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On July 10 2012 09:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um. No.
The difference between 1500 and 1900 is hilarious. People are still atrocious at 1900 (Hotbaz, Rincent, etc.), but to say 1500 and 1900 are essentially the same is just completely false.
Nah I'm 1413 but I should be 1900; my teammates just suck.
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On July 10 2012 11:38 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 09:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um. No.
The difference between 1500 and 1900 is hilarious. People are still atrocious at 1900 (Hotbaz, Rincent, etc.), but to say 1500 and 1900 are essentially the same is just completely false. There's a difference between a troll and a bad player. Rincent is a really good player but a huge troll. That said Hotbaz is awful but with 3400 games you will eventually peak at a certain Elo. He's down to 1700 now though np.
Rincent was one of the first guys to realize jungle mundo was a beast too, which is cool
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On July 10 2012 11:42 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 11:38 HazMat wrote:On July 10 2012 09:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um. No.
The difference between 1500 and 1900 is hilarious. People are still atrocious at 1900 (Hotbaz, Rincent, etc.), but to say 1500 and 1900 are essentially the same is just completely false. There's a difference between a troll and a bad player. Rincent is a really good player but a huge troll. That said Hotbaz is awful but with 3400 games you will eventually peak at a certain Elo. He's down to 1700 now though np. Rincent was one of the first guys to realize jungle mundo was a beast too, which is cool
This.
I've got a lot of respect to innovative players. Guys like Rincent, Stanley, etc. Keep things fresh obv.
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-250 elo since I begun playing again, god this is hard to come back to LoL :o
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On July 10 2012 11:50 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 11:42 sob3k wrote:On July 10 2012 11:38 HazMat wrote:On July 10 2012 09:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um. No.
The difference between 1500 and 1900 is hilarious. People are still atrocious at 1900 (Hotbaz, Rincent, etc.), but to say 1500 and 1900 are essentially the same is just completely false. There's a difference between a troll and a bad player. Rincent is a really good player but a huge troll. That said Hotbaz is awful but with 3400 games you will eventually peak at a certain Elo. He's down to 1700 now though np. Rincent was one of the first guys to realize jungle mundo was a beast too, which is cool This. I've got a lot of respect to innovative players. Guys like Rincent, Stanley, etc. Keep things fresh obv.
Except I don't have respect for trolls and intentional feeders, so fuck Rincent.
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On July 10 2012 11:50 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 11:42 sob3k wrote:On July 10 2012 11:38 HazMat wrote:On July 10 2012 09:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um. No.
The difference between 1500 and 1900 is hilarious. People are still atrocious at 1900 (Hotbaz, Rincent, etc.), but to say 1500 and 1900 are essentially the same is just completely false. There's a difference between a troll and a bad player. Rincent is a really good player but a huge troll. That said Hotbaz is awful but with 3400 games you will eventually peak at a certain Elo. He's down to 1700 now though np. Rincent was one of the first guys to realize jungle mundo was a beast too, which is cool This. I've got a lot of respect to innovative players. Guys like Rincent, Stanley, etc. Keep things fresh obv.
Wasn't Rincent also the solo top twitch guy?
If yes, he's my hero. So many first bloods thanks to that dude.
PS: I always thought his name should have been Rincewind. That would make soniv happy, too.
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On July 10 2012 11:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 11:50 NeoIllusions wrote:On July 10 2012 11:42 sob3k wrote:On July 10 2012 11:38 HazMat wrote:On July 10 2012 09:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um. No.
The difference between 1500 and 1900 is hilarious. People are still atrocious at 1900 (Hotbaz, Rincent, etc.), but to say 1500 and 1900 are essentially the same is just completely false. There's a difference between a troll and a bad player. Rincent is a really good player but a huge troll. That said Hotbaz is awful but with 3400 games you will eventually peak at a certain Elo. He's down to 1700 now though np. Rincent was one of the first guys to realize jungle mundo was a beast too, which is cool This. I've got a lot of respect to innovative players. Guys like Rincent, Stanley, etc. Keep things fresh obv. Except I don't have respect for trolls and intentional feeders, so fuck Rincent.
I've never played with Rincent but I tend to keep things compartmentalized. Rincent could be a douchebag but Mundo is my top 3 Junglers now. So credit due.
@r.Evo: yeah, same guy
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Played Jungle Nunu on a whim, having never played him before (once at like, level 4 when I first got him). Easiest jungle I've done, by far. Easier than WW, just eat shit and last forever in the jungle, sprint into lanes and slow things, and then ult teamfights even if you don't get it all off thanks to the damage change. He's so blindingly simple and good that it makes me want to not play all the ones that actually require any amount of finesse.
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On July 10 2012 12:16 Requizen wrote: Played Jungle Nunu on a whim, having never played him before (once at like, level 4 when I first got him). Easiest jungle I've done, by far. Easier than WW, just eat shit and last forever in the jungle, sprint into lanes and slow things, and then ult teamfights even if you don't get it all off thanks to the damage change. He's so blindingly simple and good that it makes me want to not play all the ones that actually require any amount of finesse.
I daresay I'd recommend Nunu now, over Warwick, to newcoming Junglers. Dem buffs this last patch were pretty big.
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On July 10 2012 12:24 NeoIllusions wrote: I daresay I'd recommend Nunu now, over Warwick, to newcoming Junglers. Dem buffs this last patch were pretty big. I've recommended Nunu as a starting jungler over Warwick for a long time--Warwick was "easier" but Nunu has a more well-rounded kit for learning basic aspects of jungling.
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Warwick, imo, is actually one of the harder junglers to make work consistently because ganking with him pre-6 is probably the hardest out of all the junglers out there - and you need to know when you can/have to pull it off anyway. He's just "easy" if none of your lanes are in trouble/hard to gank and the enemy jungle accepts a farmgame.
