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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 01 2012 18:43 GMT
#4541
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 01 2012 18:45 GMT
#4542
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?

i guess they have a threshold that considers you "feeding", and if you reach that threshold at the end of the game, you lose a shit ton of elo. i'm guessing assists are counted into that stat as well.
liftlift > tsm
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 01 2012 18:45 GMT
#4543
that's a pretty crazy system, im not sure if it makes any sense
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
July 01 2012 18:48 GMT
#4544
On July 02 2012 03:45 zulu_nation8 wrote:
that's a pretty crazy system, im not sure if it makes any sense


voyboy lost 100 elo on stream the other day, it was really funny/sad at the same time
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
July 01 2012 18:49 GMT
#4545
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?


That seems really stupid. It totally ruins any sort of team feeling. Why would anyone play support? Doesn't seem right.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 01 2012 18:49 GMT
#4546
so do you gain 100 elo if you carried hard?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 01 2012 18:52 GMT
#4547
On July 02 2012 03:49 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?


That seems really stupid. It totally ruins any sort of team feeling. Why would anyone play support? Doesn't seem right.

well assists are factored in. so as long as you don't play full retard, you should be okay w. supports.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 18:56:13
July 01 2012 18:53 GMT
#4548
On July 02 2012 03:49 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?


That seems really stupid. It totally ruins any sort of team feeling. Why would anyone play support? Doesn't seem right.

I'm guessing this is also the reason why everyone on the KR server is insanely aggressive suiciding for kills for seemingly no reason. You should be able to win games with a focus on outfarming and outpushing / getting more objectives. Also baiting for your team is very useful.

All in all, terrible system.

On July 02 2012 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:49 LoCicero wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?


That seems really stupid. It totally ruins any sort of team feeling. Why would anyone play support? Doesn't seem right.

well assists are factored in. so as long as you don't play full retard, you should be okay w. supports.


Some games, you for instance will get camped by their jungler and mid, and that means that you might be going like 0-4-0 or something similiar, however in the meantime the rest of your team is going to be able to outfarm / outplay the opposing team in the other side of the map, etc.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 01 2012 18:59 GMT
#4549
On July 02 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:49 LoCicero wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?


That seems really stupid. It totally ruins any sort of team feeling. Why would anyone play support? Doesn't seem right.

I'm guessing this is also the reason why everyone on the KR server is insanely aggressive suiciding for kills for seemingly no reason. You should be able to win games with a focus on outfarming and outpushing / getting more objectives. Also baiting for your team is very useful.

All in all, terrible system.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:49 LoCicero wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?


That seems really stupid. It totally ruins any sort of team feeling. Why would anyone play support? Doesn't seem right.

well assists are factored in. so as long as you don't play full retard, you should be okay w. supports.


Some games, you for instance will get camped by their jungler and mid, and that means that you might be going like 0-4-0 or something similiar, however in the meantime the rest of your team is going to be able to outfarm / outplay the opposing team in the other side of the map, etc.

i think it's a good system to have, but it's a bad system. Its good because it forces a super aggressive mechanically superior meta, which makes for really fun and interesting games to watch. Just watching scarra's stream for like the past 2 hours, I've seen more man-mode plays, than i've seen on any NA stream over a period of like a days worth of games.

I think it makes the game way more interesting to watch.
liftlift > tsm
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17269 Posts
July 01 2012 19:02 GMT
#4550
wut

it would do the exact opposite

If you get heavily penalized for deaths, you're just gonna sit your ass on a tower or surrounded by wards and be afraid to take risks because of how excessive the penalty for failure is.
twitch.tv/cratonz
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 19:08:04
July 01 2012 19:04 GMT
#4551
On July 02 2012 04:02 Craton wrote:
wut

it would do the exact opposite

If you get heavily penalized for deaths, you're just gonna sit your ass on a tower or surrounded by wards and be afraid to take risks because of how excessive the penalty for failure is.

nope. koreans are crazy, they try and get kills no matter what. every single play is extremely aggressive. I'm not quite sure how the math works out for the "feeding" threshold, but the results have been ridiculously aggressive plays.

