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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 11 2012 21:54 GMT
#1181
On July 12 2012 06:52 TheYango wrote:
Do people really get Greed/Wealth on supports?

Those 2 masteries are so trashy. I don't understand why I see people do it.

I like the Gp10 one, this way with runes you start out with what almost 8gp10 at the beginning of the game? Plus the extra ward or pot you can get from the extra gold one is pretty good.

On July 12 2012 06:44 Eppa! wrote:
So how much have you spent on rp? I haven't spent anything yet. Micro transactions scare me. Who need to buy skins when you have king rammus!!!!!!!

I think i will get some soon for rune pages.


I wish I could count how much money i've spent on RP -_-.

cause its been alot
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 22:01:42
July 11 2012 21:58 GMT
#1182
On July 12 2012 06:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Extra GP10 is worth it. The starting gold... well...

0.5 gold/10 per point is absolutely awful efficiency for mastery points. Most of the flat stat mastery points that are actually worth taking give 40-50 gold worth of stats at the start of the game.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 11 2012 22:01 GMT
#1183
On July 12 2012 06:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Extra GP10 is worth it. The starting gold... well...

0.5 gold/10 per point is absolutely awful efficiency for mastery points.

unlike the other awesome utility masteries before tier 5!

oh...

wait...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
July 11 2012 22:03 GMT
#1184
On July 12 2012 06:52 TheYango wrote:
Do people really get Greed/Wealth on supports?

Those 2 masteries are so trashy. I don't understand why I see people do it.


Depends on the support, personally I like taking extra starting gold when the other team has an early ganking jungler like Alistar. It helps you deny junglers that need early ganks to be relevant mid to late game, and all for a few mastery points.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 22:12:02
July 11 2012 22:03 GMT
#1185
On July 12 2012 07:01 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:58 TheYango wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Extra GP10 is worth it. The starting gold... well...

0.5 gold/10 per point is absolutely awful efficiency for mastery points.

unlike the other awesome utility masteries before tier 5!

oh...

wait...

% XP gain, mana regen, and movement speed get you to tier 5. You don't really need to take any of the really trashy masteries to get there.

On July 12 2012 07:03 Agnosthar wrote:
Depends on the support, personally I like taking extra starting gold when the other team has an early ganking jungler like Alistar. It helps you deny junglers that need early ganks to be relevant mid to late game, and all for a few mastery points.

Because there's some unwritten rule that says you absolutely MUST start the game with a Faerie Charm, and you will trash your mastery setup just to follow that rule?
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 11 2012 22:08 GMT
#1186
On July 12 2012 07:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 07:01 Mogwai wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:58 TheYango wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Extra GP10 is worth it. The starting gold... well...

0.5 gold/10 per point is absolutely awful efficiency for mastery points.

unlike the other awesome utility masteries before tier 5!

oh...

wait...

% XP gain, mana regen, and movement speed get you to tier 5. You don't really need to take any of the really trashy masteries to get there.

% XP gain is very mediocre per point, as is movespeed.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 11 2012 22:10 GMT
#1187
I'd agree on % XP gain, but movespeed is extremely undervalued.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 22:13:51
July 11 2012 22:11 GMT
#1188
On July 12 2012 07:08 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 07:03 TheYango wrote:
On July 12 2012 07:01 Mogwai wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:58 TheYango wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Extra GP10 is worth it. The starting gold... well...

0.5 gold/10 per point is absolutely awful efficiency for mastery points.

unlike the other awesome utility masteries before tier 5!

oh...

wait...

% XP gain, mana regen, and movement speed get you to tier 5. You don't really need to take any of the really trashy masteries to get there.

% XP gain is very mediocre per point, as is movespeed.

% XP gain is sort of hard to judge properly. I feel it's better than Greed, but it's really hard to tell. In general I feel like a Support leveling up like 30 seconds sooner is a bigger deal than the support having 50-70 extra gold.

Looking back, I think I was probably a bit harsh on the comparison with movespeed, given that 1 gp10 per point vs. 1% MS (old Greed vs. old Swiftness) was close enough to be a playstyle preference, and both masteries got halved in effectiveness.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
July 11 2012 22:11 GMT
#1189
i love movespeed in utility. ofc the gold value may not be very high, but the difference in play (i.e. being able to lead up cc esp mid apz without having to flash esp on the ones without additional mobility such as TF) that it allows early heck all game is worth it imo. other stuff is a lot more easy to itemize for
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 11 2012 22:18 GMT
#1190
% XP gets you like really really fast lvl3 or 4 while jungling, too bad you miss out on a lot of good shit from the other trees if you take it.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 22:30:17
July 11 2012 22:22 GMT
#1191
On July 12 2012 07:18 JackDino wrote:
% XP gets you like really really fast lvl3 or 4 while jungling, too bad you miss out on a lot of good shit from the other trees if you take it.

% XP in jungle is either worthless or really good. The thing is, you don't get XP continuously in the jungle like you do in lane--you get it in discrete amounts given by each jungle camp--so the only time it's actually meaningful is if a specific amount of +%XP is paired with a specific route to allow you to hit a certain key level 1 camp sooner. An example of this was Warwick being able to hit 6 one Wraith camp sooner in the old jungle, but I don't think anyone's done those kind of optimizations with the new jungle.

Strictly speaking, you shouldn't actually perceive % XP giving you faster level 3/4, because at level 3/4 the XP mastery hasn't actually given you enough XP to be considered significant compared to the value of a jungle camp (it takes 1170 total experience to get to level 4, meaning that 5% XP is only giving you ~58 XP--about the value of 1 lane minion; by comparison the Wraith camp is worth 180 XP).
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 11 2012 22:28 GMT
#1192
On July 12 2012 07:01 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:58 TheYango wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Extra GP10 is worth it. The starting gold... well...

