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[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 19

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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 06 2012 22:03 GMT
#361
Good grief, juggling axes is crazy fun. I can't imagine how hard this is in a real game. :>
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 06 2012 22:04 GMT
#362
On June 07 2012 06:54 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
I will do my best to get into Eve tier.

Where to start...


Eve Tier is easy, just:

  • Post in every active thread all the time. The more you post the more people will be exposed to your wonderful ideas.
  • Always talk past everyone in a debate. If it's possible to make sense of your position it's possible to argue against it.
  • Never include survivability items in an item build unless they're the wrong ones or come after at least 12k gold in offensive items.
  • When you have nothing to say, say it in as many words as possible. When you have something to say, say it in no more than five words and do not elaborate.
  • Make a champion thread for a champion you do not know how to play. Bonus points if a thread for that champion already exists.

That should get you started, good luck.

I lol'd hard.
True story.
liftlift > tsm
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 22:06:37
June 06 2012 22:04 GMT
#363
On June 07 2012 06:54 Seuss wrote:

  • Make a champion thread for a champion you do not know how to play. Bonus points if a thread for that champion already exists.

That should get you started, good luck.


It is PARAMOUNT that you make this guide as lacking as possible. I'm talking little to no substance here. And God forbid a common matchup section with advice on how to play the lane.


On June 07 2012 06:18 Seuss wrote:
We need a Perplex poster tier list thread that we can argue over. Soniv obviously doesn't belong in Tier 1.


I liked his stream. It helped me get better at mid :3
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
June 06 2012 22:04 GMT
#364
I wouldn't know anything about being a good poster but the posters I do listen to are those who post here regularly or posters that regular posters talk about all the time. And the posters' whose opinions end arguments. Though people seem to argue less now that T_D is MIA
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 06 2012 22:11 GMT
#365
numbers has the right idea, but got it backward
instead of it being #s is tier 1 and everyone else is tier 2, it's actually
everyone is tier 1 and then there's tier 2_down
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
June 06 2012 22:13 GMT
#366
The puns are killing me
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
June 06 2012 22:13 GMT
#367
Draven Login music is awesome. If only due to the chorus shouting out "DRAVEN".

I want a chorus shouting my name..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 06 2012 22:16 GMT
#368
On June 07 2012 07:04 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:18 Seuss wrote:
We need a Perplex poster tier list thread that we can argue over. Soniv obviously doesn't belong in Tier 1.


I liked his stream. It helped me get better at mid :3


I'm glad you were able to learn from his mistakes. :3

On June 07 2012 07:11 gtrsrs wrote:
numbers has the right idea, but got it backward
instead of it being #s is tier 1 and everyone else is tier 2, it's actually
everyone is tier 1 and then there's tier 2_down


I object to this and submit Jazriel and various ill-conceived champion threads as evidence that there exists a third tier beyond what humanity can comprehend.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 06 2012 22:16 GMT
#369
I wonder why I never see anyone (except me of course) talking about Gragas. Is he boring? Is there just not much to say about him? I know Shushei played him a lot but do any other pros play him often?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
June 06 2012 22:19 GMT
#370
Draven and Darius AKA the clean up bros.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 22:19:44
June 06 2012 22:19 GMT
#371
On June 07 2012 07:16 57 Corvette wrote:
I wonder why I never see anyone (except me of course) talking about Gragas. Is he boring? Is there just not much to say about him? I know Shushei played him a lot but do any other pros play him often?


He's melee champ that you run mid lane. As fun as I find him (he's probably my best overall champ), he still has a lot of weaknesses simply because of that. Most of his matchups are pretty straightforward and there's not much to say. Either you land barrels and bully your opponent or you don't.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 06 2012 22:23 GMT
#372
On June 07 2012 07:13 Parnage wrote:
Draven Login music is awesome. If only due to the chorus shouting out "DRAVEN".

I want a chorus shouting my name..


I've just been notified that his victim on the champion art is, in fact, Kratos.
Add to that Talon killing that dude of Assassin's Creed...
Varus taking an arrow to the knee...
thereisnourflevel...

Riot do like referencing their fellow game editors/publishers, do they?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
June 06 2012 22:23 GMT
#373
On June 07 2012 07:16 57 Corvette wrote:
I wonder why I never see anyone (except me of course) talking about Gragas. Is he boring? Is there just not much to say about him? I know Shushei played him a lot but do any other pros play him often?


Reginald played him for a whole (Penta'd CLG amongst other things with it). But seems like he isnt picked up much lately, probably because other mids like anivia, morgana and Kogmaw seem to be more popular (anivia and morg brings more to a teamfight I would assume and Kogmaw just does an overall good job of jumping around being annoying and throwing balls of vomit at you).

A poster tierlist would be hilarious, but would cause nothing good he he (I do agree that we can put Jazriel in an unoffical tier list though )
washed
Berailfor
Profile Joined January 2012
441 Posts
June 06 2012 22:26 GMT
#374
Did anyone see the games where Ashe was getting a chalice (I saw it in like 3 tournament matches. She was laning with a nunu support.) I am wondering if anyone has a good logical reason for that. Is it simply to make sure she can constant volley and have enough for an ult when needed for the nocturne gank?

