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Lux's late game is actually very consistent. It's not super-good, but consistent. She can just stay back and blast her laser, E, then shield others with her W. She will not at any time be in real danger of being killed. Furthermore, she is also excellent at stalling teamfights. This is the strength of a Lux late game. On the other hand, we have some AP carries, such as Cassiopeia and Brand, who are kind of volatile in late game - granted, they can potentially do a lot of damage, but they can easily get sniped or get zoned because of the risks of dying.
IMO, Lux's late game is fine. Her utility and safety is unmatched of any other AP carries. This makes her very unique.
What Lux is NOT fine, is her early laning phase. Her laning phase is... average, at best, and totally uninspiring. She not only does not counter anyone in particular, she is also grossly countered by mobility champions such as Ahri, Kassadin, LeBlanc, Fizz, and Katarina. So basically, you can only pick Lux if you are "counterpicking", but you are actually not countering anyone... this makes Lux a very bad pick.
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Lux is an interesting case, as she works well in a team with other high damage carries, and she eventually takes on more of a support role, shielding allies and snaring enemies for easy kills. Her damage tops off in that mid-to-late game period where she can full combo instakill someone, but after that she's relegated to CC and AoE damage.
I'd rather have any number of champions besides her, but I don't get the irrational hate.
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On June 07 2012 04:27 wei2coolman wrote:
And the example about talon is terrible. Mostly because they had to create a team comp REVOLVING around double assassin. You could literally run a team comp around any champion and then say "SEE ITS VIABLE". The question is whether or not talon can stand his own ina position that doesn't revolve a team comp surrounding what it offers.
That doesn't make sense. Just because a hero doesn't fit within the mold of how you perceive the game doesn't mean it's not viable. Making a comp around a hero and then that comp working proves that something is viable it's just situational. The game isn't black or white you know. Viable doesn't equate to fitting within the current mold, it means it can be used somehow. Whether that means you need to make a comp around it or not doesn't matter.
The only real time a hero is out of the equation is if it fits the exact same role as another hero but is just worse at the role than that hero. With good design this doesn't really happen since you can have overlap per say but then one will have a situation where it's better than the other and the other way around.
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On June 07 2012 03:43 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 02:25 Mogwai wrote:
right, people who don't play the role. it's sorta like my hatred of Lux, except that I'm right to think that lux sucks at everything. You've not seen her in the hands of Chu8.
yes I have.
I've also seen her in the hands of AzenZagenite/LucarioLove and any number of other players who put up insane KDAs with her. I still think she sucks.
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Talon got nerfed right after Dig used him.
Yorick solo top was the best TRM ever did in a LAN event. His Yorick is part of the reason why TSM won MLG Columbus. Like to me, Yorick is gonna be a lot like Zilean. People will value Yorick ult more or less depending on the current trend. Because of Yorick ult and his safe lane he's always going to be viable and not a "shit champ."
Ez was used at Hannover, but I was remembering it wrong he got played in 11 games and his win percentage was 55% (which was still better than Corki, Kog'Maw, and Graves). Source
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Basically my main point of, "champs are viable even if pros say they aren't," still stands. Or something.
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So apparently activating (or deactivating) swain ult doesn't stack tear. Is this intended??
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On June 07 2012 04:14 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 04:02 Bladeorade wrote:
Who the fuck plays Darius bot lane...
Also Lux is awesome fu guys I see your post and raise you a "Who the fuck reads posts on TL"
Reading comprehension.
Who needs it?
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On June 07 2012 04:50 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So apparently activating (or deactivating) swain ult doesn't stack tear. Is this intended??
From what I know, yes.
Just spectated a friend that I know for a thing is pretty bad (to sum up, I described his way of playing AD carry with "Well he 100-0 minions and last hit champions"), playing Draven against Blitzcrank+Sivir. Between boomerang blade and hook, you'd think he'd get easily zoned, esp. as his support wasn't that good either (Lulu never using Q, E only after the damage was taken, etc.)... they didn't do anything about it, didn't even try. So he destroyed them. Draven's passive must actually be kinda significant, I saw Sivir die thrice after taking a hit from his ult, shielding the second one, and losing her few remaining HP to his passive—in retrospect, I should have used those moments to count the number of stacks on his passive.
