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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
May 07 2012 22:01 GMT
#1441
I just played a game as jungle Jarman and god this guy is slow compared to Udyr or Mundo I'm used to play. Needed AD quints probably.
Hecarim outfarmed me by a good amount on the other team...
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 22:11:02
May 07 2012 22:02 GMT
#1442
lol

Any champ can jungle, sure. However, it's pure bullshit to claim that every champ could jungle well in either the old jungle, or in the new one for that matter.

If you think what makes a jungler is their just their ability to clear the jungle, you're completely out of touch with what jungling is about. It's the combination of all factors, not the least of which is the ability to maintain a high enough level of HP to do something outside of your jungle, whether it be ganking, counter-ganking, or contesting an objective. Gank presence, counter-jungling, general map presence (e.g. global ult teleports), and so forth are all incredibly important aspects that factor into a good jungler.

You don't have to be amazing in all areas, but significant weaknesses in any can greatly impact how good of a jungler a champ is. Panth and TF junglers are perfect examples of champs who are pretty poor junglers overall, but their extreme map presence and unwardable ganks can offset this. A huge number of champions simply clear very slowly, get enormously low in the jungle to the point of being incapable of doing anything but clear camps for a very long period (which also makes them extremely easy to counterjungle and disrupt), or have incredibly weak ganks that aren't sufficiently offset by other aspects of their kit.
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 22:19:18
May 07 2012 22:05 GMT
#1443
On May 08 2012 05:35 Ryuu314 wrote:
I hate the jungle change because instead of letting more junglers become viable as was teh intention, it actually, imo, made less champs viable simply because certain champs/kits became so much better than others at jungling. Case in point, Fiddle went from super popular to one of the shittiest champs in LoL.


I still have nightmares about some Fiddlesticks on my team who was playing him two months after jungle changes and doing stupid crap like trying to fight a Nocturne when he was way behind on farm and had died multiple times already. The whole time he kept arguing Fiddlesticks jungle is fine while he's trying to 1v1 Nocturne.

I don't know why anyone would even bother arguing this when he clears small camps so slowly.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
May 07 2012 22:12 GMT
#1444
Fiddle can still work, it's just hard to get rolling. It's a good normals jungler 'cause you can get fed so easily.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
May 07 2012 22:31 GMT
#1445
Fiddles needs his bouncy crows to do more damage to minions or something. His clears are terrible.

He does still have terrifying ganks, especially when he gets to level 6.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 22:53:59
May 07 2012 22:53 GMT
#1446
fiddle is a very interesting jungler because his upsides are game changers (good scaling with levels and farm, extremely strong ganks especially mid-lane, high utility and teamfight presence) but his downsides are crippling (slow, strong counterpicks in the jungle and general teamcomp, blue depenand). i think he is kinda like master yi and those other highly situational picks: if you pick him into the right game he carries but if you pick him into the false one he is a deadweight. his impact is extreme in both cases.
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LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
May 07 2012 23:00 GMT
#1447
On May 08 2012 07:12 Craton wrote:
Fiddle can still work, it's just hard to get rolling. It's a good normals jungler 'cause you can get fed so easily.


While true, what isn't a good normals jungler :D
Anything is Possible
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 07 2012 23:13 GMT
#1448
Not a good normals jungler: Amumu/Nautiulus,Malphite, any team basically that needs team coordination, assuming ur solo Q'ing normals that is
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
May 07 2012 23:14 GMT
#1449
Varus preview at pcgamer.com

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/

To me seems
Q - Different take on ezreal
W - MF w + lux passive?
E - MF e with a healing regen debuff
R - Have to wait to try it.

Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
May 07 2012 23:15 GMT
#1450
On May 08 2012 08:00 LaM wrote:

Fiddle can still work, it's just hard to get rolling. It's a good normals jungler 'cause you can get fed so easily.


