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On June 30 2012 08:49 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 08:03 HazMat wrote:On June 30 2012 07:57 obesechicken13 wrote:
Hey guys? I got a dota 2 beta key today. Never played DotA except at my friend's. I might leave LoL. I thought the same thing but then I played it and realized dota2 sucks. I was the same way. I put a good 80 hours into it before I realized that it wasn't as good as lol for me at least. Lanes are boring as hell or just really stupid for one way or another (warlock and zeus I'm looking at you) you have heros that have only 1 or 2 active abilities. scaling is also really retarded late game when you can become the only person on your team to do damage or get buried so hard there isn't a point to play anymore. There are just so many anti fun things about it I just don't see it going mainstream in any way at all. Also dota people make up so much wrong shit about lol and spread it among themselves like its true. I still find friends that say that every time that someone logs into the client it shows as a view on a lol event stream.
honestly i can't understand that viewpoint.  zues/warlock are mediocre characters and not problems when you learn how to play vs them.
Lanes being boring is just wrong to me, because lol lanes are some of the most boring crap ever put into a game.
dota already being mainstream (and having a far more healthy and competitive environment) is pretty evident to people who follow multiple games.
meh I can understand not liking dota and preferring lol, but i can't understand your reasons. especially because it's so far from true especially compared to lol.
is it satire and i'm not picking up on it? because honestly that has to be the explanation...
So confused. lol someone help.
More importantly, LoL client stopped giving my computer data. i join a game, and i don't see picks/bans/chat only what i do myself. i go into game and nothing moves but the timer on the clock and my own character...
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I fear I am amongst the ranks of those Ezreals who bought the skin but totally suck at the champion.
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On June 30 2012 08:03 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 07:57 obesechicken13 wrote:
Hey guys? I got a dota 2 beta key today. Never played DotA except at my friend's. I might leave LoL. I thought the same thing but then I played it and realized dota2 sucks.
Yeah, but my best friend plays it. My class friends play LoL but most have been taking a break for D3, and a few spend more time on SC2. And with servers down I have an excuse to start playing DotA.
I just spent so much time on LoL. I have a good idea of what every champion does, all their skills, passives, items, and game mechanics (exp, last hitting). It's gonna suck to relearn all that.
On the topic of leavers. BW 3v3 bgh had fewer leavers than LoL ranked 5s, had less leavers than LoL normals or low levels. But BW didn't spend hours learning the psychology behind addictive games.
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On June 30 2012 09:08 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 08:49 Sermokala wrote:On June 30 2012 08:03 HazMat wrote:On June 30 2012 07:57 obesechicken13 wrote:
Hey guys? I got a dota 2 beta key today. Never played DotA except at my friend's. I might leave LoL. I thought the same thing but then I played it and realized dota2 sucks. I was the same way. I put a good 80 hours into it before I realized that it wasn't as good as lol for me at least. Lanes are boring as hell or just really stupid for one way or another (warlock and zeus I'm looking at you) you have heros that have only 1 or 2 active abilities. scaling is also really retarded late game when you can become the only person on your team to do damage or get buried so hard there isn't a point to play anymore. There are just so many anti fun things about it I just don't see it going mainstream in any way at all. Also dota people make up so much wrong shit about lol and spread it among themselves like its true. I still find friends that say that every time that someone logs into the client it shows as a view on a lol event stream. honestly i can't understand that viewpoint. zues/warlock are mediocre characters and not problems when you learn how to play vs them. Lanes being boring is just wrong to me, because lol lanes are some of the most boring crap ever put into a game. dota already being mainstream (and having a far more healthy and competitive environment) is pretty evident to people who follow multiple games. meh I can understand not liking dota and preferring lol, but i can't understand your reasons. especially because it's so far from true especially compared to lol. is it satire and i'm not picking up on it? because honestly that has to be the explanation... So confused. lol someone help. More importantly, LoL client stopped giving my computer data. i join a game, and i don't see picks/bans/chat only what i do myself. i go into game and nothing moves but the timer on the clock and my own character...
Lolz, why are we talking about Dota 2 vs LoL here? In that case, I'll throw out my thoughts:
I generally prefer LoL's early game over Dota2's. Why? In LoL you can "duel" someone in the lane, you can't really do that in Dota. You can actually use your abilities, with their lower mana costs, to outplay your opponent and kill them in a 1v1. In Dota, you can only use your abilities to assist in a gank, and last hit/deny better than your opponent. Overall I think laning in LoL is faster paced than Dota, despite having fewer kills in general. Overall laning in Dota is a forgettable experience, and quite honestly, not important unless it's the carry lane.
However, where Dota 2 shines is the late game. LoL games basically get decided by whoever has more gold after 15 minutes; too much emphasis on laning. Weak abilities also mean items (hence gold) determine the outcome more than skill. Cheap wards and oracles, and lack of mobility options makes it hard to make big plays when you're behind.
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On June 30 2012 09:20 Zhiroo wrote:
So many bad Ezraels.
Good, I get to show people up with my Ezreal! :D
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But dota's straight "laning" phase is 4 minutes long and sometimes skipped completely (look at any of the Na'Vi push teams, where they just go and take multiple towers in the first 3 minutes). the first 4 minutes of any LoL game is equally if not more boring you sit there and last hit until you get your lvl 3/5/6/9 (depending on character and lane). and certainly the next 12 minutes of laning in LoL are more boring than the hyper interactive dota ganking phase. Dota you don't "only" use your abilities for ganks. Orb walking exists for some characters, characters often use abilities to set up kills in lanes without ganks, and can often harrass with them as well to zone. You guys must not know dota very well to have these impressions.
I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, It's just that i actually don't understand at all.
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On June 30 2012 09:20 Zhiroo wrote:
So many bad Ezraels.
