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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
June 16 2012 17:11 GMT
#1701
On June 17 2012 02:01 Sermokala wrote:
http://pastebin.com/zpiZNWL0

anybody else see this? seems like they're going to try and make stealth champs and skills viable again.

Notes look fake. Especially the Oracle change when they're specifically stated strongly disliking things that promote griefing like that.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
June 16 2012 17:28 GMT
#1702
On June 17 2012 02:09 hasuprotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 02:01 Sermokala wrote:
http://pastebin.com/zpiZNWL0

anybody else see this? seems like they're going to try and make stealth champs and skills viable again.


Ehh... I think that's more for those long positioning things at Baron. Now it'll just be a battle of the pinkwards. Also, this really hurts junglers getting an early oracles and clearing wards for ganks T_T.


I think it nurfs snowballing a little. Early oracles because the jungler got a gank is really strong and completely shifts the way the game is played. I can't say how I feel about the change yet, but I don't think it will be terrible.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 16 2012 17:29 GMT
#1703
The new oracle change sounds retarded, 150 gold/2mins? By the time you recall and buy it and go to the area you want to clear wards half of it will be gone.
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Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
June 16 2012 17:33 GMT
#1704
On June 17 2012 02:29 MooMooMugi wrote:
The new oracle change sounds retarded, 150 gold/2mins? By the time you recall and buy it and go to the area you want to clear wards half of it will be gone.


You probably shouldn't activate it before you are at a spot you need it. Late game when you have 6 items or 5 + wards it's retarded tho.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 16 2012 17:34 GMT
#1705
On June 17 2012 02:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 02:09 hasuprotoss wrote:
On June 17 2012 02:01 Sermokala wrote:
http://pastebin.com/zpiZNWL0

anybody else see this? seems like they're going to try and make stealth champs and skills viable again.


Ehh... I think that's more for those long positioning things at Baron. Now it'll just be a battle of the pinkwards. Also, this really hurts junglers getting an early oracles and clearing wards for ganks T_T.


I think it nurfs snowballing a little. Early oracles because the jungler got a gank is really strong and completely shifts the way the game is played. I can't say how I feel about the change yet, but I don't think it will be terrible.

So then you kill the jungler and they completely lose that bonus. Getting an oracles is incredibly risky for a reason. You get to keep every single gold you spend on items for the entirety of the game. You lose the oracles, and the 400g when you die. Oracles doesn't snowball you an advantage unless you can get more than 400g from its use. To think an early oracle is anything other than incredibly risky for little gain is absurd. The problem with early oracle in team games is everyone plays like a fucking pussy for the most part. You can give up a double kill for killing an oracle carrier and come out almost completely even (depending on assist gold), but teams would rather just let the ward die and run away.

I'm going to agree with the fake patch notes. What's the difference between snowballing from buying a dorans and snowballing from buying an oracle?
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 16 2012 17:36 GMT
#1706
so i see dota2 tournament streams on this site but no lol, why?
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
June 16 2012 17:50 GMT
#1707
On June 17 2012 02:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 02:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On June 17 2012 02:09 hasuprotoss wrote:
On June 17 2012 02:01 Sermokala wrote:
http://pastebin.com/zpiZNWL0

anybody else see this? seems like they're going to try and make stealth champs and skills viable again.


Ehh... I think that's more for those long positioning things at Baron. Now it'll just be a battle of the pinkwards. Also, this really hurts junglers getting an early oracles and clearing wards for ganks T_T.


I think it nurfs snowballing a little. Early oracles because the jungler got a gank is really strong and completely shifts the way the game is played. I can't say how I feel about the change yet, but I don't think it will be terrible.

So then you kill the jungler and they completely lose that bonus. Getting an oracles is incredibly risky for a reason. You get to keep every single gold you spend on items for the entirety of the game. You lose the oracles, and the 400g when you die. Oracles doesn't snowball you an advantage unless you can get more than 400g from its use. To think an early oracle is anything other than incredibly risky for little gain is absurd. The problem with early oracle in team games is everyone plays like a fucking pussy for the most part. You can give up a double kill for killing an oracle carrier and come out almost completely even (depending on assist gold), but teams would rather just let the ward die and run away.

