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Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
July 15 2012 01:06 GMT
#1981
On July 15 2012 09:56 Mystogun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 09:55 Lorken wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:37 arb wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:34 Lorken wrote:
There's a guy arguing with me on Facebook saying Tristana's W is broken, her E should be able to toggle the passive and her R shouldn't knockback. I am at a loss for words. Any suggestions on what to say? The one thing he said that sounded sane was that she should have some AD ratios, it would be nice but I don't think it's necessary for her and would probably just break her.

Being able to toggle her e would be pretty awesome, not gonna lie


I think it would just make it more clumsy/cluttered. How would you even toggle it? It's rather unnecessary as well I think. Think about it, how would she make her bullets explode on minute and not explode the next?


When you think about how much easier it will be to lane/not push, toggling sounds great, but I think it's just a part of what makes trist. Players learn how to use it, and the added difficulty and nuances make the champion cooler imo.

That's what I was thinking! I suggested he play Caitlyn because it sounds like he wants Tristana to be her.
LOUD NOISES!!!
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
July 15 2012 01:10 GMT
#1982
Trist is an old champion, back when AP literally meant Ability Power Scaling and no-one had AD ratios. Now everyone and their pet has an AD ratio... >.>

That being said however, it's not necessarily a bad thing Trist is all AP ratios. That she is still a competitive AD Carry in-spite of all of this is testament to the fact. Giving her AD ratios would necessitate toning down a lot of her W+E+R and that'd make me sad.

Re Trist Abilities: W is a jump which acts as an escape move. You can use it to clean up fights rapidly in early-mid game but risk dying for it. Late game is all about repositioning constantly and snowballing through repositioning over damage. E is lane anti-heal, free harass from splash and a good Trist player knows how to work around the inherent pushing factor. R is lvl 6 wtf burst (I just use it to execute people lol) and mid-late game it's a free CC/peel that's now affected by tenacity. It's pretty amazing. And everything fits into her theme of rockets.

Lorken, ask your friend. If he remade Tristana what would he do. And make sure it's realistic. It's kinda hard to change something that isn't broke and identifies so strongly with such an old champion.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 01:11:55
July 15 2012 01:10 GMT
#1983
Sorry for the repost. Last post was bottom and many may not see.

Hey guys there a nice little tournament someone is organizing for 1600 elo and below players.(never been above 1700) Seems like no prize but there might be a victorious Ryze, not sure. I'm 1500 something elo and would love to find some others here to play with. Let me know if there is any interest, could be fun.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2357172

Edit: The prizes include RP for top 4 team and triumphant Ryze so its a great opportunity. The seedings is based on average elo so nearer to 1600 elo might be advantageous.

Aug 11/12
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 15 2012 01:12 GMT
#1984
On July 15 2012 10:04 Feartheguru wrote:
Hey guys there a nice little tournament someone is organizing for 1600 elo and below players.(never been above 1700) Seems like no prize but there might be a victorious Ryze, not sure. I'm 1500 something elo and would love to find some others here to play with. Let me know if there is any interest, could be fun.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2357172

Edit: The prizes include RP for top 4 team and triumphant Ryze so its a great opportunity. The seedings is based on average elo so nearer to 1600 elo might be advantageous.

I'm 1540 max if you'd like to maybe start a team of some kind!
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
July 15 2012 01:15 GMT
#1985
On July 15 2012 10:12 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 10:04 Feartheguru wrote:
Hey guys there a nice little tournament someone is organizing for 1600 elo and below players.(never been above 1700) Seems like no prize but there might be a victorious Ryze, not sure. I'm 1500 something elo and would love to find some others here to play with. Let me know if there is any interest, could be fun.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2357172

Edit: The prizes include RP for top 4 team and triumphant Ryze so its a great opportunity. The seedings is based on average elo so nearer to 1600 elo might be advantageous.

I'm 1540 max if you'd like to maybe start a team of some kind!


Ya that'd be awesome. Add me thorzain oo in game (ya lame name, was a smurf forgot the password to my main after a hiatus) hopefully we can get a whole team together.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 15 2012 01:21 GMT
#1986
On July 15 2012 09:39 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 09:34 Lorken wrote:
There's a guy arguing with me on Facebook saying Tristana's W is broken, her E should be able to toggle the passive and her R shouldn't knockback. I am at a loss for words. Any suggestions on what to say? The one thing he said that sounded sane was that she should have some AD ratios, it would be nice but I don't think it's necessary for her and would probably just break her.


