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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 30 2012 17:29 GMT
#2441
yes that one game proves youre right
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 17:31:24
July 30 2012 17:30 GMT
#2442
On July 31 2012 02:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 02:02 greggy wrote:
isn't the problem with revive that you get to use it about twice all game, if that, and you're playing with 1 summoner all early game?

Depends how long the game goes. In bot games I die too much on my smurf and end up not having any death downtime with revive.

I've asked people to lane with them, and recently I switched lanes with a tryndamere who was losing lane to jax. He was only 0-2 or something and just left lane so I didn't want top to go down and stayed there the rest of the lane phase. Enemy Jax was 2 levels ahead of me (6/7 when I arrived) all game and had 2/3 dorans and a long sword and boots, and in a mirror matchup I couldn't trade, but jax farms like a beast under tower if you're used to him so I stayed even and didn't die after that. Tryndamere started doing well in ganks on the other lane, and jungling well. After a certain level, smite just doesn't do much for jungle sustain.

There are other options than just taxing a lane. Not always possible. Skarner isn't going to be switching with the AD carry or mid to lane instead of them, but perhaps you could ask mid and bot to switch.

Perhaps try these out.

Also I learned what a big deal levels and items were. I lost trades to someone with almost no mana and while under my own tower.

Also does anyone else do demand projections?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 17:31 GMT
#2443
no man i'm agreeing with you
It's your boy Guzma!
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 30 2012 17:33 GMT
#2444
yaya i agree with him too
GANDHISAUCE
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 30 2012 17:42 GMT
#2445
On July 31 2012 02:30 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 02:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 31 2012 02:02 greggy wrote:
isn't the problem with revive that you get to use it about twice all game, if that, and you're playing with 1 summoner all early game?

Depends how long the game goes. In bot games I die too much on my smurf and end up not having any death downtime with revive.

I've asked people to lane with them, and recently I switched lanes with a tryndamere who was losing lane to jax. He was only 0-2 or something and just left lane so I didn't want top to go down and stayed there the rest of the lane phase. Enemy Jax was 2 levels ahead of me (6/7 when I arrived) all game and had 2/3 dorans and a long sword and boots, and in a mirror matchup I couldn't trade, but jax farms like a beast under tower if you're used to him so I stayed even and didn't die after that. Tryndamere started doing well in ganks on the other lane, and jungling well. After a certain level, smite just doesn't do much for jungle sustain.

There are other options than just taxing a lane. Not always possible. Skarner isn't going to be switching with the AD carry or mid to lane instead of them, but perhaps you could ask mid and bot to switch.

Perhaps try these out.

Also I learned what a big deal levels and items were. I lost trades to someone with almost no mana and while under my own tower.

Also does anyone else do demand projections?

Me O.o why?
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
July 30 2012 17:43 GMT
#2446
single handedly carrying is very difficult. i need one other person to not be brain dead. i play skarner and shyvana as my junglers usually in ranked (sejuani sometimes also, but she is even more dependent on having a competent team mate). with skarner especially you can carry easily. triforce wits randuins fon. shyvana can carry early and mid but late she kind of drops off. and if sejuani gets fed it can be hilarious.

stealing cs is a case by case basis. if possible i try to push down top turret asap (not always feasible) so that i can farm that lane when appropriate. if someone shows they are capable of doing shit by themselves i dont say gtfo when they steal my jungle camps, otherwise i say gtfo. gank taxes also apply on a case by case basis. if the enemy minion wave is bigger then ours then i will take a few, especially if smite is up.

there are always the games where u start out by ganking top, and get a kill. then you go mid and force a flash. then bot lane starts crying for a gank so you go down there and do what you can. then top lane starts whining. at that point i just mute everyone. and in the games where i do more actively steal cs (push lanes when ppl go back etc) i dont feel bad about it, because jungling is a thankless job. i played sejuani over the weekend and was 11-1-18, the other team surrendered when i had 4500 hp and randuins and fh. my team said i sucked the whole game and wanted the other team to report me. the other team was like wtf lol?
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 30 2012 17:47 GMT
#2447
A jungler who clears fast and grabs a lane's creepwave between clears will actually acrue more gold than a normal solo lane. It's entirely possible, even simple, for a jungler to get carry levels of farm.