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On July 10 2012 12:35 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 12:24 NeoIllusions wrote: I daresay I'd recommend Nunu now, over Warwick, to newcoming Junglers. Dem buffs this last patch were pretty big. I've recommended Nunu as a starting jungler over Warwick for a long time--Warwick was "easier" but Nunu has a more well-rounded kit for learning basic aspects of jungling. It's straightforward, but support-y enough to still work well in the late game. You basically get to change fights into 5.5v4.5 with BB on your AD and Snowball and tanky diving theirs, especially when there's minions around to nom. I really like it more than I thought I would for an older champ.
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Hmm, I recommend WW because his ulti is conducive to ganks. Nunu's kit is better for straight up jungling but it's just so efficient now and Nunu's teamfight has so much more potential with new ulti.
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I am scared to play after 9days without playing TT
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I don't think either warwick or nunu are really representative of what a jungler should be. Neither has good ganks at early levels. In fact without red on Warwick, you normally don't have any CC. Nunu has his E, so he at least can gank early on (but in my experience he lacks damage). I also feel like nunu needs to counterjungle to be effective. There's no such thing as a perfect jungler to get started with. Both warwick and nunu are fine because they have an easy time sustaining themselves in the jungle and they aren't reliant on blue buff so they don't suffer from getting invaded. Most new junglers are concerned they won't be able to sustain themselves. Other sustainy junglers include trundle and I think cho'gath to a degree. Sion sustains his health quite well throughout but his shield and ult cost quite a bit of mana.
I personally ended up trying all sorts of junglers, jungling everything I could get. We jungle enthusiasts have all probably jungled heimer before (in a bot game?). I think my first junglers were nunu and sion, but then I transitioned to kayle and nothing else has been as interesting.
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On July 10 2012 13:22 obesechicken13 wrote: I don't think either warwick or nunu are really representative of what a jungler should be. Neither has good ganks at early levels. In fact without red on Warwick, you normally don't have any CC. Nunu has his E, so he at least can gank early on (but in my experience he lacks damage). I also feel like nunu needs to counterjungle to be effective. There's no such thing as a perfect jungler to get started with. Both warwick and nunu are fine because they have an easy time sustaining themselves in the jungle and they aren't reliant on blue buff so they don't suffer from getting invaded. Most new junglers are concerned they won't be able to sustain themselves. Other sustainy junglers include trundle and I think cho'gath to a degree. Sion sustains his health quite well throughout but his shield and ult cost quite a bit of mana.
I personally ended up trying all sorts of junglers, jungling everything I could get. We jungle enthusiasts have all probably jungled heimer before (in a bot game?). I think my first junglers were nunu and sion, but then I transitioned to kayle and nothing else has been as interesting. lol
Snowball+Blood Boil ganks not good enough apparently.
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On July 10 2012 13:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 13:22 obesechicken13 wrote: I don't think either warwick or nunu are really representative of what a jungler should be. Neither has good ganks at early levels. In fact without red on Warwick, you normally don't have any CC. Nunu has his E, so he at least can gank early on (but in my experience he lacks damage). I also feel like nunu needs to counterjungle to be effective. There's no such thing as a perfect jungler to get started with. Both warwick and nunu are fine because they have an easy time sustaining themselves in the jungle and they aren't reliant on blue buff so they don't suffer from getting invaded. Most new junglers are concerned they won't be able to sustain themselves. Other sustainy junglers include trundle and I think cho'gath to a degree. Sion sustains his health quite well throughout but his shield and ult cost quite a bit of mana.
I personally ended up trying all sorts of junglers, jungling everything I could get. We jungle enthusiasts have all probably jungled heimer before (in a bot game?). I think my first junglers were nunu and sion, but then I transitioned to kayle and nothing else has been as interesting. lol Snowball+Blood Boil ganks not good enough apparently. I like kayle. Ranged attacks and slow
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On July 10 2012 13:22 obesechicken13 wrote: I personally ended up trying all sorts of junglers, jungling everything I could get. We jungle enthusiasts have all probably jungled heimer before (in a bot game?). I think my first junglers were nunu and sion, but then I transitioned to kayle and nothing else has been as interesting. Lol i was shocked when heimer could clear as fast as a lot of junglers at full hp. and with long range and a 1.5 second stun his ganks aren't terrible as long as you aim properly. too fun and definitely can't fit into the current support-tank heavy jungle.
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On July 10 2012 13:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 13:22 obesechicken13 wrote: I don't think either warwick or nunu are really representative of what a jungler should be. Neither has good ganks at early levels. In fact without red on Warwick, you normally don't have any CC. Nunu has his E, so he at least can gank early on (but in my experience he lacks damage). I also feel like nunu needs to counterjungle to be effective. There's no such thing as a perfect jungler to get started with. Both warwick and nunu are fine because they have an easy time sustaining themselves in the jungle and they aren't reliant on blue buff so they don't suffer from getting invaded. Most new junglers are concerned they won't be able to sustain themselves. Other sustainy junglers include trundle and I think cho'gath to a degree. Sion sustains his health quite well throughout but his shield and ult cost quite a bit of mana.
I personally ended up trying all sorts of junglers, jungling everything I could get. We jungle enthusiasts have all probably jungled heimer before (in a bot game?). I think my first junglers were nunu and sion, but then I transitioned to kayle and nothing else has been as interesting. lol Snowball+Blood Boil ganks not good enough apparently.
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Reason why Nunu and WW are suggested is because they have top notch sustain and good ganks. Not sure in what world you're on obesechickn13, that you would suggest Trundle, Cho and even Sion over the previously mentioned two.
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im looking for a jungler to theroycraft maybe do some tests with.
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