EPTHecarim outfarmed me by a good amount on the other team...
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
Hecarim outfarmed me by a good amount on the other team... | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
Any champ can jungle, sure. However, it's pure bullshit to claim that every champ could jungle well in either the old jungle, or in the new one for that matter. If you think what makes a jungler is their just their ability to clear the jungle, you're completely out of touch with what jungling is about. It's the combination of all factors, not the least of which is the ability to maintain a high enough level of HP to do something outside of your jungle, whether it be ganking, counter-ganking, or contesting an objective. Gank presence, counter-jungling, general map presence (e.g. global ult teleports), and so forth are all incredibly important aspects that factor into a good jungler. You don't have to be amazing in all areas, but significant weaknesses in any can greatly impact how good of a jungler a champ is. Panth and TF junglers are perfect examples of champs who are pretty poor junglers overall, but their extreme map presence and unwardable ganks can offset this. A huge number of champions simply clear very slowly, get enormously low in the jungle to the point of being incapable of doing anything but clear camps for a very long period (which also makes them extremely easy to counterjungle and disrupt), or have incredibly weak ganks that aren't sufficiently offset by other aspects of their kit. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On May 08 2012 05:35 Ryuu314 wrote: I hate the jungle change because instead of letting more junglers become viable as was teh intention, it actually, imo, made less champs viable simply because certain champs/kits became so much better than others at jungling. Case in point, Fiddle went from super popular to one of the shittiest champs in LoL. I still have nightmares about some Fiddlesticks on my team who was playing him two months after jungle changes and doing stupid crap like trying to fight a Nocturne when he was way behind on farm and had died multiple times already. The whole time he kept arguing Fiddlesticks jungle is fine while he's trying to 1v1 Nocturne. I don't know why anyone would even bother arguing this when he clears small camps so slowly. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
He does still have terrifying ganks, especially when he gets to level 6. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:12 Craton wrote: Fiddle can still work, it's just hard to get rolling. It's a good normals jungler 'cause you can get fed so easily. While true, what isn't a good normals jungler :D | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/ To me seems Q - Different take on ezreal W - MF w + lux passive? E - MF e with a healing regen debuff R - Have to wait to try it. Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:00 LaM wrote: Fiddle can still work, it's just hard to get rolling. It's a good normals jungler 'cause you can get fed so easily. I just wanna point out that twitch is #1 normal/1400- elo jungler. Everyone works in normals :O | ||
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:15 Abenson wrote: I just wanna point out that twitch is #1 normal/1400- elo jungler. Everyone works in normals :O I feel misquoted... | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:14 Sufinsil wrote: Varus preview at pcgamer.com http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/ To me seems Q - Different take on ezreal W - MF w + lux passive? E - MF e with a healing regen debuff R - Have to wait to try it. Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet. Every single time a new champ comes out people talk about them without playing it themselves and end up looking dumb (except they don't because no one goes back). Not saying you are wrong, he might be bland, but I just am so confused about how people make judgements before they actually play the champ. I kid you not when Ahri came out there were posts that went like this: Her q is basically sivir's q but true damage on the way back Her w is basically heimer's w but delayed a little bit Her e is basically shen's taunt but ranged Her r is basically akali's ult but three charges all at once This champ is basically a remix of other champ's abilities, so unoriginal. And I facepalm. Ahri is nothing like those champs and is really quite unique in playstyle imo. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:14 Sufinsil wrote: Varus preview at pcgamer.com http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/ To me seems Q - Different take on ezreal W - MF w + lux passive? E - MF e with a healing regen debuff R - Have to wait to try it. Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet. Are you kidding?! He's all like, heck yeah I have all the range! Running? Nope, chained to the ground? Trying to get away with half health? NP, Q you for a billion damage! He's a AD with amazing range and a very powerful AoE snare. That's balleritude right there. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:29 petered wrote: Every single time a new champ comes out people talk about them without playing it themselves and end up looking dumb (except they don't because no one goes back). Not saying you are wrong, he might be bland, but I just am so confused about how people make judgements before they actually play the champ. I kid you not when Ahri came out there were posts that went like this: Her q is basically sivir's q but true damage on the way back Her w is basically heimer's w but delayed a little bit Her e is basically shen's taunt but ranged Her r is basically akali's ult but three charges all at once This champ is basically a remix of other champ's abilities, so unoriginal. And I facepalm. Ahri is nothing like those champs and is really quite unique in playstyle imo. to be fair, ahri's Q is basically sivir's Q lol | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:29 petered wrote: Every single time a new champ comes out people talk about them without playing it themselves and end up looking dumb (except they don't because no one goes back). Not saying you are wrong, he might be bland, but I just am so confused about how people make judgements before they actually play the champ. I kid you not when Ahri came out there were posts that went like this: Her q is basically sivir's q but true damage on the way back Her w is basically heimer's w but delayed a little bit Her e is basically shen's taunt but ranged Her r is basically akali's ult but three charges all at once This champ is basically a remix of other champ's abilities, so unoriginal. And I facepalm. Ahri is nothing like those champs and is really quite unique in playstyle imo. Ahri isn't anything like those champions, I would agree with you. But her skills are very similar to the skills those champions have. I don't think it's a stretch to compare her Q to Sivir Q, or her E to Shen taunt, or her R to Akali R. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:45 overt wrote: Ahri isn't anything like those champions, I would agree with you. But her skills are very similar to the skills those champions have. I don't think it's a stretch to compare her Q to Sivir Q, or her E to Shen taunt, or her R to Akali R. Not saying it is bad comparisons, but to call the champ a rehash is dumb. She plays out wildly differently than any of those champs, so even if comparisons can be made, I don't think you can decide how a champ plays just by looking at the basics of a skill by itself. Hence I think ahri is pretty fresh champ design that plays out quite uniquely. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:31 Praetorial wrote: Are you kidding?! He's all like, heck yeah I have all the range! Running? Nope, chained to the ground? Trying to get away with half health? NP, Q you for a billion damage! He's a AD with amazing range and a very powerful AoE snare. That's balleritude right there. I fear that he's just one more reason that Ezreal will fall by the wayside :\ His poke seems really strong, and he actually has a modicum of CC. If anything, he strikes me as a mix between Twitch, MF, and Ashe, though these comparisons are silly. I can foresee some mana problems in the early game if you spam Q, but having W as a free passive and his passive AS would probably make that less noticeable. His harass will probably be sick (free AS + stacking DoT + poke of doom + AoE poke + ult which seems to ignore minions), so I can see him being pretty good there. Late game, his W seems like it will help him keep up (% health damage is nice), but being magic of course hurts a bit. He has a nice engage for team fights, AoE damage that scales pretty well (Q + E is 2.6% AD if E hits for full duration) keeps his burst up. It seems practical to try and kill a minion before engaging for that little bit of AS, and his slow plus the 40% AS after killing a champ makes him sound like a great clean up killer. Seems cool, I'll probably at least try him out. I still like Ez's spammy style, but this burst + DoTs seems neat. | ||
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
That is all. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
And don't think I didn't see you hopping. | ||
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