If Trist had AD ratios she would be the best AD in the game bar none lol


I think Riot can reduce her AP ration on her R and give it some AD ratio. Currently her high AP ratio on her R simply causes something called "AP trist".
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
July 15 2012 01:23 GMT
#1987
On July 15 2012 10:21 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 09:39 schmutttt wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:34 Lorken wrote:
There's a guy arguing with me on Facebook saying Tristana's W is broken, her E should be able to toggle the passive and her R shouldn't knockback. I am at a loss for words. Any suggestions on what to say? The one thing he said that sounded sane was that she should have some AD ratios, it would be nice but I don't think it's necessary for her and would probably just break her.


If Trist had AD ratios she would be the best AD in the game bar none lol


I think Riot can reduce her AP ration on her R and give it some AD ratio. Currently her high AP ratio on her R simply causes something called "AP trist".


Not sure about killing a viable build just to make the AD version a bit better. If anything they can just add the ratio.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 15 2012 01:28 GMT
#1988
On July 15 2012 10:23 Feartheguru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 10:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:39 schmutttt wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:34 Lorken wrote:
There's a guy arguing with me on Facebook saying Tristana's W is broken, her E should be able to toggle the passive and her R shouldn't knockback. I am at a loss for words. Any suggestions on what to say? The one thing he said that sounded sane was that she should have some AD ratios, it would be nice but I don't think it's necessary for her and would probably just break her.


If Trist had AD ratios she would be the best AD in the game bar none lol


I think Riot can reduce her AP ration on her R and give it some AD ratio. Currently her high AP ratio on her R simply causes something called "AP trist".


Not sure about killing a viable build just to make the AD version a bit better. If anything they can just add the ratio.


When a single champion can play two different roles it's almost always problematic.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17305 Posts
July 15 2012 01:33 GMT
#1989
Not "almost". ALWAYS.
twitch.tv/cratonz
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 15 2012 01:34 GMT
#1990
On July 15 2012 10:28 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 10:23 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 15 2012 10:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:39 schmutttt wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:34 Lorken wrote:
There's a guy arguing with me on Facebook saying Tristana's W is broken, her E should be able to toggle the passive and her R shouldn't knockback. I am at a loss for words. Any suggestions on what to say? The one thing he said that sounded sane was that she should have some AD ratios, it would be nice but I don't think it's necessary for her and would probably just break her.


If Trist had AD ratios she would be the best AD in the game bar none lol


I think Riot can reduce her AP ration on her R and give it some AD ratio. Currently her high AP ratio on her R simply causes something called "AP trist".


Not sure about killing a viable build just to make the AD version a bit better. If anything they can just add the ratio.


When a single champion can play two different roles it's almost always problematic.



Like Udyr, Shen, Lulu, Kog, Olaf.........?
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 01:41:25
July 15 2012 01:41 GMT
#1991
On July 15 2012 10:34 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 10:28 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 15 2012 10:23 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 15 2012 10:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:39 schmutttt wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:34 Lorken wrote:
There's a guy arguing with me on Facebook saying Tristana's W is broken, her E should be able to toggle the passive and her R shouldn't knockback. I am at a loss for words. Any suggestions on what to say? The one thing he said that sounded sane was that she should have some AD ratios, it would be nice but I don't think it's necessary for her and would probably just break her.


If Trist had AD ratios she would be the best AD in the game bar none lol


I think Riot can reduce her AP ration on her R and give it some AD ratio. Currently her high AP ratio on her R simply causes something called "AP trist".


Not sure about killing a viable build just to make the AD version a bit better. If anything they can just add the ratio.


When a single champion can play two different roles it's almost always problematic.



Like Udyr, Shen, Lulu, Kog, Olaf.........?


