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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 20:08:31
May 29 2012 19:59 GMT
#1121
With regards to the Varus skill leveling order.

The bonus damage scaling on q is 1:1 while e is 1 : .6. Comparing level 5 q and e, at >205 AD q will do more damage with no charge up time. With Janna's shield, 2 doran's, bf sword, masteries, 15 ad from runes, base damage + base damage /level you will be at 210.5 ad. Now in a Janna lane it is possible to make a lvl 9 maxed q work for more damage than a maxed e.

If maxing w first in a burst lane @ lvl 13, 2 dorans, 15 from ad runes, ie, no janna shield, your AD is 226, and once again the damage on maxed q will be greater than maxed w.

I also feel using e offensively, can set you up for disaster. If you're only using the ultimate offensively, e is your only form of escape. If you decide to use the ultimate and go all in on a guy and use e to proc the first set of w's, you've used all of your self peeling. Using q to proc the w's and leaving e up gives you some kind of peeling, to possibly get away from a situation you didn't expect. (like you're about to kill the enemy, and all of a sudden a teleport gank/ shen ult/ the jungler was lane ganking and was camping that bot lane brush whole time/ all of the above etc)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 29 2012 20:02 GMT
#1122
Looks like abyssal is becoming standard in mid (in pro play). Where does this put chalice into athene's? Is abyssal for people who don't have mana problems?, and Chalice into athenes for those who do?
liftlift > tsm
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 29 2012 20:07 GMT
#1123
Yeah pretty much, abyssal is much more common on the non mana using AP's Vlad Ken Rumble
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 29 2012 20:12 GMT
#1124
Watching that fnatic vs m5 game i wonder why lamia is getting turret agro. He died in the last fight, and in another fight he was shut out because of turret agro lol.
hi
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 29 2012 20:15 GMT
#1125
On May 30 2012 04:59 Sabin010 wrote:
With regards to the Varus skill leveling order.

The bonus damage scaling on q is 1:1 while e is 1 : .6. Comparing level 5 q and e, at >205 AD q will do more damage with no charge up time. With Janna's shield, 2 doran's, bf sword, masteries, 15 ad from runes, base damage + base damage /level you will be at 210.5 ad. Now in a Janna lane it is possible to make a lvl 9 maxed q work for more damage than a maxed e.

If maxing w first in a burst lane @ lvl 13, 2 dorans, 15 from ad runes, ie, no janna shield, your AD is 226, and once again the damage on maxed q will be greater than maxed w.

I also feel using e offensively, can set you up for disaster. If you're only using the ultimate offensively, e is your only form of escape. If you decide to use the ultimate and go all in on a guy and use e to proc the first set of w's, you've used all of your self peeling. Using q to proc the w's and leaving e up gives you some kind of peeling, to possibly get away from a situation you didn't expect. (like you're about to kill the enemy, and all of a sudden a teleport gank/ shen ult/ the jungler was lane ganking and was camping that bot lane brush whole time/ all of the above etc)


except E does not get reduced damage from minion block, and leveled q is very expensive. Basically I say E>Q, unless Raka. But that's coming from supporting him, not playing him.
Carrilord has arrived.
HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
May 29 2012 20:18 GMT
#1126
Tried playing Poppy vs. Darius...didn't go well. His passive bleed crap goes right through your passive, and his ult does true damage. I think it will be pretty pointless to play Poppy these next few weeks, such a poor matchup.

On the plus side, I think my Kayle might be worth bringing up again!
Platinum III, Kayle/Janna/Ashe Fanboy, HUEHUEHUE
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 29 2012 20:20 GMT
#1127
Poppy loses hard to Olaf, not surprised to see she loses against Darius as well
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Jizla
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland235 Posts
May 29 2012 20:25 GMT
#1128
On May 30 2012 00:52 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 00:45 vertigo1 wrote:
people on general discussion are always discussing various team vs team games that are being streamed, but i have no idea where you guys are watching them. only streams i can find are first person of various people like the odd one and things.

where do you find the commentated streams of good teams playing tourneys?