(This could have easily been prevented by Blitz going for an E and making Draven lose his axe, but he just ran alongside Sivir w/o doing anything. I'm almost jealous of his opponents, he seems to almost always get spoon-fed with such baddies. T_T)
Apparently this makes Draven an even better chaser than I thought. Sivir would take huge amounts of damage everytime she'd try to run away (idiot started dblade and bought BF in one go, so no way to flee since she didn't apply her passive before running either), get ult'd, and even when out of range the passive would finish her off.
Also, it seems that earlygame it may be better to stand and fight Draven than to run, as unless he's oom or you don't have long to run every attack that will be exchanged will be a Spinning Axe. If we assume you're kiting and fighting too, and each one trade one hit between steps, he'll heavily outdamage anyone. But if you stand, unless his AS is high he'll lose dps to catch his axes, it'll be harder for him because they won't lead him unless he moves a lot, and you'll attack him more while he moves so comparatively your relative dps won't be as one-sided as if you're running.
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People seem to have this idea that you -have- to catch every axe, that's going to get alot of people killed. But yes, from what I've played of him on PBE the guy will pretty much axe you should you decide to turn and run. The best part is he's the perfect counter to people trying to kite, as he's literally designed in a fashion that rewards chasing down people due to that w refresh with his catching of axes.
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Lux is probably underrated, purely based on my opinion that her snare, i.e. Windrunner shackleshot, is underappreciated in 5v5s. Lux seems to be an amazing teamfight champ, but I haven't played her for ages to confirm or deny it.
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I haven't had a chance to play yet (at work still) but I can't imagine a world where blitz support vs any Draven lane isn't free win? Either he catches the axe or you grab him, right?
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On June 07 2012 02:01 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 01:35 Perplex wrote:
Random thought: It would be really cool if this subforum could have an implementation for ELO display on posts. It would certainly give some posts a lot more credibility, and you would know who is talking out of there ass vs. who is actually good or at least above average. Appeal to authority, huh? You don't have to have high elo to know what you are talking about. People with high elo can also be completely wrong on some things. Besides, anyone with an elo > 1200 is already above average...
You really DO need to have high elo to know what you're talking about though. People who say "x is strong" or "x is better than y" could know what they're talking about in their respective ELO range, and then be completely wrong at the platinum level.
I've been lurking this sub-forum for about a year and posting infrequently, and it's pretty clear to me who has valuable insights and who doesn't. Occasionally, however, I'll see an oddball poster suggest something and I just think it would be cool to see what basis they have for their conjecture. That's all.
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oooh give us your poster tier list perplex
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On June 07 2012 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:
oooh give us your poster tier list perplex
no tier list, but here's some people who's ideas I like: 5hit, ghandi, smash, loci, soniv, shake, navitar, soloside, cloud... there are plenty more but those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head at the moment.
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We need a Perplex poster tier list thread that we can argue over. Soniv obviously doesn't belong in Tier 1.
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You can always just ask someone to elaborate or maybe I don't understand the question?
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It has always been numbers tier 1 poster, every1 else tier 2 poster. GG no re. /pelvic thrust :trollface: 
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On June 07 2012 06:18 Seuss wrote:
We need a Perplex poster tier list thread that we can argue over. Soniv obviously doesn't belong in Tier 1.
Woah woah woah, if gandhi belongs there, I certainly do. I DID carry his heavy ass to 2k, after all.
Edit: This just in - Heimer is, in fact, awesome.
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I will do my best to get into Eve tier.
Where to start...
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On June 07 2012 06:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
I will do my best to get into Eve tier.
Where to start...
Eve Tier is easy, just:
- Post in every active thread all the time. The more you post the more people will be exposed to your wonderful ideas.
- Always talk past everyone in a debate. If it's possible to make sense of your position it's possible to argue against it.
- Never include survivability items in an item build unless they're the wrong ones or come after at least 12k gold in offensive items.
- When you have nothing to say, say it in as many words as possible. When you have something to say, say it in no more than five words and do not elaborate.
- Make a champion thread for a champion you do not know how to play. Bonus points if a thread for that champion already exists.
That should get you started, good luck.
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