EPTOn May 24 2012 12:54 Cloud9157 wrote:
What is the range on his hook even? Trying to think of skills that outrange it.
What is the range on his hook even? Trying to think of skills that outrange it.
hook range is pretty short... it's 550.
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
hook range is pretty short... it's 550. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Darius outdamaged kayle a lottt though. :s And it's hard for her to run cause the moment she activates e and q's, he can pull her in and then starts beating you up. I think it seems to be a big skill matchup rather than a counter. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 24 2012 12:54 Cloud9157 wrote: What is the range on his hook even? Trying to think of skills that outrange it. It is 550 range. Lots of stuff outranges it realistically. I dunno, its not even in lane that I think Darius is OP. I think his ult is OP in the fact that it is a huge true damage nuke clearly meant to execute things that actually refreshes on execute. More than that it basically guarantees that Darius will be farmed and a threat, even if he loses his lane hard. Because his ult allows him to get back in the game even if he has negatively snowballed ridiculously hard out of the game he is pretty much always a threat and a priority target, which as far as I am concerned is just kind of broken. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 24 2012 13:03 BlackPaladin wrote: So, in the buy screen, wasn't it always dorans items followed by all other items based off ascending gold value. So it would be dorans blade -> longsword -> pickaxe etcetc. Cause now it's in ascending order regardless it seems? longsword -> dorans blade -> pickaxe. o.o The items always looked to be in a random order to me, for example trundle having frozen mallet as a 4th item with a LW ad 5th. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
It's always been price in ascending order, but i remember dorans items used to always be first, but now it's in gold order for that too now. Or am i just going mad lol | ||
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Craton
United States17305 Posts
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SoJu.WeRRa
Korea (South)820 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On May 24 2012 12:33 warscythes wrote: Shouldn't Kayle hard counter Darius? You get to kite him forever in lane and your ult directly counter his ultimate. He pushes really well but so do you. I don't see the downside here unless you mess up and let him hook you. i watched wingsofdeathx play that exact matchup as darius vs kayle, and since the hook is abt the same range as kayle's q, every time kayle would try to q him, he would hook her in and start bashing on her, making it nearly impossible for kayle to kite him. Basically, the way he explained it, the problem is that the animation for kayle q is easy to react too and instahook, combined with the slow and the enormous dmg output means she is always trading blows, and not doing her usual cutesy, floaty stuff. edit: i also just played jax vs darius, and i have to say that jax seems to do pretty well vs him. Was dc'd for the first 3 mins, and was like 2-3ish lvls behind, but still managed to come back and fight him 1v1 and kill him. Had a good shyv gank, so hard to tell for sure, and I got the feeling the darius wasn't terribly good either. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
the change to frost arrows was an insane buff that wasn't even needed, also new splash art x5 is OP too | ||
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
Like I just rush straight to my final items 1 by 1 Should I be building like hexdrinker+phage? Or just Frozen Mallet straight away? | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 24 2012 14:07 OutlaW- wrote: So since there is no Darius thread yet, what are your builds? I can't really decide what's the best because I get fed every game either way. So far I kinda liked Bloodthirster > Maw, unsure whether or not a brutalizer is worth it. ive been jungling mostly with something like wriggles hog phage aegis i feel thats not the best though, havent got a chance to try out the build saint is recommending wriggles hog bt randuins bt. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On May 24 2012 14:18 tokicheese wrote: This is probably a stupid question but I never build mid game items... Like I just rush straight to my final items 1 by 1 Should I be building like hexdrinker+phage? Or just Frozen Mallet straight away? it really depends, on a lot of things. I find more often than not, I end up with a bunch of pieces of items rather than full items tho. So, from that example, then yes, I would probably go phage + hex rather than straight mallet/triforce or maw. That said, there are enough exceptions that i wouldn't call it a rule. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On May 24 2012 14:27 arb wrote: ive been jungling mostly with something like wriggles hog phage aegis i feel thats not the best though, havent got a chance to try out the build saint is recommending wriggles hog bt randuins bt. I really feel that the phage is unnecessary since Darius has a hook for ganking that can be followed up on by a slow + ulti. It feels to me like you'd much rather get damage and large amounts of frontloaded burst over the ability to stayed glued to someone + Show Spoiler + wingsofdeathx was discussing brutalizer on stream earlier. the arpen scales with E but it's rare to max that early which is when the arpen makes the largest impact. The other thing is that hemorrhage is magic, ulti is true damage so you don't get as much use out of it as riven for example. Edit:: read a bit more, read post ~3 down. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
