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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:20 TheYango wrote: I've said this since before he was nerfed: the only regrettable thing about Lee Sin's design is that every other champ isn't as awesome as he is. I on the other hand think that the only regrettable thing about Lee Sin's design is the jungle remake and level 2 red buff ganks. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:40 Mogwai wrote: I on the other hand think th at the only regrettable thing about Lee Sin's design is the jungle remake and level 2 red buff ganks. I still maintain that the jungle remake was the single worst thing they implemented in the past year. And that includes release Leblanc. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:43 Two_DoWn wrote: I still maintain that the jungle remake was the single worst thing they implemented in the past year. And that includes release Leblanc. I'm pretty sure Leblanc was released more than a year ago. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:44 Mogwai wrote: I'm pretty sure Leblanc was released more than a year ago. uuuh she should be just inside a year i think. I remember hearing about her right before finals last year. huh. November 2 2010. Wrong semester. Point stands though. The remake sucked. That WCG patch was the best state LoL was in. Then they thrashed it. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:44 Mogwai wrote: I'm pretty sure Leblanc was released more than a year ago. Nov 2, 2010 to be exact. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.104 | ||
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Celial
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Gimme feedback gogogoog :D <3 | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:23 Lmui wrote: In Froggen's AMA a while back the 5 mids he said that one HAD to know were galio, ahri, kennen, morgana and ryze. Ahri would be my recommendation, you have power, mobility would be a good addition to your roster. I agree with this, you already use Cassio (which should probably be the 6th name on that list), whose main weaknesses are based on her weak mobility and on-demand cc. Ahri fixes both of that. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:43 Two_DoWn wrote: I still maintain that the jungle remake was the single worst thing they implemented in the past year. And that includes release Leblanc. The initial jungle remake was horrifically bad, but the end result is not something worthy of being labeled the "worst". | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:59 Seuss wrote: The initial jungle remake was horrifically bad, but the end result is not something worthy of being labeled the "worst". I dont actually think they changed much from the "horrifically bad" system. Only thing I can remember is the inconcequential banking system and possibly a VERY small exp increase, but thats it. Its just a case of getting used to the new crappy jungle and convincing ourselves that its not THAT bad just cuz we dont have any choice. But even then, the comparison between the state of the jungle we had in the last patch prior to the change (WCG) to what we have now is like comparing a Filet Minon to a flank steak. Sure the flank steak will do ya, but it just doesnt compare. Thats why I consider it the worst change. We saw something that was the best it had ever been, then it got reworked for no good reason. | ||
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Eiii
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chalice
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 08 2012 05:12 Eiii wrote: Can you talk about what the negative consequences of the changes were? I didn't play jungle at all at the time, but a friend who played lee sin was really unhappy and felt that his ability to affect games went way down. tbh I didn't feel too sorry for him. eh, he's also wrong. lee actually benefited quite a bit from the remake IMO. Mobility went up a ton in jungle value and he's got that in spades. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Clearest example is the struggle that TOO had: instead of being able to focus on helping lanes while still keeping up on levels and gold (longer respawn timers and higher gains) he struggled with the balance between farming and ganking. I also consider the pre change jungle to be the best we ever saw. Games were much more dynamic BECAUSE jungles would clear, then have 30 seconds before a buff came up so they were free to go about the map and try to make things happen. It basically came back to Riot's seeming philosophy to make it impossible for anyone to actually die because then people might feel bad. On May 08 2012 05:16 Mogwai wrote: eh, he's also wrong. lee actually benefited quite a bit from the remake IMO. Mobility went up a ton in jungle value and he's got that in spades. Yes and no IMO. He certainly benifited from the standpoint of the level 2 red gank, and the fact that mobility is key (as you noted) as well as the fact that he excells against low health champs (which made his counterjungle much more impressive because of the decreased leveling speed of the enemy jungle). However, LS REALLY loved the fact that he could easily gank and not have to worry about losing farm or exp because his camps hadn't respawned. It meant gank time was essentially free. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
This is not to mention counterjungling was, imo anyways, much more dynamic in the old jungle whereas in new jungle it's kinda meh outside of taking buffs. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 08 2012 05:36 Node wrote: Why are level 2 ganks / lane camps so much more popular after the change? Is it just because junglers have more health after doing red now? Or is it the decreased opportunity cost of doing so? (ie it's just less of a trade-off than it was before) I don't want to start another row with T_D over this, but I still see it as a decreased opportunity cost of doing so. | ||
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