EPT[Patch 1.0.0.142: Jayce] General Discussion - Page 61
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On July 12 2012 07:34 TheYango wrote: I don't see the need for wasting mastery points on extra starting gold. "I get to start with an extra ward" is really driven by people unconsciously feeling that they NEED to start with a Faerie Charm, when in reality Faerie Charm's actual performance in lane is really poor. Everything that Faerie Charm does in those early levels can be accomplished with mana pots, and opening up 100+ gold from starting with mana pots instead of Faerie Charm opens up WAY more gold than the starting gold mastery. Even if you skip Faerie, the extra bonus 40g still lets you have more funkier openings. Admittedly they not always worth it, but if I see my jungler is the type that wants to get more ganks off I tend to open very heavily on the pink wards. It's probably not optimal, but I do find it very satisfying starting a pink ward war on bot lane. A lot of support aren't used to suddenly dealing with pink wards. Again, may not be optimal in proper competitive play. On July 12 2012 07:35 Sufficiency wrote: I think on Soraka and Janna 0-9-21 should be standard. For offensive supports such as Alistar, Blitzcrank, Leona, and Taric, I run a mix of defense and utility when emphasis on movement speed. I also use MS quaints on these supports. Never tried MS on Supports since I like GP10 so much. I'll try it sometime. On July 12 2012 07:45 Perplex wrote: random question: how hard is it to learn HTML? I have a good idea for a LoL fansite but I have 0 web design knowledge Depends how time you're willing to spend. If you get a good beginner's book or just find a good tutorial online it's not too hard to learn how HTML works and learn to | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 12 2012 07:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Even if you skip Faerie, the extra bonus 40g still lets you have more funkier openings. Admittedly they not always worth it, but if I see my jungler is the type that wants to get more ganks off I tend to open very heavily on the pink wards. It's probably not optimal, but I do find it very satisfying starting a pink ward war on bot lane. A lot of support aren't used to suddenly dealing with pink wards. Again, may not be optimal in proper competitive play. Never tried MS on Supports since I like GP10 so much. I'll try it sometime. Depends how time you're willing to spend. If you get a good beginner's book or just find a good tutorial online it's not too hard to learn how HTML works and learn to Alright I think i'm just going to bite the bullet and start this weekend. Thanks for your reply I appreciate it. I will also look into "acquiring" dreamweaver | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On July 12 2012 07:44 Mogwai wrote: yea, ok, so here's the trick, literally no one ganks bot for the first 4 minutes of the game these days. it's always warded. so, break the meta time, cut a corner and say fuck it, don't ward, they don't gank, voila, profit, you hit reverie mad early. EDIT: also steal cs that your carry was gonna miss anyway, that's like, 10 cs every 5 minutes because people suck. While I do appreciate the truth of the particular statement that no one ganks bot lane before 4 minutes, I think you may miss a key point in keeping it warded. I would guess that 80% (straight up bs #) of all kills on bot lane are because of a support or AD carry being out of position due to the "ward wars" going on. The key is that whoever have the lane warded first has the better position and more opportunity to get into beneficial engagements/trades due to the fear of ganks with the river not being warded, or the support having to step into an already counter warded river. In enough games, i've determined that the extra cost of starting 1 pink 2-3 green is worth the delay in the gp5. Risk vs Reward, right? | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
I think the mobility that jayce has is a little much. His passive grants him unitwalking in addition to speed which is pretty damn good against kennen. I think jayce could replace kennen top as a lane bully since he has the ability to harass almost as well as kennen, does more frontloaded burst and doesn't rely on a single target skillshot. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Another thing to know is that if you want to make it clean you won't be designing that much by coding: you'll spend more time in front of a sheet, thinking about the layout will flow and what stuff goes where, for a global view—even what you think may be details. And then you'll have a good overview of your site, you'll start laying down the markups, and you'll discover what really are details in graphic design: those tiny bits no longer than 60 characters that you'll spend two and a half hour to fix correctly because you forgot what particular property that attribute entailed and suddenly that class you modify a tidbit of broke half of your frontpage. Or you can do it gory but effective, just be sure you'll never have to come back to it after a long enough to forget how you did it break.  As for supports, I used to run 0-11-19 for +6 armor/MR and bonus health, then flash cd, extra mana, mp5, exp, gp5 and some starting gold (I like to open 2 green wards, 1 pink ward, and since I don't like myself potless on a support, esp. melee and/or sustainless, the extra starting gold gives me one pot (or more if I want to grab 3 greens instead of a pink). I switched it up to 0-15-15, sacrificing exp for Indomitable and Initiator. I'll see if it changes much (I used to like bonus exp for the psychological effect that I'd be less levels behind early whenever I go to ward/other). Edit: dunno if 40 exp on kill/assist (sage) represent a lot early on? I didn't like that one because on top of not knowing its worth, it relied on early kills to make the most out of it, with bot lanes being passive and stuff because of the wards. Jayce's Q accelerates a lot upon going through the gate but it doesn't go invisible (and most of them do it badly so you anticipate and juke it anyway). I don't think he could replace Kennen either because he's got no sustain (Kennen doesn't untill revolver, true, but Jayce ain't no energy champ with single target nukes for spellvamp), weaker escapes, and their roles in teamfights for when Kennen is picked aren't tied. Also, Kennen can go mid too, and I'm sure he'll continue to be played bot, while Jayce doesn't have the same versatility. | ||