0.5 gold/10 per point is absolutely awful efficiency for mastery points.

unlike the other awesome utility masteries before tier 5!

oh...

wait...


This.

On Soraka and Janna it's probably ideal to just use 0-9-21 (CDR on exhaust and flash is very powerful); then we look at the other options for utility and..... yea.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
July 11 2012 22:29 GMT
#1193
On July 11 2012 23:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Steel can fix all your flaws.

Ze gluorius revolushunk iz coming to ze League. Champions beware, yes comrade Soniv?


On July 12 2012 06:52 TheYango wrote:
Do people really get Greed/Wealth on supports?

Those 2 masteries are so trashy. I don't understand why I see people do it.

I tend to go 0/16/14 on Supports to make it easier to engage in poke wars. The extra starting gold from Utility also lets you do funky double pink ward openings to shut down vision or multi-hpot openings. But it's probably not optimal on all supports. 0/9/21 with extra exp and stuff works well on all supports though.

On July 12 2012 06:54 arb wrote:
I wish I could count how much money i've spent on RP -_-.

cause its been alot

If you're willing to scare youself, you can submit a support ticket and ask for a total.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#1194
+XP on assists is really good on supports, % XP on supports is SOOOO bad. % of a low number is a low number. uhg, idk, I feel like there are so few now or never moments with level timings that % XP gain is worthwhile over just delaying the fight for your level or fucking dealing with being back a level.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#1195
On July 12 2012 07:29 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
I tend to go 0/16/14 on Supports to make it easier to engage in poke wars. The extra starting gold from Utility also lets you do funky double pink ward openings to shut down vision or multi-hpot openings. But it's probably not optimal on all supports. 0/9/21 with extra exp and stuff works well on all supports though.

I don't see the need for wasting mastery points on extra starting gold. "I get to start with an extra ward" is really driven by people unconsciously feeling that they NEED to start with a Faerie Charm, when in reality Faerie Charm's actual performance in lane is really poor. Everything that Faerie Charm does in those early levels can be accomplished with mana pots, and opening up 100+ gold from starting with mana pots instead of Faerie Charm opens up WAY more gold than the starting gold mastery.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 11 2012 22:35 GMT
#1196
On July 12 2012 07:29 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 23:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Steel can fix all your flaws.

Ze gluorius revolushunk iz coming to ze League. Champions beware, yes comrade Soniv?


Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:52 TheYango wrote:
Do people really get Greed/Wealth on supports?

Those 2 masteries are so trashy. I don't understand why I see people do it.

I tend to go 0/16/14 on Supports to make it easier to engage in poke wars. The extra starting gold from Utility also lets you do funky double pink ward openings to shut down vision or multi-hpot openings. But it's probably not optimal on all supports. 0/9/21 with extra exp and stuff works well on all supports though.

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:54 arb wrote:
I wish I could count how much money i've spent on RP -_-.

cause its been alot

If you're willing to scare youself, you can submit a support ticket and ask for a total.


I think on Soraka and Janna 0-9-21 should be standard. For offensive supports such as Alistar, Blitzcrank, Leona, and Taric, I run a mix of defense and utility when emphasis on movement speed. I also use MS quaints on these supports.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 11 2012 22:36 GMT
#1197
I get the starting gold mastery to get faster gold/10s.

I don't waste my starting gold on wards that I'm not even going to place before I buy my philo, I just open 1 pink, 1 green, 1 pot, and stockpile for early philo.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 22:43:17
July 11 2012 22:41 GMT
#1198
On July 12 2012 07:36 Mogwai wrote:
I get the starting gold mastery to get faster gold/10s.

I don't waste my starting gold on wards that I'm not even going to place before I buy my philo, I just open 1 pink, 1 green, 1 pot, and stockpile for early philo.

Even if you only placed 1 ward every 3 minutes, you're not going to get Philo gold off of natural gp10+runes/masteries by 6 minutes (the duration of 2 wards). And it's a huge gamble to have only 1 ward up at a given point in time.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 11 2012 22:43 GMT
#1199
On July 12 2012 07:29 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 23:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Steel can fix all your flaws.

Ze gluorius revolushunk iz coming to ze League. Champions beware, yes comrade Soniv?


Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:52 TheYango wrote:
Do people really get Greed/Wealth on supports?

Those 2 masteries are so trashy. I don't understand why I see people do it.

I tend to go 0/16/14 on Supports to make it easier to engage in poke wars. The extra starting gold from Utility also lets you do funky double pink ward openings to shut down vision or multi-hpot openings. But it's probably not optimal on all supports. 0/9/21 with extra exp and stuff works well on all supports though.

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:54 arb wrote:
I wish I could count how much money i've spent on RP -_-.

cause its been alot

If you're willing to scare youself, you can submit a support ticket and ask for a total.

Gonna do it

dont even give a shit
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 22:46:33
July 11 2012 22:44 GMT
#1200
On July 12 2012 07:41 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 07:36 Mogwai wrote:
I get the starting gold mastery to get faster gold/10s.

I don't waste my starting gold on wards that I'm not even going to place before I buy my philo, I just open 1 pink, 1 green, 1 pot, and stockpile for early philo.

Even if you only placed 1 ward every 3 minutes, you're not going to get Philo gold off of natural gp10+runes/masteries by 6 minutes (the duration of 2 wards). And it's a huge gamble to have only 1 ward up at a given point in time.

yea, ok, so here's the trick, literally no one ganks bot for the first 4 minutes of the game these days. it's always warded. so, break the meta time, cut a corner and say fuck it, don't ward, they don't gank, voila, profit, you hit reverie mad early.

EDIT: also steal cs that your carry was gonna miss anyway, that's like, 10 cs every 5 minutes because people suck.
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