Also Lux, while she is a suboptimal caster and doesn't really hard counter any mids. She still does very well and all of her abilities have lots of utility. Double bind, and in a teamfight an E + Ult does so much damage. If she gets any kills at all and rushes a Dcap after 2 dorans she can easily kill a squish from close to full health if your good enough to triple proc her passive in 1 snare. Which apparently no Lux I play with ever knows how to do it. Or can't execute it properly. Either way I agree she isn't the greatest pick. But she is fun to play and a definite pubstomper. To whoever said they automatically get a noob alert when they see her picked in ranked. Unless your like 2k+ ELO. I doubt it matters much who the person picked. In fact at low ELO's Lux might be a better champion then some other highly seen mids simply because you can get so many free ult kills on scrubs.

Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 06 2012 22:38 GMT
#375
On June 07 2012 07:16 57 Corvette wrote:
I wonder why I never see anyone (except me of course) talking about Gragas. Is he boring? Is there just not much to say about him? I know Shushei played him a lot but do any other pros play him often?

Random Gragas tidbit: Gosu Pepper plays a beastly Gragas, as seen in some random weekly tournament last week, where Darien was absent, so Alex went top, Gosu mid and they subbed the supp.
He raped face, fatman style.

But there's definetly not much to talk about, he's not FotM, and also pretty straightforward.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 06 2012 22:42 GMT
#376
On June 07 2012 07:04 Perplex wrote:


Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 06:18 Seuss wrote:
We need a Perplex poster tier list thread that we can argue over. Soniv obviously doesn't belong in Tier 1.


I liked his stream. It helped me get better at mid :3


If I can ever figure out a way to make my home internet better, I will start streaming again. If not, then my stream will be back online once the school year starts up again (september). But it's good to know at least someone got something out of it.


On June 07 2012 07:16 57 Corvette wrote:
I wonder why I never see anyone (except me of course) talking about Gragas. Is he boring? Is there just not much to say about him? I know Shushei played him a lot but do any other pros play him often?


If I could figure out how to play him reliably, I would play him more. He's hella fun, and very strong. My issue is I can rarely get out of lane phase safely with him. If I can do that, I'm all set (save for bad ults).

That said, I think Heimer might be my new project.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 22:44:09
June 06 2012 22:43 GMT
#377
On June 07 2012 07:26 Berailfor wrote:
Did anyone see the games where Ashe was getting a chalice (I saw it in like 3 tournament matches. She was laning with a nunu support.) I am wondering if anyone has a good logical reason for that. Is it simply to make sure she can constant volley and have enough for an ult when needed for the nocturne gank?

Also Lux, while she is a suboptimal caster and doesn't really hard counter any mids. She still does very well and all of her abilities have lots of utility. Double bind, and in a teamfight an E + Ult does so much damage. If she gets any kills at all and rushes a Dcap after 2 dorans she can easily kill a squish from close to full health if your good enough to triple proc her passive in 1 snare. Which apparently no Lux I play with ever knows how to do it. Or can't execute it properly. Either way I agree she isn't the greatest pick. But she is fun to play and a definite pubstomper. To whoever said they automatically get a noob alert when they see her picked in ranked. Unless your like 2k+ ELO. I doubt it matters much who the person picked. In fact at low ELO's Lux might be a better champion then some other highly seen mids simply because you can get so many free ult kills on scrubs.



Well at my trash ELO some champions are just known for their terrible players. I have never seen a good Yi, Trynd or Garen, so those champions scream noob alert. It´s just the fact that most of the Lux I play with get first blood from my lvl 2 ganks and then proceed to waste their gold in a meijas>into miss every skillshot build.

I have no doubt she has potential at low ELO. It´s happened to me so many times when I used to play Lux that the AD carry will step infront of his team and get oneshot by my combo. I just don´t like playing her anymore, I prefer Orianna over Lux anyways since she has a similar kit along with more utility and a stronger endgame.
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
June 06 2012 22:49 GMT
#378
On June 07 2012 07:16 57 Corvette wrote:
I wonder why I never see anyone (except me of course) talking about Gragas. Is he boring? Is there just not much to say about him? I know Shushei played him a lot but do any other pros play him often?


There are people that like him and people that don't. Regi used to play him. The mid from Na'Vi plays him quite a bit I think. AL played him recently vs CLG.eu. I think he is underappreciated. He basically has a low cooldown damage dealing Janna ult which is a great way to deal with AoE comps. Honestly I am in no position to say anything about his strength though. He seems strong enough when Na'Vi plays him. He just seems somewhat impractical outside of his ult since he is a burst caster with no targeted spells, which is a pretty counterproductive idea. That going along with the fact that he is melee just doesn't make him very appealing to most people and relatively easily counterable by many mages.

That and people would just rather play attractive foxy women, vampires with bad puns or vomiting slugs than fat alcoholic men
vertigo1
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland174 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 22:50:41
June 06 2012 22:50 GMT
#379
jungle gangplank question. max Q or E first and why
trolling is a art
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
June 06 2012 22:55 GMT
#380
I think of E as a teamfight skill at this point, I don't see the benefit of dumping more than one point into it.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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