EPTPretty much any ranged~.
Don't get me wrong, rumble is super fuckton strong, but there are plenty of champions that are on that level of "good-ness", but I don't see any nerfs targeting these other champions.
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Pretty much any ranged~. Don't get me wrong, rumble is super fuckton strong, but there are plenty of champions that are on that level of "good-ness", but I don't see any nerfs targeting these other champions. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On July 28 2012 15:43 wei2coolman wrote: rumble nerf was unnecessary imo, I don't think he's "op'd", i think he's strong, but he can get counterpicked.... 60% win rate. That's same level of OP as karma is UP. The only other champ that has over 55% recently is malphite and he did get targetted for a nerf. Not sure why you're considering strength based on your observations. | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
447 Posts
On July 28 2012 15:49 Feartheguru wrote: 60% win rate. That's same level of OP as karma is UP. The only other champ that has over 55% recently is malphite and he did get targetted for a nerf. Not sure why you're considering strength based on your observations. The other day he had 65% win rate for a day.... That's just ridiculous. Not only is his win rate beasting pretty much everyone else by 5% per day. His amount played has jumped drastically over the last week and he's now being banned or picked in a lot of games. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
as far as "ban/pick" all the time, i call bullshit. he's picked often (enough), he's rarely banned. | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On July 28 2012 15:54 wei2coolman wrote: winrate is independent to "overpowered". Rumble was essentially unchanged for the longest time, despite lack of play. Just by auto nerfing something over increased popularity over a period of like 2-3months, you don't really let any meta develop to counter play. as far as "ban/pick" all the time, i call bullshit. he's picked often (enough), he's rarely banned. I stopped reading when you based your entire conclusion on a false premise. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
False premise? they just fix'd a bug on Q. aside from that it's been like a year since the last patch on rumble, which was just a fix to his ulti. and a month before that, was a big change (nerf to his Q). So essentially, it's been a year since an actual nerf hit rumble. tbh, if he was as "op'd" as everyone says he is, he'd see a lot more tournament play. Dyrus seems to be one of the few to play a high percentage of rumble in recent tourneys, aside from that we don't really see too many data points referencing rumble's "op'd"ness in the highest level of play. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On July 28 2012 16:02 wei2coolman wrote: http://lol-patch.com/rumble.html False premise? they just fix'd a bug on Q. it was a huggggggggge bug | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
it was more a quality of life change tbh. I don't think it was on the level of malphite ulti change, good though. | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
447 Posts
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=bans He's being picked in 13% of games and banned in 15% of games. So, according to your "rarely banned".. he must never be seen at all in ranked. : /. At platinum he's picked 22% of the time and wins 61% of the time. Wish they'd show how often he's banned... I'm sure it's a lot. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 28 2012 16:06 icemanzdoinwork wrote: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=champion-winrate http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=bans He's being picked in 13% of games and banned in 15% of games. So, according to your "rarely banned".. he must never be seen at all in ranked. : /. At platinum he's picked 22% of the time and wins 61% of the time. Wish they'd show how often he's banned... I'm sure it's a lot. top ban picks are essentially locked up by. ahri/morg/shen/alistar.malphite etc etc. rumble only shows up there in the combination of regions~, not in any specific region. Again. If Rumble was as op'd as everyone says he is, he'd easily be above all these other champions in terms of ban rate. But no nerfs targeting these other champions~ http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=top-lane-matchup Also, if you look at the matchups, rumble is excelling as a counter meta, not necessarily "op'd". Similar to the rise of riven top lane during that 2-month period of nasus top. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
On July 28 2012 16:06 wei2coolman wrote: it was more a quality of life change tbh. I don't think it was on the level of malphite ulti change, good though. It was a huge buff on rumble, not a QoL change. Prior to the bugfix, rumble's flamethrower would hit somewhere around 4/6 to 5/6 ticks of flame. After the fix, he was hitting 6/6 reliably and that's a massive buff to his damage output, 20-30% extra damage if not more on his primary damage skill. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 28 2012 16:06 wei2coolman wrote: it was more a quality of life change tbh. I don't think it was on the level of malphite ulti change, good though. No, it literally makes his Q do more than twice as much damage every time he uses it. It is, and was 1000000x bigger than the Malph ult change. Hell, I dont really recall Malph ult bugging out all that often anyway. I mean, it did, but not 100% of the time. Rumbles Q was balanced on it only being able to do about 33% of its damage even if you stayed on them the whole time because it was really busted up and impossible to know when the random pulses of damage would come. Now they controllable and very often, his Q is significantly stronger. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 28 2012 16:14 Lmui wrote: It was a huge buff on rumble, not a QoL change. Prior to the bugfix, rumble's flamethrower would hit somewhere around 4/6 to 5/6 ticks of flame. After the fix, he was hitting 6/6 reliably and that's a massive buff to his damage output, 20-30% extra damage on his primary damage skill. QoL change, because bug fix, not necessarily targeted buff~. that's what i mean by saying it wasn't a buff. His damage may of increased, but that isn't the reason for his recent success. Rumble has been an up and coming toplane smasher for a while, EU spread the meta over to amurrika~, and with Dyrus putting rumble in his repertoire of champions, also increased his popularity. His recent strength is simply due to the fact he just wrecks bruiser toplane meta, not necessarily op'd. on the malphite change. They essentially made it go 4x faster, and prevented it from bugging out as much (which trust me, happened to me a quite a few times, and cost me hundreds of kills)~,made malphite go from never picked to, always picked/banned, even in tourney. Essentially xHazzard, made malphite near permabanned status like a couple of days after MLG. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 28 2012 16:22 cascades wrote: The "this champion is going seeing play due to cycle changes" sheep is getting annoying. implying it doesn't happen >.> counter metas are bound to happen. same shit happened throughout the history of Dota, even without patch changes for long periods of time. It'd be silly not to account for it. I'm just not a fan of insta nerfing something because of recent popularity, or rise of winrate. It takes away a lot from the whole problem solving process of trying learn how to counter play champs. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 28 2012 15:48 wei2coolman wrote: Pretty much any ranged~. Don't get me wrong, rumble is super fuckton strong, but there are plenty of champions that are on that level of "good-ness", but I don't see any nerfs targeting these other champions. So like, Nidalee? | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
AHRI HAS AN OP ESCAPE. BUT IT'S NOTHING LIKE OLAF. RIVEN HAS TOO STRONG OF LANING. BUT IT'S NOTHING LIKE OLAF. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 28 2012 16:27 HazMat wrote: Nothing makes my day more than Hashinshin raging about X hero having Y when he used to main solotop Olaf. AHRI HAS AN OP ESCAPE. BUT IT'S NOTHING LIKE OLAF. RIVEN HAS TOO STRONG OF LANING. BUT IT'S NOTHING LIKE OLAF. You mean kind of like this? http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/20848-mana-the-resource-that-used-to-make-so-much-sense | ||
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