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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On July 31 2012 03:56 BlackPaladin wrote: There is a reason most coaches in the gaming industry were ex-pro players. If I could get a pro basketball player to teach me everything he knows, and play against him daily, getting pointers, I'd improve by leaps and bounds. He'd beat me, obviously, he's the pro. That doesn't mean that every loss isn't allowing me to learn and improve. You learn from your mistakes and from your failures. The same can be said for LoL. Complaining that a person is "better than [you]" isn't going to allow you to improve. Looking inward at yourself and listening to the person that's better than you, and learning from them will though. Just like playing any sport, you have to push your limits to become better. If you're just going to be a complaining little child about it, then you're obviously not up for the challenge of improving yourself, regardless of what you SAY to the contrary. if you're getting curb-stomped all game though, there's a certain point at which you kinda stop getting any benefit from the game. In an extreme case, if you're AD carry and getting smashed by some 2k player, and come mid game you're pissing around with 50cs @ 20 mins, then there's next to nothing you can do. At all. edit: I think in general, you are correct, but there's also a necessary effort from the pro to adjust to the level of the student if the disparity reaches a certain point. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:12 barbsq wrote: if you're getting curb-stomped all game though, there's a certain point at which you kinda stop getting any benefit from the game. In an extreme case, if you're AD carry and getting smashed by some 2k player, and come mid game you're pissing around with 50cs @ 20 mins, then there's next to nothing you can do. At all. edit: I think in general, you are correct, but there's also a necessary effort from the pro to adjust to the level of the student if the disparity reaches a certain point. I don't know about you, but when I played sports in elementary, they didn't let us play against high school kids because it would help us learn. That just doesn't make any fucking sense. "Oh hai 12 year old boy, you want to learn boot-leg fake-ass tiger shulman karate? 1 sec, let me get Anderson Silva." lolwut In LoL, a 2k elo player going around headhunting some sub-200-game player can't even be considered "learning" because that is a situation they will never be in for an unforeseen amount of time. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:45 jacosajh wrote: I don't know about you, but when I played sports in elementary, they didn't let us play against high school kids because it would help us learn. That just doesn't make any fucking sense. "Oh hai 12 year old boy, you want to learn boot-leg fake-ass tiger shulman karate? 1 sec, let me get Anderson Silva." lolwut In LoL, a 2k elo player going around headhunting some sub-200-game player can't even be considered "learning" because that is a situation they will never be in for an unforeseen amount of time. I'm fairly certain everyone in LiquidPractice has the learning capability of a high schooler. Unless people haven't even begun to understand how to use a mouse and keyboard, they're perfectly equipped to learn from experienced players. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:45 jacosajh wrote: I don't know about you, but when I played sports in elementary, they didn't let us play against high school kids because it would help us learn. That just doesn't make any fucking sense. "Oh hai 12 year old boy, you want to learn boot-leg fake-ass tiger shulman karate? 1 sec, let me get Anderson Silva." lolwut In LoL, a 2k elo player going around headhunting some sub-200-game player can't even be considered "learning" because that is a situation they will never be in for an unforeseen amount of time. lol? your examples are backwards. im sure someone terrible at martial arts would love to train with anderson silva but he isnt gonna waste his time training a random kid. also elementary kids are less concerned with learning than they are with having a "fair game," which brings us back to the last few pages where people talk about what they are looking for in these inhouses so PLEASE go back and read them and stop posting the same bs. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:45 jacosajh wrote: I don't know about you, but when I played sports in elementary, they didn't let us play against high school kids because it would help us learn. That just doesn't make any fucking sense. This analogy doesn't quite make sense. Elementary school kids won't learn from playing against high school kids because they are physically incapable of doing what high school kids are--their ability is beyond their physical limit, so its hard to learn from copying what they do. By contrast, the vast majority of LoL players aren't incapable of performing what's needed to get to 1800+ Elo. The technical skill and decision making exhibited by a 2k Elo player is perfectly reasonable for a 1200 Elo player to study from. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
Physically and mentally incapable are the same thing here because they both need to be developed. Muffing the shit out of an elementary school kid ever time he shoots the ball isn't going to help him get there faster. I never understood why people fucking nitpick at analogies in the dumbest way. It's an analogy. No shit it's not going to be the exact-same-thing, because you know... it's... uh... an analogy. No shit Anderson Silva wouldn't waste his time. But I bet even even if he would, he wouldn't think it's a good idea to beat the shit out of a 12 year old kid in the name of "good training." You are all fucking kidding yourselves if you think you can pick this game up "easily." Because it's not. At all. I thought the whole point of this was to help people improve. I don't even see how this could happen when some of the people responding here seem to be so fucking counter-productive towards that goal. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Just move on. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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swim224
