• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:27
CET 14:27
KST 22:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1815Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises2Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
I would like to say something about StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ What monitor do you use for playing Remastered? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Ghostwriting Services for Authors and Businesses The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1156 users

[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page…

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 121 122 123 124 125 137 Next
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 30 2012 17:29 GMT
#2441
yes that one game proves youre right
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 17:31:24
July 30 2012 17:30 GMT
#2442
On July 31 2012 02:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 02:02 greggy wrote:
isn't the problem with revive that you get to use it about twice all game, if that, and you're playing with 1 summoner all early game?

Depends how long the game goes. In bot games I die too much on my smurf and end up not having any death downtime with revive.

I've asked people to lane with them, and recently I switched lanes with a tryndamere who was losing lane to jax. He was only 0-2 or something and just left lane so I didn't want top to go down and stayed there the rest of the lane phase. Enemy Jax was 2 levels ahead of me (6/7 when I arrived) all game and had 2/3 dorans and a long sword and boots, and in a mirror matchup I couldn't trade, but jax farms like a beast under tower if you're used to him so I stayed even and didn't die after that. Tryndamere started doing well in ganks on the other lane, and jungling well. After a certain level, smite just doesn't do much for jungle sustain.

There are other options than just taxing a lane. Not always possible. Skarner isn't going to be switching with the AD carry or mid to lane instead of them, but perhaps you could ask mid and bot to switch.

Perhaps try these out.

Also I learned what a big deal levels and items were. I lost trades to someone with almost no mana and while under my own tower.

Also does anyone else do demand projections?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 17:31 GMT
#2443
no man i'm agreeing with you
It's your boy Guzma!
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 30 2012 17:33 GMT
#2444
yaya i agree with him too
GANDHISAUCE
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 30 2012 17:42 GMT
#2445
On July 31 2012 02:30 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 02:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 31 2012 02:02 greggy wrote:
isn't the problem with revive that you get to use it about twice all game, if that, and you're playing with 1 summoner all early game?

Depends how long the game goes. In bot games I die too much on my smurf and end up not having any death downtime with revive.

I've asked people to lane with them, and recently I switched lanes with a tryndamere who was losing lane to jax. He was only 0-2 or something and just left lane so I didn't want top to go down and stayed there the rest of the lane phase. Enemy Jax was 2 levels ahead of me (6/7 when I arrived) all game and had 2/3 dorans and a long sword and boots, and in a mirror matchup I couldn't trade, but jax farms like a beast under tower if you're used to him so I stayed even and didn't die after that. Tryndamere started doing well in ganks on the other lane, and jungling well. After a certain level, smite just doesn't do much for jungle sustain.

There are other options than just taxing a lane. Not always possible. Skarner isn't going to be switching with the AD carry or mid to lane instead of them, but perhaps you could ask mid and bot to switch.

Perhaps try these out.

Also I learned what a big deal levels and items were. I lost trades to someone with almost no mana and while under my own tower.

Also does anyone else do demand projections?

Me O.o why?
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
July 30 2012 17:43 GMT
#2446
single handedly carrying is very difficult. i need one other person to not be brain dead. i play skarner and shyvana as my junglers usually in ranked (sejuani sometimes also, but she is even more dependent on having a competent team mate). with skarner especially you can carry easily. triforce wits randuins fon. shyvana can carry early and mid but late she kind of drops off. and if sejuani gets fed it can be hilarious.

stealing cs is a case by case basis. if possible i try to push down top turret asap (not always feasible) so that i can farm that lane when appropriate. if someone shows they are capable of doing shit by themselves i dont say gtfo when they steal my jungle camps, otherwise i say gtfo. gank taxes also apply on a case by case basis. if the enemy minion wave is bigger then ours then i will take a few, especially if smite is up.

there are always the games where u start out by ganking top, and get a kill. then you go mid and force a flash. then bot lane starts crying for a gank so you go down there and do what you can. then top lane starts whining. at that point i just mute everyone. and in the games where i do more actively steal cs (push lanes when ppl go back etc) i dont feel bad about it, because jungling is a thankless job. i played sejuani over the weekend and was 11-1-18, the other team surrendered when i had 4500 hp and randuins and fh. my team said i sucked the whole game and wanted the other team to report me. the other team was like wtf lol?
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 30 2012 17:47 GMT
#2447
A jungler who clears fast and grabs a lane's creepwave between clears will actually acrue more gold than a normal solo lane. It's entirely possible, even simple, for a jungler to get carry levels of farm.

The problem is entirely that it's a complete reversal of solo queue culture. You're never going to convince anyone to do it until some big team wins three consecutive tournaments with that technique.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 17:47 GMT
#2448
nah man jungles can't carry

you just don't know


On topic, I really don't see a lot of Sej's anymore. You think you would, since she's a second string Naut, and Naut is banned in nearly every game you see anymore. I never picked her up, since a few people I was playing with at the time bought her and I never got a chance to try. I might now, but I think she needs some buffs before she's on the level.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 17:51:25
July 30 2012 17:48 GMT
#2449
http://i.imgur.com/QDLB6.jpg

looks like something that Smash would like

EDIT: Graggas, Ryze, Alistar, Irelia, Karthus, Zilean, Caitlyn, Corki, Tryndamere, Sejuani for next free week rotation.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 30 2012 17:56 GMT
#2450
Red baron corgi skin?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
July 30 2012 17:56 GMT
#2451
On July 31 2012 02:48 Zhiroo wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/QDLB6.jpg

looks like something that Smash would like

EDIT: Graggas, Ryze, Alistar, Irelia, Karthus, Zilean, Caitlyn, Corki, Tryndamere, Sejuani for next free week rotation.


omfg. that... skin.... T_T
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 30 2012 17:59 GMT
#2452
Lol I just posted that in his stream thread. Mebbe he'll see it.