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qd79c/reminder_use_the_lol_calendar_to_stay_informed/



This is possibly the greatest post in the LoL forums!!! Thanks!!!!
Vanished.... Like a wrinkly ninja.....
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 29 2012 20:28 GMT
#1129
Poppy loses to Swain and Olaf. Of course she'll get destroyed by somebody yielding both huge DoT and true damage.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13850 Posts
May 29 2012 20:32 GMT
#1130
Oh my god I feel like a pro. I've been watching wingsofdeath's stream vods and I saw him play a few games with jax and I managed to hold the creep wave in-between my tower and the river for 20 minutes almost always zoneing out the yi and got a 70 cs advantage.

Some of those tricks to pull creep aggro to one creep on your side to help the lane push your way are really fancy and hard to pull off, but they are totally worth it. The 2 tap minion jump then empower combo is so deadly hard and impossible to retaliate against with any conventional solo top with the dodge move.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 29 2012 20:37 GMT
#1131
Dunno, I usually try to jump, aa, empower to maximize the damage, but the swing of the lamppost is slow enough when you W that they usually manage to simply walk away if I don't stun them. x)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13850 Posts
May 29 2012 20:47 GMT
#1132
If you want to get fancy fancy you can start your e before you jump get the r proc off then stun and empower before getting another r proc. Whats the delay on how long you can proc the r after gettig you aa's?

Also is it worth it to get tough skin and bladed armor masteries for solo tops that manipulate the creep wave like I do? I'm tanking a little bit of dammage to move them off to the side. Does anyone else have any tips for lane/push manipulation?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
May 29 2012 20:54 GMT
#1133
bladed armor can really fuck you if you try to hold, they get low, then they move into tower range and you don't have the easy tower math to kill them with

just something to think about
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
May 29 2012 21:01 GMT
#1134
http://www.twitch.tv/kaostv

Chalice on Ashe from M5
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 29 2012 21:04 GMT
#1135
game on wickd's stream just now was why I love watching CLG.EU, I think they started 0-4, turned it into a one sided game in their favor.
Carrilord has arrived.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
May 29 2012 21:04 GMT
#1136
On May 30 2012 05:47 Sermokala wrote:
If you want to get fancy fancy you can start your e before you jump get the r proc off then stun and empower before getting another r proc. Whats the delay on how long you can proc the r after gettig you aa's?

Also is it worth it to get tough skin and bladed armor masteries for solo tops that manipulate the creep wave like I do? I'm tanking a little bit of dammage to move them off to the side. Does anyone else have any tips for lane/push manipulation?

Just stick with tough skin (and indomitable if def specced) if you are planning on harassing heavily with aa's, bladed armor makes lane manipulation harder imo.
R proc lasts 2.5 seconds, so you can use his passive as a timer.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 29 2012 21:06 GMT
#1137
On May 30 2012 06:01 HeroHenry wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/kaostv

Chalice on Ashe from M5



It makes sense though. Won't matter, xpeke #1 karthus huehue.
hi
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
May 29 2012 21:07 GMT
#1138
On May 30 2012 05:32 Sermokala wrote:
Oh my god I feel like a pro. I've been watching wingsofdeath's stream vods and I saw him play a few games with jax and I managed to hold the creep wave in-between my tower and the river for 20 minutes almost always zoneing out the yi and got a 70 cs advantage.

Some of those tricks to pull creep aggro to one creep on your side to help the lane push your way are really fancy and hard to pull off, but they are totally worth it. The 2 tap minion jump then empower combo is so deadly hard and impossible to retaliate against with any conventional solo top with the dodge move.


What's this draw creep aggro trick and is it common knowledge?
Stuck.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 21:38:44
May 29 2012 21:25 GMT
#1139
There was a guide on lane freezing on reddit Ill try to find it for you Wala

I think its drawing minion aggro by attacking the enemy champion then luring the minions to your side
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
May 29 2012 21:45 GMT
#1140
On May 30 2012 06:25 MooMooMugi wrote:
There was a guide on lane freezing on reddit Ill try to find it for you Wala

I think its drawing minion aggro by attacking the enemy champion then luring the minions to your side


Summarized version (or what I remember it by)
- Get minion aggro
- Walk to the side
- Melee minions in front will 1v2 or 1v3 one of your minions, pushing your lane
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