EPT[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 196
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On June 29 2012 00:00 Mogwai wrote: I hate to admit it guys, but I'm actually enjoying playing Janna right now  . She's so OP, feels like you can do w/e the fuck you want with her.Top lane janna? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On June 28 2012 15:53 Simberto wrote: Are you really asking this? You will have a hard time finding anyone who thinks that is not dickish. You are NOT helping your team by only giving them an XP aura, and your rationale "I am not doing anything, thus i am not stealing XP or lasthits, and thus i am actually helping" is horrible too. You obviously just want to leech free IP and try to rationalize that to yourself to make it sound not dickish. You are still leeching off the 4 other players, and forcing that fact onto them without giving them a choice about the matter. I don't think it's dickish. When I don't have time to play, I'll join a co op ai game and afk for fwod. Hadn't even considered picking ppl like zil or tf to not be a dick. I'll often do as NYx does and alt tab in to move often enough to not get dc'ed, then come back and make the team push and win. To ppl who say its dickish, it's co op vs ai, ppl go there to learn the basics, or learn a new champ. If anything I think most ppl would rather have the extra solo lane for practice. Only once have I had someone consider reporting, and he asked the team and they said 'nah it's just bots, no big deal' | ||
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On June 29 2012 00:33 Dgiese wrote: I don't think it's dickish. When I don't have time to play, I'll join a co op ai game and afk for fwod. Hadn't even considered picking ppl like zil or tf to not be a dick. I'll often do as NYx does and alt tab in to move often enough to not get dc'ed, then come back and make the team push and win. To ppl who say its dickish, it's co op vs ai, ppl go there to learn the basics, or learn a new champ. If anything I think most ppl would rather have the extra solo lane for practice. Only once have I had someone consider reporting, and he asked the team and they said 'nah it's just bots, no big deal' If you ask your team if it's okay and they say yes then whatever, but if you don't say anything and/or ignore your team then you're being selfish. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:21 Gaslo wrote: Why are people just now finding about AP janna? did someone play her in some tourney? I mean, she has always been awesome, but up until now people always cried like little children, when someone tried to pick her. (Low elo that is) at low elo people complain about everything anyway. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
AP Trist on the other hand, I've seen one in almost half of my games since 3-4 days, is that because of the video where she one-shots an unsuspecting Ahri? x_x | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:11 BlackPaladin wrote: Tons of cc, more MS for your team, 500+ hp shields on a 3 second CD + an ult that can reset the battlefield and fully heal your team within seconds is what makes AP janna one of the most retarded bs champs in the game. At the same time she hardly has any burst, and she has to choose between damage and CC (meaning you either CC tanks or you try to damage carries). Resetting a fight isn't THAT useful if you can't burst someone out of the fight beforehand. Also lol 3 sec CD? 10 sec base, 6 sec with 40% CDR, 5 sec duration but it's not realistically going to stay up longer than 1-2 seconds. Either it is broken and the AD component is gone, or it isn't broken and the shield is wasted. Channeling your ult after you reset a fight is also quite easily interrupted. Channel at a safe spot and the knockback is wasted. Not saying she's bad, but Janna has huge tradeoffs. You won't get all the good things she has to offer at once. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:10 Seuss wrote: If you ask your team if it's okay and they say yes then whatever, but if you don't say anything and/or ignore your team then you're being selfish. Indeed, it is selfish. So are the ppl that insist on playing a certain champ or lane. So are the ppl that say 'omg ks'. There's lots of selfishness in lol, and selfishness isn't inherently bad. What kind of impact does afking in a bot game have? Some would argue positive, most would say negative. In my view it doesn't significantly negatively impact the experience of the other users. Maybe a slight annoyance, but if you agree that most people go to co op for fwod, learning a new champ, or other basics, then it should be clear that having a player afk doesn't really impact those goals. If team fighting and objective contesting were the goals, then yeah afking is dickish, but coop ai games are far below that level. Tl:dr - I don't think it makes enough of a difference to cross from 'meh whatever' to 'that's dickish'. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:21 Gaslo wrote: Why are people just now finding about AP janna? did someone play her in some tourney? I mean, she has always been awesome, but up until now people always cried like little children, when someone tried to pick her. (Low elo that is) Iirc fanatic used her well in game 3 vs tsm evo at mlg. She was a large factor in winning that game (fnatic used her pushing power to great effect). | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:30 spinesheath wrote: At the same time she hardly has any burst, and she has to choose between damage and CC (meaning you either CC tanks or you try to damage carries). Resetting a fight isn't THAT useful if you can't burst someone out of the fight beforehand. Also lol 3 sec CD? 10 sec base, 6 sec with 40% CDR, 5 sec duration but it's not realistically going to stay up longer than 1-2 seconds. Either it is broken and the AD component is gone, or it isn't broken and the shield is wasted. Channeling your ult after you reset a fight is also quite easily interrupted. Channel at a safe spot and the knockback is wasted. Not saying she's bad, but Janna has huge tradeoffs. You won't get all the good things she has to offer at once. She does not have remotely "huge tradeoffs". Her mid game burst is ridiculous. Late game she turns into more of a high AP support, but that doesn't remove her usefulness at all. I put AP Janna in more a gimmicky category in my mind though. Not sure why, it just feels like cheating when you play her. But honestly, what do you pick to counter Janna mid? Karthus is probably the best bet, imo, but that's only because Karthus late > any other mage late (except Anivia sometimes). | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:41 jcarlsoniv wrote: She does not have remotely "huge tradeoffs". Her mid game burst is ridiculous. Late game she turns into more of a high AP support, but that doesn't remove her usefulness at all. I put AP Janna in more a gimmicky category in my mind though. Not sure why, it just feels like cheating when you play her. 440-620 + 1.55xAP doesn't exactly qualify as "ridiculous" on the AP carry burst scale. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11725 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:31 Dgiese wrote: Indeed, it is selfish. So are the ppl that insist on playing a certain champ or lane. So are the ppl that say 'omg ks'. There's lots of selfishness in lol, and selfishness isn't inherently bad. What kind of impact does afking in a bot game have? Some would argue positive, most would say negative. In my view it doesn't significantly negatively impact the experience of the other users. Maybe a slight annoyance, but if you agree that most people go to co op for fwod, learning a new champ, or other basics, then it should be clear that having a player afk doesn't really impact those goals. If team fighting and objective contesting were the goals, then yeah afking is dickish, but coop ai games are far below that level. Tl:dr - I don't think it makes enough of a difference to cross from 'meh whatever' to 'that's dickish'. Well, you go into a game with the sole purpose of not doing anything, and just leeching from what the others do. If everyone is ok with it, it is no problem. But if you don't ask them, and go into the game with the purpose of being afk, that is a dick move. You basically rely on those 4 people, who you don't know and have not even asked, to get you your first win of the day, and force this situation onto them. Sure coop vs ai might not be the hardest thing, but it would be pretty much impossible if there were more people with that attitude, and you suddenly have to deal with 2-3 afk dudes every game. It's always a communication deal, and forcing this kind of stuff where obviously only you profit from it onto people you don't know is never nice. Regarding the Brand, and the losing to him in lane: You always feel stupid when you lose in lane to a brand, simply because he is so skillshot based, and losing to him means that you got hit by skillshots, which usually makes you feel stupid. This does not necessarily mean that it is a good accessment of the situation, but every time i lose to a brand i am going "ARGHHH, why did i have to stand in that pillar? Why did i have to run that way into the fireball, it was so obvious" | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:54 TheYango wrote: 440-620 + 1.55xAP doesn't exactly qualify as "ridiculous" on the AP carry burst scale. Perhaps not. I almost always feel like I'm at a disadvantage to her in lane, unless I get a really really early lead on her. I suppose it may be because of her shield. With a .9 ratio, she is usually going to win a trade by enough of a margin that it will just get worse and worse for her opponent. Also, she's near impossible to gank. | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:41 jcarlsoniv wrote: She does not have remotely "huge tradeoffs". Her mid game burst is ridiculous. Late game she turns into more of a high AP support, but that doesn't remove her usefulness at all. I put AP Janna in more a gimmicky category in my mind though. Not sure why, it just feels like cheating when you play her. But honestly, what do you pick to counter Janna mid? Karthus is probably the best bet, imo, but that's only because Karthus late > any other mage late (except Anivia sometimes). Why is Karthus always the go to best late game AP? I play him a lot, and mostly play mid, but late game I don't feel that he can decide games as well as many other mids. For instance, I consider Veigar the best AP late game carry, because after DFG and Dcap and Void, he can go really tanky and still do insane burst damage and will likely have even more Ap than any other carry who is going more glass cannony. But anyways, I don't feel like karthus does that much damage, can't decide a teamfight for the most part until he dies, and then he loses power to finish games. Veigar can catch the carry out of posistion or even flash stun and kill them, then if his team follows up the fight is easily won. Karthus just seems meh to me in that sort of game changing regard | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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