He has a really small mana pool which really limits how he uses his moves. I wouldn't necessarily call him OP on his ult since i found myself low on mana many times and that prevented me from outright acing everyone. I could buy some mana item but I feel it reduces your dps significantly in a teamfight. Also, his ult's animation doesnt make him untargetable (like fiora's ult) so this means you can die/cc right before your ult finishes someone :/. The only problem I see is that his ult needs tweaked since it seems it has way too much reward (cd refresh huge nukes) without enough consequnces (irelia ult pre nerf). Alot of his moves have small ranges so he does get bullied kinda hard vs. range. In a way he is like renekton but much weaker (darius) vs range. However I feel that because of his high potential damage output, if he can catch up to the target, they, riot, should weaken his base a little bit (he has a built in armr pen) because I can't but help feel that he is like nocturne on release date (build tank items/no dps but still do considerable damage) or Dr. Mundo. He remains to be a priority in fights in all stages (true damage is always good) despite his laning phase win or loss (which is usually him being dominant) making him a very powerful pick. off topic: This is what I think will work on him-- I will get if opponent team comp is balanced relatively: frozen mallet randuins Maw Mort ninja tabi or merc treads boot IE ??(situational/troll/ etc...) maybe ghostblade masteries: 9/21/0 runes: phy damage flat or armr pen reds, MS quints, flat yellow, MR per lvl blue I feel this gives him alot of durability. The reasons for this build is that I feel he is more of a threat if he is made to dps and not burst (much like vladimir playstyle). If he can outlive his opponent or survive long enough then he will win the fight (i.e his ult) by nuking them once they reach the appropriate hp. ***I have considered getting cdr for his w and AS but I feel that it doesn't work very well personally. what do you guys think? | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On May 24 2012 14:07 OutlaW- wrote: So since there is no Darius thread yet, what are your builds? I can't really decide what's the best because I get fed every game either way. So far I kinda liked Bloodthirster > Maw, unsure whether or not a brutalizer is worth it. brutalizer is absolutely worth it. E gives passive PERCENTAGE based armor pen. If you have arpen reds and build a brutalizer with 2 points in E by the time you get your bruta, you do absolutely retarded amounts of damage. I've done this the last 3 games and noticed a huge DPS increase after that there's a few ways you can go. BT is obviously a good choice so I usually always get that. Next, last whisper, fmallet, and GA are all viable options. LW if they're building armor, fmallet if you need sticking power (neccesary to stack passive), or GA if you're the only major threat on your stream. Another build i've been experimenting with is going brutalizer -> iedge -> ghostblade -> standard build The reason I think this is good is because his W can crit, and when it does, the damage is absolutely insane. iedge + ghostblade gives you 40% crit chance along with 250% crit damage. Not to mention the ghostblade active is wickedly effective at applying hemmorage stacks. There's still a lot of experimenting to do, but I may consider making a guide on here once I find the most optimal builds for him. | ||
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Harrow
United States245 Posts
On May 24 2012 14:02 barbsq wrote: edit: i also just played jax vs darius, and i have to say that jax seems to do pretty well vs him. Was dc'd for the first 3 mins, and was like 2-3ish lvls behind, but still managed to come back and fight him 1v1 and kill him. Had a good shyv gank, so hard to tell for sure, and I got the feeling the darius wasn't terribly good either. I played against Jax earlier as Darius. I think he COULD'VE won the lane pretty hard, but he made questionable decisions and I ended up killing him twice early, surviving with a sliver of health. Once I had a lead, I could roam and gank into a hard snowball. But yeah, I was left with the impression that a good Jax could've beat me up. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On May 24 2012 14:49 Perplex wrote: brutalizer is absolutely worth it. E gives passive PERCENTAGE based armor pen. If you have arpen reds and build a brutalizer with 2 points in E by the time you get your bruta, you do absolutely retarded amounts of damage. I've done this the last 3 games and noticed a huge DPS increase The problem with getting brutalizer looking at the formulas is that percentage arpen is taken LAST. If a target has 100 armour and you have 15 arpen + brutalizer + masteries if you went 21 offense: flats applied first: target has 64 armour. -10% from your E, 57.6 armour. Every point in E gave you 3.2 arpen. Yes brutalizer is an amazing item for a lane bully like darius, no it is not worth levelling E beyond one point just for the arpen. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
I see Ren as effective as always. Only thing i was ever worried about was a gank from jungler because i was winning the lane pretty hard. so i had to do less healing on minions and a lot more safe positioning.  | ||
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