The problem is entirely that it's a complete reversal of solo queue culture. You're never going to convince anyone to do it until some big team wins three consecutive tournaments with that technique.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 17:47 GMT
#2448
nah man jungles can't carry

you just don't know


On topic, I really don't see a lot of Sej's anymore. You think you would, since she's a second string Naut, and Naut is banned in nearly every game you see anymore. I never picked her up, since a few people I was playing with at the time bought her and I never got a chance to try. I might now, but I think she needs some buffs before she's on the level.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 17:51:25
July 30 2012 17:48 GMT
#2449
http://i.imgur.com/QDLB6.jpg

looks like something that Smash would like

EDIT: Graggas, Ryze, Alistar, Irelia, Karthus, Zilean, Caitlyn, Corki, Tryndamere, Sejuani for next free week rotation.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
July 30 2012 17:56 GMT
#2450
Red baron corgi skin?
aka Teutonica
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 30 2012 17:56 GMT
#2451
On July 31 2012 02:48 Zhiroo wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/QDLB6.jpg

looks like something that Smash would like

EDIT: Graggas, Ryze, Alistar, Irelia, Karthus, Zilean, Caitlyn, Corki, Tryndamere, Sejuani for next free week rotation.


omfg. that... skin.... T_T
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 30 2012 17:59 GMT
#2452
Lol I just posted that in his stream thread. Mebbe he'll see it.

In other news, I feel like in honour of the Olympics we should have the TL LoL Olympics!
Have qualifiers so we can see who the best representation of each country should be (or not, since most people from NA are US I imagine) and we can have a whole bunch of events:
Highest cs in 10 min
Nidalee race with 'hurdles' (set up a track on SR but you have to go through walls and shit, fastest time wins)
Maybe full out tryhard SR games represented by country?

I dunno just an idea I had. Would require a lot of organization....
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 18:07:32
July 30 2012 18:02 GMT
#2453
On July 31 2012 02:47 Seuss wrote:
A jungler who clears fast and grabs a lane's creepwave between clears will actually acrue more gold than a normal solo lane. It's entirely possible, even simple, for a jungler to get carry levels of farm.

The problem is entirely that it's a complete reversal of solo queue culture. You're never going to convince anyone to do it until some big team wins three consecutive tournaments with that technique.

Was going to say this.

Particularly with how much overlap there often is between the roles top and jungle play in a teamfight, the difference between farmed top + underfarmed jungle and underfarmed top + farmed jungle is not really all that big. A jungler camping a losing lane to create farming space, but who is losing farm himself is not necessarily creating a net gain for his team. Unless they actually successfully kill the opposing laner, it's almost definitely not.

Obviously, top lane is very snowball-y by nature, but also keep in mind the global influence of the jungle role in general also means that a jungler with a farm/level advantage can affect the flow of the game just as much--particularly insofar as so many junglers gain a massive increase in ganking/teamfighting ability by hitting level 6 sooner. It is certainly NOT generalizable that:
as a jungler your job is to babysit the fuck out of a losing lane doing whatever it takes to help him back into the game
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 30 2012 18:02 GMT
#2454
On July 31 2012 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol I just posted that in his stream thread. Mebbe he'll see it.

In other news, I feel like in honour of the Olympics we should have the TL LoL Olympics!
Have qualifiers so we can see who the best representation of each country should be (or not, since most people from NA are US I imagine) and we can have a whole bunch of events:
Highest cs in 10 min
Nidalee race with 'hurdles' (set up a track on SR but you have to go through walls and shit, fastest time wins)
Maybe full out tryhard SR games represented by country?

I dunno just an idea I had. Would require a lot of organization....


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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 30 2012 18:05 GMT
#2455
dunking competition plz
GANDHISAUCE
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 18:07 GMT
#2456
Official TL Teemo hunt. Or some Protect the Soraka.
It's your boy Guzma!
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 30 2012 18:07 GMT
#2457
On July 31 2012 03:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol I just posted that in his stream thread. Mebbe he'll see it.

In other news, I feel like in honour of the Olympics we should have the TL LoL Olympics!
Have qualifiers so we can see who the best representation of each country should be (or not, since most people from NA are US I imagine) and we can have a whole bunch of events:
Highest cs in 10 min
Nidalee race with 'hurdles' (set up a track on SR but you have to go through walls and shit, fastest time wins)
Maybe full out tryhard SR games represented by country?

I dunno just an idea I had. Would require a lot of organization....


Riven Triple Jump?

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 30 2012 18:08 GMT
#2458
Dominion Double Dash seems pretty much mandatory for this.
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Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
July 30 2012 18:09 GMT
#2459
On July 31 2012 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol I just posted that in his stream thread. Mebbe he'll see it.

In other news, I feel like in honour of the Olympics we should have the TL LoL Olympics!
Have qualifiers so we can see who the best representation of each country should be (or not, since most people from NA are US I imagine) and we can have a whole bunch of events:
Highest cs in 10 min
Nidalee race with 'hurdles' (set up a track on SR but you have to go through walls and shit, fastest time wins)
Maybe full out tryhard SR games represented by country?

I dunno just an idea I had. Would require a lot of organization....


Hahaha that nidalee idea is too good
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
July 30 2012 18:10 GMT
#2460
Nidaree javelin throw.

Sivir Discus throw.
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