I'm going to agree with the fake patch notes. What's the difference between snowballing from buying a dorans and snowballing from buying an oracle?


Hence the reason i said that, if they get the oracles after they've already gotten a gank. That's how it snowballs. They had an advantage from netting a positive kill, and then used that to start taking over map real estate forcing the opposing team to play from a worse position. Is it risky? Of course. But that sort of argument can be made for, well, almost anything you do in LoL. Virtually nothing is completely safe and it is up to the opponents to decide how to try and take advantage of their opponents.

Just straight up buying an oracles at the cost of your normal jungle items w/o getting a kill is of course super risky, but that's not what I'm talking about.

To be clear: I don't love the change (if it's real). I think there are changes that should be done to wards and whatnot, but this isn't the route I would have taken at all. However, I'm willing to see how it plays out since I certainly don't see it as an inherently bad change. Even if you take away the idea of an early oracles, similar logic can be applied to later game: if a team is behind and loses one or cant afford an oracles it is a huge blow if their opponent has one active. Being behind and forcing you to stay further behind makes it less likely that a comeback is possible; thus a more boring game experience for players and spectators.

LoL tournament should be starting in a bit at DH, it's there just started later than some of the others.
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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
June 16 2012 17:50 GMT
#1708
On June 17 2012 02:36 kongoline wrote:
so i see dota2 tournament streams on this site but no lol, why?

They are only doing the BYOC right now for LoL.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
June 16 2012 17:52 GMT
#1709
On June 17 2012 02:36 kongoline wrote:
so i see dota2 tournament streams on this site but no lol, why?


There have been some LoL events on the TL Calendar (OGN, IPL, GESL, MLG, IEM), just not as many as Dota 2. Some TL staff play Dota 2 so it's relatively easy for them to add in a Dota 2 event.

For LoL, it's just a matter of tournament organizers submitting their event to TL since it's the organizers' job to promote the events. But not every tournament think it's necessary to submit it to TL since it's primarily a SC site.
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NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
June 16 2012 18:17 GMT
#1710
On June 17 2012 01:08 gtrsrs wrote:
ummmmmm

SYDTKO just friend requested me
not sure whether to post this in loci or shikyo thread
i feel kinda both ways about it


it's just crs wanting to scrim sg brah
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Iskusstvo
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom323 Posts
June 16 2012 18:41 GMT
#1711
Just had an idea for a nice ultimate, probably for a support-type champ.
It would give all the champs on your team a one-use shield which negates the next instance of taking damage from any source and returns a proportion of the damage(scaling with AP maybe) which would have been received back to the source it originated from. Would likely have to have a reduction on mirrored damage for AOE spells.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 19:01:10
June 16 2012 18:59 GMT
#1712
Fun DotA hero ults that could be ported in some form to LoL:
- Admiral's Ghost Ship (would have to figure out a not-so-awful targeting scheme, because Ghost Ship sucks to aim properly)
- Tauren Chieftain's Earth Splitter
- Wisp/KotL (support heroes with global teleports to teleport allies to/with them)
- Tuskarr (WALRUS PUNCH!)
- Storm Spirit's Ball Lightning
- Ember Spirit's Fire Remnant
- Enigma's Black Hole
- Ancient Apparition's Ice Blast (probably would also need a better targeting mechanic, though less so than Ghost Ship does)

Most of the other ones are either already in the game, or have some issues that make them incompatible with LoL's gameplay.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 16 2012 19:05 GMT
#1713
so it came to me in a dream last night but
i thought of a way they could improve taric

1. give him back some of his AP ratios
2. change his stun back. it's not counter-intuitive, it was a cool mechanic trading damage for stun time
3. make his ult a small AOE heal-over-time and give it back the draining mana. additionally make it so any champs that are attacking taric or facing taric have reduced hit accuracy (like, 15% miss chance). this creates a nice juxtaposition between "FOCUS ME I'M HEALING THE WHOLE TEAM" and "LOL YOU CAN'T HIT ME" and would add some strategic depth to his positioning in teamfights (namely, near his carry) AND would also match the name of the ult, radiance, better.

i don't really think anything's wrong with taric i just kinda miss the old gay. i mean guy. i liked his old ult and his new ult is just lame and cookie cutter
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 19:07:19
June 16 2012 19:06 GMT
#1714
Ziggs ulti is already pretty similar to Ancient Apparition ulti imo.

