:19 Requizen wrote: Seems like a lot of people are still getting HoG even after the nerf. Dunno, it's still good, I guess? Or maybe people just haven't changed. On a similar note, I was jungling Nunu (badly) in an inhouse last night, someone I was playing with (sorry, can't remember your name >.<) said to go Philo/Boots/HoG and to not get Reverie, since the gp10 would really help as the game went on. I thought the general idea was to upgrade it asap, or at least once it's paid itself off? Still really dont think its that bad of an item, if you plan on getting randuins(which personally i do on 99% of my jungles) getting it early is still good, i mean lets buy a gold per 10 item 30 minutes into the game cause that makes sense right | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:44 Leonite7 wrote: Quick question which should I buy Sejauni or Hecarim? Looking for a good jungler I can carry with. I'd go for Hecarim over Sejuani, he has really nice initiation + jungle ganks, Sejuani is just in a bad spot right now ._. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 21 2012 01:52 arb wrote: Still really dont think its that bad of an item, if you plan on getting randuins(which personally i do on 99% of my jungles) getting it early is still good, i mean lets buy a gold per 10 item 30 minutes into the game cause that makes sense right The thing is, if you go Warden's->Randuin's and never actually carry the HoG, you don't care about the gp10 component, because Randuin's pulls its weight right away, as does Warden's. The small amount of gold that HoG generates does not outweigh the fact that it's behind where it should be for cost-effectiveness for a good 10 minutes, and is 300 gold behind where it should be the moment you buy it. Your items being 300 gold behind the curve matters a lot when you have only 2k gold worth of items. Having 500 extra gold when you have 8k gold in items matters much less. | ||
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