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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 17 2012 22:08 GMT
#1941
On June 18 2012 06:43 mordek wrote:
I've struggled with ranged AD but Graves is just easy to play. Using smoke wisely can take skill but he's simple other than that.


I actually think the easiest ADC is Caitlyn. Good poke, not vulnerable to mistakes (E), fantastic range, and a steroid (although weak) that is always on.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 22:10:51
June 17 2012 22:10 GMT
#1942
I just feel like Graves is a bit more forgiving than some other AD's in certain situations. He's still squishy, but the difference between 30 armor/mr (after a few seconds of being in a fight, and Graves being a high enough level) can save him from certain levels of burst. He's also got really easy harass with max Q. I don't think he's overpowered such that Graves can suddenly do really well, he just has a slightly different playstyle from Cait so someone whose playstyle meshes with Graves will be able to pick him up faster. Also he has a lot of burst which obviously sacrifices for sustained dps so his KDA isn't really representative of his impact.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
June 17 2012 22:12 GMT
#1943
Isn't Caitlyn actually really hard to use properly only Doublelift can use her? Because yeah she does fine in lane, but you really need to shut the other AD carry down in lane because the other AD carry will bring more in team fights. So you have to constantly manage your harass and cs. If you're even with Caitlyn in lane you're winning. These things I hear over and over again.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
June 17 2012 22:13 GMT
#1944
No cait is juts not very good anymore, that's why no one plays her. When she was actually good lots of people played her, she isn't very hard to play either.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 17 2012 22:17 GMT
#1945
On June 18 2012 07:12 BlackMagister wrote:
Isn't Caitlyn actually really hard to use properly only Doublelift can use her? Because yeah she does fine in lane, but you really need to shut the other AD carry down in lane because the other AD carry will bring more in team fights. So you have to constantly manage your harass and cs. If you're even with Caitlyn in lane you're winning. These things I hear over and over again.


How is it hard to shut the other ADC down when you can easily win the lane as Caitlyn against practically all other ADCs?

Her problem is her weak steroid and late-game scaling. Meanwhile, she stomps the lane hard. Fantastic for soloQ.

I think pros do not play her because in coordinated teams, it's much easier to run other, "less-forgiving" ADCs which are also more powerful
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 17 2012 22:18 GMT
#1946
On June 18 2012 07:08 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:43 mordek wrote:
I've struggled with ranged AD but Graves is just easy to play. Using smoke wisely can take skill but he's simple other than that.


I actually think the easiest ADC is Caitlyn. Good poke, not vulnerable to mistakes (E), fantastic range, and a steroid (although weak) that is always on.


I feel like Caitlyn should be the easiest... however my experience with SoloQueue tells me otherwise.

I think Caitlyn is the AD that allows you to showcase your mechanics the best. If you are mechanically superior to the enemy AD and you are playing Cait you will win lane regardless of your support/jungler/any other factors.... You would be surprised how many Caits I see just get hard engaged on and die horribly though.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 17 2012 22:26 GMT
#1947
On June 18 2012 07:18 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 07:08 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:43 mordek wrote:
I've struggled with ranged AD but Graves is just easy to play. Using smoke wisely can take skill but he's simple other than that.


I actually think the easiest ADC is Caitlyn. Good poke, not vulnerable to mistakes (E), fantastic range, and a steroid (although weak) that is always on.


I feel like Caitlyn should be the easiest... however my experience with SoloQueue tells me otherwise.

I think Caitlyn is the AD that allows you to showcase your mechanics the best. If you are mechanically superior to the enemy AD and you are playing Cait you will win lane regardless of your support/jungler/any other factors.... You would be surprised how many Caits I see just get hard engaged on and die horribly though.


So that's roughly how I see Caitlyn as well. In soloQ teams with bad support, Caitlyn really shines because she is well-rounded. Pros do not like well-rounded things though as they typically prefer emphasis on certain aspects.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 17 2012 22:29 GMT
#1948
What I've been saying since Sona got nerfed from "strong everywhere, too much compared to specialists" to "all-around mediocre". T_T
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
June 17 2012 22:32 GMT
#1949
On June 18 2012 07:05 mcimba42 wrote:
riot is generally just really shitty

they have a cool game and all, and their business model and community interaction is pretty nice, but in terms of actually doing work they're really fucking horrible. i guess it's to be expected, all they've done is turn a wc3 mod into a standalone game, it happened to be really successful but they were never a major company

Are you being serious?
currently rooting for myself.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 17 2012 22:39 GMT
#1950
On June 18 2012 07:29 Alaric wrote:
What I've been saying since Sona got nerfed from "strong everywhere, too much compared to specialists" to "all-around mediocre". T_T

The thing is, Riot also kind of shies away from the specialists being too good at what they specialize in as well (see the issues with someone like Leblanc or Pantheon). So in that sense, things are pretty generalized as well, which is why the real all-rounders are in an awkward place.

Among the competitively-used champions, there aren't any super-lopsided kits where someone is really bad at something. The all-rounders are stuck in an awkward place then because being good at everything is OP, and being ok at everything isn't good enough because everyone is ok at everything.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 17 2012 22:40 GMT
#1951
On June 18 2012 07:26 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 07:18 iCanada wrote:
On June 18 2012 07:08 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:43 mordek wrote:
I've struggled with ranged AD but Graves is just easy to play. Using smoke wisely can take skill but he's simple other than that.


I actually think the easiest ADC is Caitlyn. Good poke, not vulnerable to mistakes (E), fantastic range, and a steroid (although weak) that is always on.


