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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:05 zulu_nation8 wrote: ive never encountered a situation like that and the game was still winnable Then you don't carry. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it. Exactly. This is solo queue. If I gank top, who is like I said 50 farm behind and down kills, what should I do? If I give him the farm, I run the risk of him taking a bunch of gold and being useless late game anyway (yay double Zeal Xin), or I can take it, knowing that I'm already 3-0-4 and can use that gold to push the advantage more. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:11 zulu_nation8 wrote: youre not gonna carry any games as a farmed jungler if the solo is useless hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:11 zulu_nation8 wrote: youre not gonna carry any games as a farmed jungler if the solo is useless Skarner with Shurelya/FH/Wit's/Boots can 1v1 damn near anything in the game that I've come across. (Also I 1v2 things on him all the time. Hilarity ensues.) Also, that statement is incorrect in itself. If I steal all the farm from top, become an unkillable machine on Nautilus, and my Vayne is going even (keeping up with farm, not down kills), I can "carry" the game by peeling hardcore off of her and locking down targets to kill, even if my top is more or less out of the game. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Nunu top and the jungle basically saved a terrible mid and a ad bot that was losing | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:11 zulu_nation8 wrote: youre not gonna carry any games as a farmed jungler if the solo is useless Ever seen an Amumu with a full build (aka incuding Abyssal and Deathcap)? That guy carries hard. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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jcc
United States472 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:22 spinesheath wrote: Ever seen an Amumu with a full build (aka incuding Abyssal and Deathcap)? That guy carries hard. Press R. PENTAKILL. But on the other hand, I've been personally screwed over by my jungler taking my farm in a way that I was over 2 levels behind my lane opponent when I was otherwise 0-1 and even CS and it snowballed into me going 1-5 because when you're 5 and riven is 7, she can dive you pretty much whenever her ult is up. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:24 jcc wrote: What annoys me the most Is when junglers take too many of the kills. One time I had a jungle gank my lane (bot) like 4 times, but e got all the kills, where as when fights would happen te enemy AD got 3-4 kills. This allowed him a whole BF sword up on me and lead to me losing stability in lane and us struggling in mid game team fights. I wish some junglers had a better read on when to hand of kills and when to pick them up. I apologize when I take early game kills, I think most junglers try to make sure the carries get the killing blow. You can't help it sometimes (Naut anchor getting kill to stop a running enemy, Skarner Q killing to keep the slow up, Red tick on anyone), but most junglers are just CC bots and tanks early game anyway, so a competent AD or mid should consistently put the damage out to guarantee the kill. The jungler should be careful, but the laner should also be watchful imo. | ||
Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it. Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:33 Alzadar wrote: Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold. Not if he gets caught and killed before every single fight is engaged. | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:40 TheYango wrote: Not if he gets caught and killed before every single fight is engaged. same goes for 5,000% more gold than enemy top lane. Not really sure what your point is. If I die top lane and a jungler comes by to shove my lane and take my cs, he's pretty much guaranteed my next death. Please tell me you';re not one of those junglers. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:33 Alzadar wrote: Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold. Yes, we're under the assumption that said solo laner is already below 50% of his opponents gold and basically can't even go into lane anymore. On July 31 2012 00:43 ItsFunToLose wrote: same goes for 5,000% more gold than enemy top lane. Not really sure what your point is. If I die top lane and a jungler comes by to shove my lane and take my cs, he's pretty much guaranteed my next death. Please tell me you';re not one of those junglers. Then you're running into the issue where your jungler isn't 100% on the dynamic of WHEN to shove top lane. If the wave is reset middle, or pushing towards their tower already, it's a good time to shove it back to their tower and let the tower reset the wave again. If the wave is pushing towards YOUR tower it's best to leave it alone and let your solo lane farm under tower UNLESS the enemy is already so far ahead that your tower is inconsequential to them killing you. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:33 Alzadar wrote: Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold. We're not talking about the guy in the hard lane, or who gets camped and is slightly behind. You help that guy, you get him back to useful state. I'm talking about the solo queue top laner who dives a Trynd with his ult up, or overextends when there's a Noct jungle, or the mid who pushes for no reason and wanders into the enemy jungle and dies. Help people who are having a bad game, compensate for shitty players by taking their farm/buffs and being useful with it. | ||
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ManyCookies
1164 Posts
If I die top lane and a jungler comes by to shove my lane and take my cs, he's pretty much guaranteed my next death. Please tell me you';re not one of those junglers. *cough* Have skillshots been... tempermental for anyone else lately? I can never tell if I'm going to hit my skills with Lux; sometimes the bind/laser goes straight through them, other times it hits on a clear miss. I think the hitbox might have shifted or something. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:46 ManyCookies wrote: *cough* Have skillshots been... tempramental for anyone else lately? I can never tell if I'm going to hit my skills with Lux; sometimes the bind/laser goes straight through them, other times it hits on a clear miss. I think the hitbox might have shifted or something. I had a game with LPractice yesterday where I was TF against Lux mid, and anyone in TeamSpeak could probably vouch for the amount of times I said "WTF that was nowhere near me!" in reference to Lux Qs The laser bug has been around for a while though, even direct hits sometimes bug out. | ||
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