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Taurent
Canada401 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 12 2012 08:16 Lmui wrote: First time laning against a jayce. It was fucking brutal. His Q does an absurd amount of damage with gate and with his speed boost betwen form change + gate, he can keep up with kennen in lightning rush. Wasn't fun at all to deal with. The most annoying part so far has to be the fact that if he fires his Q through the gate, it goes invisible until impact. Beyond that, the nerf to kennen's range feels really bad. It was my first time playing kennen since the range change and although the animation is better, the loss of 25 range is painful when trying to last hit ranged creeps (It's much easier to last hit over your ranged creeps instead of having to go around them) I think the mobility that jayce has is a little much. His passive grants him unitwalking in addition to speed which is pretty damn good against kennen. I think jayce could replace kennen top as a lane bully since he has the ability to harass almost as well as kennen, does more frontloaded burst and doesn't rely on a single target skillshot. I feel that Jayce is strong against Kennen in particular. I only played the matchup once as Jayce, but between his knockback, gap closer, and ranged harass, it's not hard to imagine that he can counter Kennen in lane. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 12 2012 08:28 Taurent wrote: Geez, I restarted playing LoL recently and wtf is it with people getting SUPER mad when you dont have exactly 1 bruiser top, 1 ap mid, 1 ranged AD + 1 support bot and a tank in the jungle ? Its like, if its not exactly that composition, someone will dodge. 100% of time (for me at least). I dont really play much, is that generalized? The community is heavily influenced by what the "pros" do. So if you try to break the mold, you get people who are definitely going to rage. If you want to try something entirely unorthodox, you might want to play with people you know, to avoid trolls. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 12 2012 08:31 NeoIllusions wrote: The community is heavily influenced by what the "pros" do. So if you try to break the mold, you get people who are definitely going to rage. If you want to try something entirely unorthodox, you might want to play with people you know, to avoid trolls. Which is funny, because I just saw a game which Nhat and Xpecial were in the same game... so they ran two ADC + support for top and bottom and had Cris playing Riven mid. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On July 12 2012 08:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: *note* - sorry for dodging Tespa, just sick of solo queue atm lol Man of steel is always stonk, da comrade? On July 12 2012 08:31 NeoIllusions wrote: The community is heavily influenced by what the "pros" do. So if you try to break the mold, you get people who are definitely going to rage. If you want to try something entirely unorthodox, you might want to play with people you know, to avoid trolls. Can always test in bot games too where no one cares~ Intermediate bots seem to have been stealth buffed so if you stomp on them too hard their items and exp over time gets slightly more accelerated. Alternatively, let you team feed and don't feed off them too hard and play against 5 full item bots by 20-30 min and see if you setup still works. Not exactly a proper substitute for a proper game, but can still be fun when you want to blow off steam and have fun yay! | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 12 2012 08:53 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Man of steel is always stonk, da comrade? Da sonib wasn't given da mids. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
Historically speaking, if a champion is strong enough on release to play in tournaments in the release week, the champion is going to get nerfed. If there isn't enough time to master a champion and yet said champion is played in tournaments, the champion is either very strong or too strong. Personally, I'm on the too strong side. In bottom lane, Jayce hasn't been too difficult but in the one match I played against him top lane, I got my ass handed to me. | ||
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warscythes
365 Posts
well on PBE at least http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=26806012#post26806012 | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On July 12 2012 07:44 Mogwai wrote: yea, ok, so here's the trick, literally no one ganks bot for the first 4 minutes of the game these days. it's always warded. so, break the meta time, cut a corner and say fuck it, don't ward, they don't gank, voila, profit, you hit reverie mad early. EDIT: also steal cs that your carry was gonna miss anyway, that's like, 10 cs every 5 minutes because people suck. I always count ward timers when i am bot (or my support does). Its stupidly easy to do. If someone doesn't get a second ward i will tell my jungler its possible to gank. | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
And thanks lol | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 12 2012 09:28 Juddas wrote: Ok quick question. I have 3159 IP, play a lot of mid, and want to buy either kass or karma. Which one and why. Go. And thanks lol karma basically offers nothing past the laning phase except in extremely rare circumstances kassadin is the opposite, he gets crushed in laning then the rest of the game is easy cheesey for him you decide which you like | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On July 12 2012 09:28 Juddas wrote: Ok quick question. I have 3159 IP, play a lot of mid, and want to buy either kass or karma. Which one and why. Go. And thanks lol Kass, he's really good early/mid game and his stupid silence really fucks up a lot of ap mids. If you're not super high level you should be able to own with Kass since most people (including me) don't know how to beat him. | ||
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