WHOA EDIT: So apparently this only happens to the lvl 30 accounts that riot hands out to pro foreign players (like clg/dig).

still, that's ridiculous.
liftlift > tsm
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
July 01 2012 19:06 GMT
#4552
On July 02 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:49 LoCicero wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?


That seems really stupid. It totally ruins any sort of team feeling. Why would anyone play support? Doesn't seem right.

I'm guessing this is also the reason why everyone on the KR server is insanely aggressive suiciding for kills for seemingly no reason. You should be able to win games with a focus on outfarming and outpushing / getting more objectives. Also baiting for your team is very useful.

All in all, terrible system.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:49 LoCicero wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what elo is scarra playing at on the korean server? the tryhardness is scaring me


2100something I think.

just to add context, highest elo in korea is ~2400.
also, if you feed, like go 1-5, you lose 80 elo or something insane like that.


wat how does that work?


That seems really stupid. It totally ruins any sort of team feeling. Why would anyone play support? Doesn't seem right.

well assists are factored in. so as long as you don't play full retard, you should be okay w. supports.


Some games, you for instance will get camped by their jungler and mid, and that means that you might be going like 0-4-0 or something similiar, however in the meantime the rest of your team is going to be able to outfarm / outplay the opposing team in the other side of the map, etc.


This system is just there for fresh accounts, like Scarra gets a fresh lvl 30 account with everything pretty much unlocked on the Korean server. Now if it turns out that he "bought" the account or similar and that he sucks and shouldnt be at that elo it will do the reverse of what happens when you start solo queueing (getting alot more elo during your first 10 games) to balance the fact out that you obviously are a smurf and should be able to carry your self. You do not get more elo from winning if you carry hard, which makes it so rage enducing to do ranked games on these accounts, but if you are good enough (like scarra) you can play around it by having a pretty darn good winrate (scarra does for instance on the Priscent account have 88W and 33L, and a 79% winrate midlane)
washed
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 01 2012 19:09 GMT
#4553
There definitely (albeit rare) are times where you are doing well considering the circumstances and still get an awful KDA. Bad system is bad.
Also there are situations where you can make a gamble and try to get an early kill to snowball off, increasing your overall win rate over many games, but occasionally snowballing hard against you. If you lose a ton of elo for these, it shifts the odds heavily. Like say in poker you make plays based on the expected value, but that system would shift everything towards low risk low reward plays.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 19:12:04
July 01 2012 19:11 GMT
#4554
^--- but on na/eu you also lose lots of elo if you lose your placement matches, not just gaining a ton if you win... so I don't see how this is an improvement? it seems very strange to me, I'm missing something
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
CaffeineFree-_-
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States712 Posts
July 01 2012 19:15 GMT
#4555
Lag ruining anyone else games? Seriously never had so much problems before this summer fuck.
We say we love flowers, yet we pluck them. We say we love trees, yet we cut them down. And people still wonder why some are afraid when told they are loved
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
July 01 2012 19:16 GMT
#4556
why do they not want to use the same system as the korean one for NA/EU?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
July 01 2012 19:20 GMT
#4557
So TheOddOne has been subing for TD in a tourney, calling TD TSMjr, game name called TDSM vs. TSM.Evo, and TD has promoted streams on TSM's site.

Is TD the next annexation of the scene in the TSM vs CLG arms race?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17269 Posts
July 01 2012 19:44 GMT
#4558
It would make more sense if the system tracked some kind of multi-game time frame so you aren't dropping 100 Elo for one bad game, but people who obviously shouldn't be at that Elo do get dropped very quickly.
twitch.tv/cratonz
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
July 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#4559
I still like reading the Koreans insult CLG and Dignitas players in broken English. It's really fucking funny.

"you nono get jobs" and my old personal favorite from last time "yankee go home"
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#4560
ok lets be real for a moment, is it possible that all disconnects = ddos? because thats what everyone seems to claim. Can't speak from experence but it seems a little paranoid :/
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