It brings me great joy as AD carry to see the instalock first pick ezreals in the opposing team and picking up free lane victories :3
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how exactly to play vs malph as an ad carry late game? I dont even know. He comes at me, I'm slow as fuck. like snail attack speed. I'm dead. Or my team. I really don't know
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Didn't you quit already? Dota 2 has there own forum here too. Go, you're free at last from this terrible game.
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On June 30 2012 09:19 dookudooku wrote:
However, where Dota 2 shines is the late game. LoL games basically get decided by whoever has more gold after 15 minutes; too much emphasis on laning. Weak abilities also mean items (hence gold) determine the outcome more than skill. Cheap wards and oracles, and lack of mobility options makes it hard to make big plays when you're behind.
I feel like it's easier to make late-game comebacks in LoL in arranged 5s because teamfights aren't as sloppy and if your team can play smart you can chip away at their advantage.
But in solo queue it's just a mess.
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On June 30 2012 09:30 Keniji wrote:
how exactly to play vs malph as an ad carry late game? I dont even know. He comes at me, I'm slow as fuck. like snail attack speed. I'm dead. Or my team. I really don't know
with characters like that it's often up to your team to help alot. demand your support characters ward more, watch the minimap and constantly reposition yourself to the safest spot over and over.
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pushing is a form of laneing btw. pushing is basicaly dotas metagame at least when I was in it and every game had the exact same picks and bans pretty much.
If your just sitting in your lane and last hitting you're doing it wrong on so many levels. in the last half of your post you have lol and dota switched in what you describe. You started this argument with the first post on this thread at least own up to it.
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I can't have a discussion with people who just adamantly believe in something that is entirely false, Go watch LoL Vods and dota vods and come back more educated? that's the best i can do.
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On June 30 2012 09:30 Keniji wrote:
how exactly to play vs malph as an ad carry late game? I dont even know. He comes at me, I'm slow as fuck. like snail attack speed. I'm dead. Or my team. I really don't know
QSS removes the attack speed slow. That may seem extreme, but it gives you 4-7 seconds where you can potentially wipe him or someone else.
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This is the lol subforum. Why the fuck would we all be here if we thought that lol is a bad game and isn't fun. Go away and stay in the dota 2 subforum if you don't understand why we enjoy lol more then dota 2.
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So i'm gonna go ahead and put an asterisk on the comment i made about TL Lol'ers and spell that asterisk sermokala.
The rest of you are pretty cool, this guys just a douche for no reason.
User was warned for this post
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On June 30 2012 09:28 PrinceXizor wrote:But dota's straight "laning" phase is 4 minutes long and sometimes skipped completely (look at any of the Na'Vi push teams, where they just go and take multiple towers in the first 3 minutes). the first 4 minutes of any LoL game is equally if not more boring you sit there and last hit until you get your lvl 3/5/6/9 (depending on character and lane). and certainly the next 12 minutes of laning in LoL are more boring than the hyper interactive dota ganking phase. Dota you don't "only" use your abilities for ganks. Orb walking exists for some characters, characters often use abilities to set up kills in lanes without ganks, and can often harrass with them as well to zone. You guys must not know dota very well to have these impressions. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, It's just that i actually don't understand at all.
Yes, you can do what you described above in Dota, but overall you have way more opportunities to harass in LoL, with the more fluid controls, lower mana costs, and summoner spells, which make it a lot easier to kill someone in the lane without assistance.
Basically I like the way LoL's laning feels, but not how it affects the rest of the game. I hate the way Dota's laning feels, but like the fact that it's not really crucial to the game.
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On June 30 2012 09:42 PrinceXizor wrote:So i'm gonna go ahead and put an asterisk on the comment i made about TL Lol'ers and spell that asterisk sermokala. Lanes being boring is just wrong to me, because lol lanes are some of the most boring crap ever put into a game. is it satire and i'm not picking up on it? because honestly that has to be the explanation... So confused. lol someone help. You guys must not know dota very well to have these impressions. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, It's just that i actually don't understand at all. I can't have a discussion with people who just adamantly believe in something that is entirely false, Go watch LoL Vods and dota vods and come back more educated? that's the best i can do
This is what you have posted in this page. You've been constantly condescending and dismissive of any opinion that isn't your own.
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On June 30 2012 09:46 dookudooku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 09:28 PrinceXizor wrote:But dota's straight "laning" phase is 4 minutes long and sometimes skipped completely (look at any of the Na'Vi push teams, where they just go and take multiple towers in the first 3 minutes). the first 4 minutes of any LoL game is equally if not more boring you sit there and last hit until you get your lvl 3/5/6/9 (depending on character and lane). and certainly the next 12 minutes of laning in LoL are more boring than the hyper interactive dota ganking phase. Dota you don't "only" use your abilities for ganks. Orb walking exists for some characters, characters often use abilities to set up kills in lanes without ganks, and can often harrass with them as well to zone. You guys must not know dota very well to have these impressions. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, It's just that i actually don't understand at all. Yes, you can do what you described above in Dota, but overall you have way more opportunities to harass in LoL, with the more fluid controls, lower mana costs, and summoner spells, which make it a lot easier to kill someone in the lane without assistance. Basically I like the way LoL's laning feels, but not how it affects the rest of the game. I hate the way Dota's laning feels, but like the fact that it's not really crucial to the game.
I understand why denying happens and its importance. But I must admit, there is something very confusing about having you send off minions to war to fight for you and then suddenly deciding to shoot your own guys in the head instead of the enemy.
I really need to get a DotA2 Beta Key hrm.
Re Server Issues: Apparently people are having problems? Which server (EUW/EUNE/NA) and what are the issues? I'll bring them up with NOC and see what's going on.
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