Black hole would be like a smaller range-longer duration Amumu ulti?

GHOST SHIP ULTI WOULD BE SOOOO COOL ON GP. =S


Edit: Yango, you missed a sick Dreamhack DotA 2 game by about an hour. It just got reset because they lost power in the gaming area and the save got corrupted. -_-
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 19:21:43
June 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#1715
On June 17 2012 02:01 Sermokala wrote:
http://pastebin.com/zpiZNWL0

anybody else see this? seems like they're going to try and make stealth champs and skills viable again.

I'm gonna call BS. Making oracles a 2min/7min/team thing removes a counter to all types of warding including teemo mushrooms. In addition, it makes twitch into an invincible moving ward for 5 minutes of every 7.


On June 17 2012 03:41 Iskusstvo wrote:
Just had an idea for a nice ultimate, probably for a support-type champ.
It would give all the champs on your team a one-use shield which negates the next instance of taking damage from any source and returns a proportion of the damage(scaling with AP maybe) which would have been received back to the source it originated from. Would likely have to have a reduction on mirrored damage for AOE spells.

The damage wouldn't be significant unless a support got a lot of AP. And if the support got a lot of AP, then they wouldn't have any of those strong team helping items. But riot doesn't seem to like shoehorning supports into having to support so they leave skills that scale weakly into late game without AP.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 16 2012 19:49 GMT
#1716
On June 17 2012 04:05 gtrsrs wrote:
so it came to me in a dream last night but
i thought of a way they could improve taric

1. give him back some of his AP ratios
2. change his stun back. it's not counter-intuitive, it was a cool mechanic trading damage for stun time
3. make his ult a small AOE heal-over-time and give it back the draining mana. additionally make it so any champs that are attacking taric or facing taric have reduced hit accuracy (like, 15% miss chance). this creates a nice juxtaposition between "FOCUS ME I'M HEALING THE WHOLE TEAM" and "LOL YOU CAN'T HIT ME" and would add some strategic depth to his positioning in teamfights (namely, near his carry) AND would also match the name of the ult, radiance, better.

i don't really think anything's wrong with taric i just kinda miss the old gay. i mean guy. i liked his old ult and his new ult is just lame and cookie cutter

I still stand by the idea I came up with when the Taric revamp happened--add a facing-conditional blind to his ultimate.

It's called "Radiance". The concept is "big shiny light in everyone's face". It makes TOTAL sense for it to be a facing-conditional blind. And it would add a lot of interesting and unique gameplay to an otherwise boring ability.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
June 16 2012 20:12 GMT
#1717
[image loading]

Unsurprisingly, the fake patch notes were fake.
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tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
June 16 2012 20:26 GMT
#1718
On June 17 2012 05:12 Craton wrote:
[image loading]

Unsurprisingly, the fake patch notes were fake.



you don't even need to confirm it.

There's no way he would call himself "RiotNasus" on a chat channel like that. And plus the "patch notes" he "leaked" were completely absurd.
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Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
June 16 2012 20:31 GMT
#1719
I've been playing Darkspore every now and then, and I find that some of the ideas there could really be put into LoL and look good:
-shield you can put onto allies that does damage to people who attack them
-make an area that heals allies standing in it
-passive that can give your attacks random effects (deal dot, mini-stun, slow, etc)
-aoe centered around caster dealing poison (dot) to all enemies effected)
-long-range skillshot that accelerates and deals more damage the faster it is
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
June 16 2012 20:47 GMT
#1720
It does seem there must be more to the story, though. It seems a pretty trivial breach to warrant firing someone who has been employed there for some time.
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