I just wanna point out that twitch is #1 normal/1400- elo jungler.
Everyone works in normals :O
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
May 07 2012 23:27 GMT
#1451
On May 08 2012 08:15 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 08:00 LaM wrote:

Fiddle can still work, it's just hard to get rolling. It's a good normals jungler 'cause you can get fed so easily.


I just wanna point out that twitch is #1 normal/1400- elo jungler.
Everyone works in normals :O


I feel misquoted...
Anything is Possible
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
May 07 2012 23:29 GMT
#1452
On May 08 2012 08:14 Sufinsil wrote:
Varus preview at pcgamer.com

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/

To me seems
Q - Different take on ezreal
W - MF w + lux passive?
E - MF e with a healing regen debuff
R - Have to wait to try it.

Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet.


Every single time a new champ comes out people talk about them without playing it themselves and end up looking dumb (except they don't because no one goes back). Not saying you are wrong, he might be bland, but I just am so confused about how people make judgements before they actually play the champ.

I kid you not when Ahri came out there were posts that went like this:

Her q is basically sivir's q but true damage on the way back
Her w is basically heimer's w but delayed a little bit
Her e is basically shen's taunt but ranged
Her r is basically akali's ult but three charges all at once

This champ is basically a remix of other champ's abilities, so unoriginal.

And I facepalm. Ahri is nothing like those champs and is really quite unique in playstyle imo.


This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 23:39:29
May 07 2012 23:31 GMT
#1453
On May 08 2012 08:14 Sufinsil wrote:
Varus preview at pcgamer.com

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/

To me seems
Q - Different take on ezreal
W - MF w + lux passive?
E - MF e with a healing regen debuff
R - Have to wait to try it.

Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet.


Are you kidding?! He's all like, heck yeah I have all the range! Running? Nope, chained to the ground? Trying to get away with half health? NP, Q you for a billion damage!

He's a AD with amazing range and a very powerful AoE snare. That's balleritude right there.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 07 2012 23:38 GMT
#1454
I recently recruited a friend to LoL who has never played this game genre before, he keeps asking me for advice and mixing parts of different guides, so I wrote a guide using solomid for learning to play levels 1-30 using Gangplank, I was wondering if anybody would be willing to read/review my guide before I publish, please pm me for link.
Carrilord has arrived.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 07 2012 23:43 GMT
#1455
On May 08 2012 08:29 petered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 08:14 Sufinsil wrote:
Varus preview at pcgamer.com

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/

To me seems
Q - Different take on ezreal
W - MF w + lux passive?
E - MF e with a healing regen debuff
R - Have to wait to try it.

Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet.


Every single time a new champ comes out people talk about them without playing it themselves and end up looking dumb (except they don't because no one goes back). Not saying you are wrong, he might be bland, but I just am so confused about how people make judgements before they actually play the champ.

I kid you not when Ahri came out there were posts that went like this:

Her q is basically sivir's q but true damage on the way back
Her w is basically heimer's w but delayed a little bit
Her e is basically shen's taunt but ranged
Her r is basically akali's ult but three charges all at once

This champ is basically a remix of other champ's abilities, so unoriginal.

And I facepalm. Ahri is nothing like those champs and is really quite unique in playstyle imo.



to be fair, ahri's Q is basically sivir's Q lol
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 07 2012 23:45 GMT
#1456
On May 08 2012 08:29 petered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 08:14 Sufinsil wrote:
Varus preview at pcgamer.com

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/

To me seems
Q - Different take on ezreal
W - MF w + lux passive?
E - MF e with a healing regen debuff
R - Have to wait to try it.

Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet.


Every single time a new champ comes out people talk about them without playing it themselves and end up looking dumb (except they don't because no one goes back). Not saying you are wrong, he might be bland, but I just am so confused about how people make judgements before they actually play the champ.

I kid you not when Ahri came out there were posts that went like this:

Her q is basically sivir's q but true damage on the way back
Her w is basically heimer's w but delayed a little bit
Her e is basically shen's taunt but ranged
Her r is basically akali's ult but three charges all at once

This champ is basically a remix of other champ's abilities, so unoriginal.

