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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 30 2012 15:05 GMT
#2381
ive never encountered a situation like that and the game was still winnable
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 30 2012 15:06 GMT
#2382
On July 31 2012 00:05 zulu_nation8 wrote:
ive never encountered a situation like that and the game was still winnable

Then you don't carry.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 15:08 GMT
#2383
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
taxing lanes is when you push the lane to tower after a kill so the dead enemy laner misses xp. It's not when you take the solo's farm when he's behind to set him behind even more, that's called being a raging nerd.


If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it.

Exactly. This is solo queue. If I gank top, who is like I said 50 farm behind and down kills, what should I do? If I give him the farm, I run the risk of him taking a bunch of gold and being useless late game anyway (yay double Zeal Xin), or I can take it, knowing that I'm already 3-0-4 and can use that gold to push the advantage more.
It's your boy Guzma!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 30 2012 15:11 GMT
#2384
youre not gonna carry any games as a farmed jungler if the solo is useless
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 30 2012 15:15 GMT
#2385
On July 31 2012 00:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
youre not gonna carry any games as a farmed jungler if the solo is useless

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 15:17:46
July 30 2012 15:17 GMT
#2386
On July 31 2012 00:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
youre not gonna carry any games as a farmed jungler if the solo is useless

Skarner with Shurelya/FH/Wit's/Boots can 1v1 damn near anything in the game that I've come across. (Also I 1v2 things on him all the time. Hilarity ensues.)

Also, that statement is incorrect in itself. If I steal all the farm from top, become an unkillable machine on Nautilus, and my Vayne is going even (keeping up with farm, not down kills), I can "carry" the game by peeling hardcore off of her and locking down targets to kill, even if my top is more or less out of the game.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 30 2012 15:17 GMT
#2387
Reminds me of a game of Shake's I watched last night, with that veigar mid.

Nunu top and the jungle basically saved a terrible mid and a ad bot that was losing
Carrilord has arrived.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 30 2012 15:22 GMT
#2388
On July 31 2012 00:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
youre not gonna carry any games as a farmed jungler if the solo is useless

Ever seen an Amumu with a full build (aka incuding Abyssal and Deathcap)?
That guy carries hard.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 30 2012 15:24 GMT
#2389
You'll have to put it to past tense after next patch if PBE changes go through, basically halving his AP ratios. T.T
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
July 30 2012 15:24 GMT
#2390
What annoys me the most Is when junglers take too many of the kills. One time I had a jungle gank my lane (bot) like 4 times, but e got all the kills, where as when fights would happen te enemy AD got 3-4 kills. This allowed him a whole BF sword up on me and lead to me losing stability in lane and us struggling in mid game team fights. I wish some junglers had a better read on when to hand of kills and when to pick them up.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 30 2012 15:30 GMT
#2391
On July 31 2012 00:22 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
youre not gonna carry any games as a farmed jungler if the solo is useless

Ever seen an Amumu with a full build (aka incuding Abyssal and Deathcap)?
That guy carries hard.

Press R. PENTAKILL.
But on the other hand, I've been personally screwed over by my jungler taking my farm in a way that I was over 2 levels behind my lane opponent when I was otherwise 0-1 and even CS and it snowballed into me going 1-5 because when you're 5 and riven is 7, she can dive you pretty much whenever her ult is up.

Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 15:32 GMT
#2392
On July 31 2012 00:24 jcc wrote:
What annoys me the most Is when junglers take too many of the kills. One time I had a jungle gank my lane (bot) like 4 times, but e got all the kills, where as when fights would happen te enemy AD got 3-4 kills. This allowed him a whole BF sword up on me and lead to me losing stability in lane and us struggling in mid game team fights. I wish some junglers had a better read on when to hand of kills and when to pick them up.

I apologize when I take early game kills, I think most junglers try to make sure the carries get the killing blow. You can't help it sometimes (Naut anchor getting kill to stop a running enemy, Skarner Q killing to keep the slow up, Red tick on anyone), but most junglers are just CC bots and tanks early game anyway, so a competent AD or mid should consistently put the damage out to guarantee the kill. The jungler should be careful, but the laner should also be watchful imo.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
July 30 2012 15:33 GMT
#2393
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
taxing lanes is when you push the lane to tower after a kill so the dead enemy laner misses xp. It's not when you take the solo's farm when he's behind to set him behind even more, that's called being a raging nerd.


If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it.


Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold.
I am the Town Medic.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 30 2012 15:40 GMT
#2394
On July 31 2012 00:33 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
taxing lanes is when you push the lane to tower after a kill so the dead enemy laner misses xp. It's not when you take the solo's farm when he's behind to set him behind even more, that's called being a raging nerd.


If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it.


Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold.

Not if he gets caught and killed before every single fight is engaged.
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ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
July 30 2012 15:43 GMT
#2395
On July 31 2012 00:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:33 Alzadar wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
taxing lanes is when you push the lane to tower after a kill so the dead enemy laner misses xp. It's not when you take the solo's farm when he's behind to set him behind even more, that's called being a raging nerd.


If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it.


Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold.

Not if he gets caught and killed before every single fight is engaged.



same goes for 5,000% more gold than enemy top lane. Not really sure what your point is.

If I die top lane and a jungler comes by to shove my lane and take my cs, he's pretty much guaranteed my next death. Please tell me you';re not one of those junglers.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 15:46:27
July 30 2012 15:43 GMT
#2396
On July 31 2012 00:33 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
taxing lanes is when you push the lane to tower after a kill so the dead enemy laner misses xp. It's not when you take the solo's farm when he's behind to set him behind even more, that's called being a raging nerd.


If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it.


Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold.

Yes, we're under the assumption that said solo laner is already below 50% of his opponents gold and basically can't even go into lane anymore.


On July 31 2012 00:43 ItsFunToLose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:40 TheYango wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:33 Alzadar wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
taxing lanes is when you push the lane to tower after a kill so the dead enemy laner misses xp. It's not when you take the solo's farm when he's behind to set him behind even more, that's called being a raging nerd.


If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it.


Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold.

Not if he gets caught and killed before every single fight is engaged.



same goes for 5,000% more gold than enemy top lane. Not really sure what your point is.

If I die top lane and a jungler comes by to shove my lane and take my cs, he's pretty much guaranteed my next death. Please tell me you';re not one of those junglers.

Then you're running into the issue where your jungler isn't 100% on the dynamic of WHEN to shove top lane.

If the wave is reset middle, or pushing towards their tower already, it's a good time to shove it back to their tower and let the tower reset the wave again.

If the wave is pushing towards YOUR tower it's best to leave it alone and let your solo lane farm under tower UNLESS the enemy is already so far ahead that your tower is inconsequential to them killing you.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
July 30 2012 15:44 GMT
#2397
Just played against Zyra, wow, pretty insane utility and damage.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 15:45 GMT
#2398
On July 31 2012 00:33 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 00:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 31 2012 00:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
taxing lanes is when you push the lane to tower after a kill so the dead enemy laner misses xp. It's not when you take the solo's farm when he's behind to set him behind even more, that's called being a raging nerd.


If your solo lane is going to be useless regardless, might as well give the farm to someone who will use it.


Usefulness isn't binary. There's a pretty big difference between a top laner with 25% of his opponent's gold and 75% of his opponent's gold.

We're not talking about the guy in the hard lane, or who gets camped and is slightly behind. You help that guy, you get him back to useful state.

I'm talking about the solo queue top laner who dives a Trynd with his ult up, or overextends when there's a Noct jungle, or the mid who pushes for no reason and wanders into the enemy jungle and dies.

Help people who are having a bad game, compensate for shitty players by taking their farm/buffs and being useful with it.
It's your boy Guzma!
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 15:47:57
July 30 2012 15:46 GMT
#2399
If I die top lane and a jungler comes by to shove my lane and take my cs, he's pretty much guaranteed my next death. Please tell me you';re not one of those junglers.


*cough*

Have skillshots been... tempermental for anyone else lately? I can never tell if I'm going to hit my skills with Lux; sometimes the bind/laser goes straight through them, other times it hits on a clear miss. I think the hitbox might have shifted or something.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
July 30 2012 15:49 GMT
#2400
On July 31 2012 00:46 ManyCookies wrote:
Show nested quote +
If I die top lane and a jungler comes by to shove my lane and take my cs, he's pretty much guaranteed my next death. Please tell me you';re not one of those junglers.


*cough*

Have skillshots been... tempramental for anyone else lately? I can never tell if I'm going to hit my skills with Lux; sometimes the bind/laser goes straight through them, other times it hits on a clear miss. I think the hitbox might have shifted or something.

I had a game with LPractice yesterday where I was TF against Lux mid, and anyone in TeamSpeak could probably vouch for the amount of times I said "WTF that was nowhere near me!" in reference to Lux Qs

The laser bug has been around for a while though, even direct hits sometimes bug out.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
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