Botswana368 Posts
On July 31 2012 06:26 jacosajh wrote: Except he's not even close to 1200 elo. Physically and mentally incapable are the same thing here because they both need to be developed. Muffing the shit out of an elementary school kid ever time he shoots the ball isn't going to help him get there faster. I never understood why people fucking nitpick at analogies in the dumbest way. It's an analogy. No shit it's not going to be the exact-same-thing, because you know... it's... uh... an analogy. No shit Anderson Silva wouldn't waste his time. But I bet even even if he would, he wouldn't think it's a good idea to beat the shit out of a 12 year old kid in the name of "good training." You are all fucking kidding yourselves if you think you can pick this game up "easily." Because it's not. At all. I thought the whole point of this was to help people improve. I don't even see how this could happen when some of the people responding here seem to be so fucking counter-productive towards that goal. I don't think arguing this agressively is going to make anyone's opinion of jinglehell change. If anything, you're making the situation worse for him. All you've done is insult people and now you're speaking for jinglehell. Im not sure if you feel that you've been mistreated in liquidpractise, because you come off extremely negative and overly angry over this, calling people in the channel elitists. I have to disagree with you here. Being a 1200 player I have been stomped repetedly in practise games, but I try to keep a positive attitude and ask my opponant for tips during the game so that I don't continue to make the same mistakes that have been getting me killed many times. Yelling at your opponant to go easy on you won't help at all next time you play versus them. I think jingle gets this and it was just the heat of the moment that caused him to vent. So yeah, in conclusion, defending him in such an agressive manner after the issue is resolved is not making things any better  | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 31 2012 06:49 remedium wrote: More importantly, Dunning-Kruger undefeated in ranked fives, in spite of Wasabi's best attempts to throw. Dat name, I lol'd | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On July 31 2012 06:26 jacosajh wrote: Except he's not even close to 1200 elo. Physically and mentally incapable are the same thing here because they both need to be developed. Muffing the shit out of an elementary school kid ever time he shoots the ball isn't going to help him get there faster. I never understood why people fucking nitpick at analogies in the dumbest way. It's an analogy. No shit it's not going to be the exact-same-thing, because you know... it's... uh... an analogy. No shit Anderson Silva wouldn't waste his time. But I bet even even if he would, he wouldn't think it's a good idea to beat the shit out of a 12 year old kid in the name of "good training." You are all fucking kidding yourselves if you think you can pick this game up "easily." Because it's not. At all. I thought the whole point of this was to help people improve. I don't even see how this could happen when some of the people responding here seem to be so fucking counter-productive towards that goal. Let me put it this way. A 4 year old has no chance of touching an NBA player; however in LoL the limitation is mostly knowledge based. You don't have to be 6ft to play with a competitive mind set. Say someone who's really new to this game picks up morg because she's more newb friendly than most, however since he's so new he gets beasted by taric mid. Lets say the newbies problems are this - Bad skill order (maxing Q first) - Bad item choice - Bad reaction time - Inexperienced with skill shots - Knows nothing about taric The above player will continue to get trucked constantly Easy quick advice that can let the newbie beat the experienced player ezpz - Pump W up to level 3/4 first to farm and shove taric away while getting a point in shield at 4 and Q at 1 - Start boots 3 pots instead of Dring and get zonyas after 2-3 rings - Do NOT cast shield early unless you plan on flash ulting a team, always wait for the projectile to be in the air before you shield when taric looks like he wants to stun (Alt-E for selfcast can help this problem) - Practice skillshots w/e - Go to league website and look up tarics abilities to see what they do, cd's no biggie at this stage The above player may still suck in general but now he's better on 1 champion and won't get destroyed by mid taric. Edit: Some of the harder things about LoL are team fights and objective priority, that just comes with time and a bit of advice. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 31 2012 06:49 remedium wrote: More importantly, Dunning-Kruger undefeated in ranked fives, in spite of Wasabi's best attempts to throw. I will sponsor this team. It has the best name ever. | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On July 31 2012 06:49 remedium wrote: More importantly, Dunning-Kruger undefeated in ranked fives, in spite of Wasabi's best attempts to throw. had to carry trist teemo bot and wasabi's 1v5 akali "distractions" zzzzz my back | ||
Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
On July 31 2012 08:25 tobi9999 wrote: had to carry trist teemo bot and wasabi's 1v5 akali "distractions" zzzzz my back lol yeah, i'll play a real support next time! | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Thanks you guys for a fun night. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
This bothers me because I have seen too many friends stop playing a game I like to play because of the same mentality you guys are displaying. Nothing more nothing less. I think it's quite acceptable to get frustrated trying to learn this game. God knows I've had my share of shitfits. Having a bunch of fucking morons purposefully trolling/griefing you does not you to calm down. If the purpose of all this is to "practice" and "improve" I don't quite see how this will be accomplished. So goodluck. | ||
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