And I facepalm. Ahri is nothing like those champs and is really quite unique in playstyle imo.




Ahri isn't anything like those champions, I would agree with you. But her skills are very similar to the skills those champions have. I don't think it's a stretch to compare her Q to Sivir Q, or her E to Shen taunt, or her R to Akali R.
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
May 07 2012 23:49 GMT
#1457
On May 08 2012 08:45 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 08:29 petered wrote:
On May 08 2012 08:14 Sufinsil wrote:
Varus preview at pcgamer.com

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/

To me seems
Q - Different take on ezreal
W - MF w + lux passive?
E - MF e with a healing regen debuff
R - Have to wait to try it.

Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet.


Every single time a new champ comes out people talk about them without playing it themselves and end up looking dumb (except they don't because no one goes back). Not saying you are wrong, he might be bland, but I just am so confused about how people make judgements before they actually play the champ.

I kid you not when Ahri came out there were posts that went like this:

Her q is basically sivir's q but true damage on the way back
Her w is basically heimer's w but delayed a little bit
Her e is basically shen's taunt but ranged
Her r is basically akali's ult but three charges all at once

This champ is basically a remix of other champ's abilities, so unoriginal.

And I facepalm. Ahri is nothing like those champs and is really quite unique in playstyle imo.




Ahri isn't anything like those champions, I would agree with you. But her skills are very similar to the skills those champions have. I don't think it's a stretch to compare her Q to Sivir Q, or her E to Shen taunt, or her R to Akali R.


Not saying it is bad comparisons, but to call the champ a rehash is dumb. She plays out wildly differently than any of those champs, so even if comparisons can be made, I don't think you can decide how a champ plays just by looking at the basics of a skill by itself. Hence I think ahri is pretty fresh champ design that plays out quite uniquely.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 08 2012 00:01 GMT
#1458
On May 08 2012 08:31 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 08:14 Sufinsil wrote:
Varus preview at pcgamer.com

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/05/07/champion-roundtable-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution/

To me seems
Q - Different take on ezreal
W - MF w + lux passive?
E - MF e with a healing regen debuff
R - Have to wait to try it.

Dunno. Does not seem unique enough to pick up first day. Not sure yet.


Are you kidding?! He's all like, heck yeah I have all the range! Running? Nope, chained to the ground? Trying to get away with half health? NP, Q you for a billion damage!

He's a AD with amazing range and a very powerful AoE snare. That's balleritude right there.

I fear that he's just one more reason that Ezreal will fall by the wayside :\ His poke seems really strong, and he actually has a modicum of CC. If anything, he strikes me as a mix between Twitch, MF, and Ashe, though these comparisons are silly.

I can foresee some mana problems in the early game if you spam Q, but having W as a free passive and his passive AS would probably make that less noticeable. His harass will probably be sick (free AS + stacking DoT + poke of doom + AoE poke + ult which seems to ignore minions), so I can see him being pretty good there.

Late game, his W seems like it will help him keep up (% health damage is nice), but being magic of course hurts a bit. He has a nice engage for team fights, AoE damage that scales pretty well (Q + E is 2.6% AD if E hits for full duration) keeps his burst up. It seems practical to try and kill a minion before engaging for that little bit of AS, and his slow plus the 40% AS after killing a champ makes him sound like a great clean up killer.

Seems cool, I'll probably at least try him out. I still like Ez's spammy style, but this burst + DoTs seems neat.
It's your boy Guzma!
Lancer723
Profile Joined September 2011
United States486 Posts
May 08 2012 00:22 GMT
#1459
I am obligated to say that usnip is an asshole based on his tryhardedness jax play.

That is all.
LoL ID - Lancer723 Gold III
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 00:26:10
May 08 2012 00:25 GMT
#1460
Cut me a break, man, I stuck to the agreement for like 8 minutes. do you know hard that is vs teemo?

And don't think I didn't see you hopping.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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