In other news, I feel like in honour of the Olympics we should have the TL LoL Olympics!
Have qualifiers so we can see who the best representation of each country should be (or not, since most people from NA are US I imagine) and we can have a whole bunch of events:
Highest cs in 10 min
Nidalee race with 'hurdles' (set up a track on SR but you have to go through walls and shit, fastest time wins)
Maybe full out tryhard SR games represented by country?

I dunno just an idea I had. Would require a lot of organization....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 18:07:32
July 30 2012 18:02 GMT
#2453
On July 31 2012 02:47 Seuss wrote:
A jungler who clears fast and grabs a lane's creepwave between clears will actually acrue more gold than a normal solo lane. It's entirely possible, even simple, for a jungler to get carry levels of farm.

The problem is entirely that it's a complete reversal of solo queue culture. You're never going to convince anyone to do it until some big team wins three consecutive tournaments with that technique.

Was going to say this.

Particularly with how much overlap there often is between the roles top and jungle play in a teamfight, the difference between farmed top + underfarmed jungle and underfarmed top + farmed jungle is not really all that big. A jungler camping a losing lane to create farming space, but who is losing farm himself is not necessarily creating a net gain for his team. Unless they actually successfully kill the opposing laner, it's almost definitely not.

Obviously, top lane is very snowball-y by nature, but also keep in mind the global influence of the jungle role in general also means that a jungler with a farm/level advantage can affect the flow of the game just as much--particularly insofar as so many junglers gain a massive increase in ganking/teamfighting ability by hitting level 6 sooner. It is certainly NOT generalizable that:
as a jungler your job is to babysit the fuck out of a losing lane doing whatever it takes to help him back into the game
Moderator
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 30 2012 18:02 GMT
#2454
On July 31 2012 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol I just posted that in his stream thread. Mebbe he'll see it.

In other news, I feel like in honour of the Olympics we should have the TL LoL Olympics!
Have qualifiers so we can see who the best representation of each country should be (or not, since most people from NA are US I imagine) and we can have a whole bunch of events:
Highest cs in 10 min
Nidalee race with 'hurdles' (set up a track on SR but you have to go through walls and shit, fastest time wins)
Maybe full out tryhard SR games represented by country?

I dunno just an idea I had. Would require a lot of organization....


Riven Triple Jump?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 30 2012 18:05 GMT
#2455
dunking competition plz
GANDHISAUCE
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 18:07 GMT
#2456
Official TL Teemo hunt. Or some Protect the Soraka.
It's your boy Guzma!
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 30 2012 18:07 GMT
#2457
On July 31 2012 03:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol I just posted that in his stream thread. Mebbe he'll see it.

In other news, I feel like in honour of the Olympics we should have the TL LoL Olympics!
Have qualifiers so we can see who the best representation of each country should be (or not, since most people from NA are US I imagine) and we can have a whole bunch of events:
Highest cs in 10 min
Nidalee race with 'hurdles' (set up a track on SR but you have to go through walls and shit, fastest time wins)
Maybe full out tryhard SR games represented by country?

I dunno just an idea I had. Would require a lot of organization....


Riven Triple Jump?

Pantheon Long Jump
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 30 2012 18:08 GMT
#2458
Dominion Double Dash seems pretty much mandatory for this.
Moderator
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
July 30 2012 18:09 GMT
#2459
On July 31 2012 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol I just posted that in his stream thread. Mebbe he'll see it.

In other news, I feel like in honour of the Olympics we should have the TL LoL Olympics!
Have qualifiers so we can see who the best representation of each country should be (or not, since most people from NA are US I imagine) and we can have a whole bunch of events:
Highest cs in 10 min
Nidalee race with 'hurdles' (set up a track on SR but you have to go through walls and shit, fastest time wins)
Maybe full out tryhard SR games represented by country?

I dunno just an idea I had. Would require a lot of organization....


Hahaha that nidalee idea is too good
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
July 30 2012 18:10 GMT
#2460
Nidaree javelin throw.

Sivir Discus throw.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Prev 1 121 122 123 124 125 137 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Platinum Heroes Events
12:00
PSC2L Finals - Playoffs
Krystianer vs PercivalLIVE!
Gerald vs Jumy
Nicoract vs Creator
RotterdaM975
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 975
SortOf 201
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 43359
Shuttle 2154
GuemChi 1715
Sea 1443
EffOrt 1118
Horang2 1054
Stork 795
Jaedong 684
Soma 606
ggaemo 402
[ Show more ]
actioN 361
Snow 360
hero 241
Mini 225
Last 195
Sharp 179
Zeus 149
Barracks 133
Leta 71
ToSsGirL 68
sorry 67
PianO 48
Mind 27
JYJ 25
Rock 18
Shine 17
yabsab 16
scan(afreeca) 12
GoRush 12
Sacsri 11
Noble 10
HiyA 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Sexy 8
Dota 2
singsing3523
XcaliburYe724
Fuzer 372
syndereN275
League of Legends
C9.Mang0397
Other Games
Gorgc3458
Pyrionflax536
Hui .132
hiko75
B2W.Neo0
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 21
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• WagamamaTV130
Upcoming Events
OSC
23h 33m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 13h
OSC
1d 22h
IPSL
2 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Patches Events
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-Race Season 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.