Like how Lulu and Kog got nerfed. Almost all top laners can jungle because of how top lane works, unfortunately.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
July 15 2012 01:42 GMT
#1992
On July 15 2012 10:28 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 10:23 Feartheguru wrote:
On July 15 2012 10:21 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:39 schmutttt wrote:
On July 15 2012 09:34 Lorken wrote:
There's a guy arguing with me on Facebook saying Tristana's W is broken, her E should be able to toggle the passive and her R shouldn't knockback. I am at a loss for words. Any suggestions on what to say? The one thing he said that sounded sane was that she should have some AD ratios, it would be nice but I don't think it's necessary for her and would probably just break her.


If Trist had AD ratios she would be the best AD in the game bar none lol


I think Riot can reduce her AP ration on her R and give it some AD ratio. Currently her high AP ratio on her R simply causes something called "AP trist".


Not sure about killing a viable build just to make the AD version a bit better. If anything they can just add the ratio.


When a single champion can play two different roles it's almost always problematic.

I wouldn't say so, Kog can play both AD and AP incredibly well, so can Sion and even Tristana (although AP falls off past level 10-11 if you don't get incredibly fed) and probably a few more can do so as well effectively.
LOUD NOISES!!!
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 15 2012 01:44 GMT
#1993
Zyra feels really safe to me. I honestly can't think of a single champion that can stop her from farming. That range is huge.

I dont know if she OP, because it hard to get her damage off against a competent player, but her teamfighting is obnoxious. EWW to root half their team then press R and spam Q. So much AoE damage with an AoE slow, and then their whole team is knocked up.

That being said, it hard to get a good grasp of how good she is because every game I've played on the PBE has been with players who apparently have never played the game before. Win every game in 20 minutes and have the next highest farm behind mine be like 40 CS.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 15 2012 01:48 GMT
#1994
oh hey i forgot to mention but.... i totally got that job at BioWare. thx for the support when i said i had an interview, love u guys :D
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 01:55:03
July 15 2012 01:51 GMT
#1995
On July 15 2012 10:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh hey i forgot to mention but.... i totally got that job at BioWare. thx for the support when i said i had an interview, love u guys :D

So you're here in Edmonton now? Or one of their other offices?

Also congrats!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 15 2012 01:53 GMT
#1996
On July 15 2012 10:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh hey i forgot to mention but.... i totally got that job at BioWare. thx for the support when i said i had an interview, love u guys :D

Congratulations!
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
July 15 2012 02:06 GMT
#1997
Congratulations Sir! I hope the best for you.

As far as Zyra is concerned I can already tell she's going to be one of those annoying to gank ap mids as that slow/root of hers is just beastly long and painfully bothersome to avoid without catching her with it on cooldown. I honestly feel she's going to just crush people in teamfights with the right setup of that root + ult size. I don't look forward to trying to contest a dragon with her on the other team that's certain.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 02:16:23
July 15 2012 02:13 GMT
#1998
On July 15 2012 10:51 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 10:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh hey i forgot to mention but.... i totally got that job at BioWare. thx for the support when i said i had an interview, love u guys :D

So you're here in Edmonton now? Or one of their other offices?

Also congrats!


Now? Edmonton is home buddy Oilers rule flames drool

so yeah i work at the edmonton studio lol, home of ME and Dragon Age
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 15 2012 02:14 GMT
#1999
Grats FakeSteve! What are you doing there?

On a side note, I played Amumu for the first time jungling in ranked and rolled. Man is that guy lulzy.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 15 2012 02:17 GMT
#2000
On July 15 2012 10:15 Feartheguru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 10:12 arb wrote:
On July 15 2012 10:04 Feartheguru wrote:
Hey guys there a nice little tournament someone is organizing for 1600 elo and below players.(never been above 1700) Seems like no prize but there might be a victorious Ryze, not sure. I'm 1500 something elo and would love to find some others here to play with. Let me know if there is any interest, could be fun.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2357172

Edit: The prizes include RP for top 4 team and triumphant Ryze so its a great opportunity. The seedings is based on average elo so nearer to 1600 elo might be advantageous.

I'm 1540 max if you'd like to maybe start a team of some kind!


Ya that'd be awesome. Add me thorzain oo in game (ya lame name, was a smurf forgot the password to my main after a hiatus) hopefully we can get a whole team together.

i can play for you guys that weekend if you'd like. 1520 is my max and current
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