I feel like Caitlyn should be the easiest... however my experience with SoloQueue tells me otherwise.

I think Caitlyn is the AD that allows you to showcase your mechanics the best. If you are mechanically superior to the enemy AD and you are playing Cait you will win lane regardless of your support/jungler/any other factors.... You would be surprised how many Caits I see just get hard engaged on and die horribly though.


So that's roughly how I see Caitlyn as well. In soloQ teams with bad support, Caitlyn really shines because she is well-rounded. Pros do not like well-rounded things though as they typically prefer emphasis on certain aspects.


I dunno, I still think she is really strong. She just requires you to be better than the other AD. Hence why only Doublelift can play her well at the pro level.

A good Cait is a nightmare to lane against and doesn't fall off nearly as hard as say an Urgot.

I also think her lategame is really strong, second only to like Trist or maybe Kog. Even someone like me who plays Junglers/Top laners almost exclusively I have no problems positioning myself in a teamfight and escaping people who dive me while shooting things the whole time.

Her ult also a surprisingly strong initiate/cleanup tool too.
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 17 2012 22:47 GMT
#1952
On June 18 2012 07:32 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 07:05 mcimba42 wrote:
riot is generally just really shitty

they have a cool game and all, and their business model and community interaction is pretty nice, but in terms of actually doing work they're really fucking horrible. i guess it's to be expected, all they've done is turn a wc3 mod into a standalone game, it happened to be really successful but they were never a major company

Are you being serious?

no man that was a comedy act, i've been practicing all week

yes, i'm serious. riot made a game and it got popular, now they got really big, but they still don't work as a major company should. anyone can tell you that lol is poorly coded and generally has a ton of really dumb problems that no game this big should possibly have after all these years
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 22:49:46
June 17 2012 22:49 GMT
#1953
On June 18 2012 07:47 mcimba42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 07:32 Shiv. wrote:
On June 18 2012 07:05 mcimba42 wrote:
riot is generally just really shitty

they have a cool game and all, and their business model and community interaction is pretty nice, but in terms of actually doing work they're really fucking horrible. i guess it's to be expected, all they've done is turn a wc3 mod into a standalone game, it happened to be really successful but they were never a major company

Are you being serious?

no man that was a comedy act, i've been practicing all week

yes, i'm serious. riot made a game and it got popular, now they got really big, but they still don't work as a major company should. anyone can tell you that lol is poorly coded and generally has a ton of really dumb problems that no game this big should possibly have after all these years

I could name you D3 that has even worse problems and pretty much every mmo out there, atleast league is f2p.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 17 2012 22:51 GMT
#1954
On June 18 2012 07:47 mcimba42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 07:32 Shiv. wrote:
On June 18 2012 07:05 mcimba42 wrote:
riot is generally just really shitty

they have a cool game and all, and their business model and community interaction is pretty nice, but in terms of actually doing work they're really fucking horrible. i guess it's to be expected, all they've done is turn a wc3 mod into a standalone game, it happened to be really successful but they were never a major company

Are you being serious?

no man that was a comedy act, i've been practicing all week

yes, i'm serious. riot made a game and it got popular, now they got really big, but they still don't work as a major company should. anyone can tell you that lol is poorly coded and generally has a ton of really dumb problems that no game this big should possibly have after all these years

Dohoho
Tell that to Blizzard/Bioware/any big video game company
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Raisauce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada864 Posts
June 17 2012 22:55 GMT
#1955
Oh my God...I feel so sorry for Riot. I lost a few brain cells reading the Server Status thread. I try to avoid the official LoL forums but I didn't know the community was this bad...it's despicable.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
June 17 2012 22:57 GMT
#1956
GESL Finals finally starting. Only 360 resolution though T_T
http://www.twitch.tv/team/gesl
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 17 2012 22:57 GMT
#1957
just look at what happened to the servers today, for absolutely no reason

when was the last time that happened with b.net? except on the launch of one of the most anticipated games of the last few years?

cmon guys, lol is fun, but would you seriously defend the lobby client we have right now, for example?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22239 Posts
June 17 2012 22:58 GMT
#1958
Yes LoL's coding is bad. Yes it gives Riot way more problems then they like but the thing is that they didnt build this game to become the biggest game in existance, it just happend to happen as is so often the case. Now there stuck with a badly coded game and you say no one would have it after so many years and I tell you thats just not how game engines work.

They can fix LoL's code. but the work will take a long time. Not much less then it took to build the game in the first place. Thats so much time spend with no profit coming from it since its a f2p game.

End of the day the money there bad code costs is nothing compared to the costs of fixing it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 23:03:55
June 17 2012 23:02 GMT
#1959
On June 18 2012 07:57 mcimba42 wrote:
just look at what happened to the servers today, for absolutely no reason

when was the last time that happened with b.net? except on the launch of one of the most anticipated games of the last few years?

cmon guys, lol is fun, but would you seriously defend the lobby client we have right now, for example?

Most anticipated game of the last few years, rich company, still isn't prepared properly. That's really fucking pathetic for a company as big as blizzard. Random server maintenance on a sunday. MMO's having random maintenances in weekends(tera for example). Extended maintenance etc etc.
Riot usually does a good job with their maintenance, sometimes it's extended but more often than not they're ahead of time.
The client does suck real hard though, but other than that shit like that happens. It's not as easy to manage all dem servers as you think.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 17 2012 23:13 GMT
#1960
but that's what i'm saying? riot does generally poorly at these things because they were not a major company and were not prepared for this? relax guys i'm not hating on riot no need for the white knights to come in their aid
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