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deskscaress
Profile Joined May 2011
United States399 Posts
May 16 2012 08:28 GMT
#3441
On May 16 2012 17:20 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 16:39 Vlanitak wrote:
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.

Best moment? hm hard to choose, but I must Jozrael or w/e his names was quite entertaining (was back when we still had the 1 large thread - transitioning into the sub-forum.)

Oh and pretty much any of Callers longer posts.

Played 2 games on NA while the D3 servers were down, had 2 quite enjoyable games with MF and Graves right clicking and killing everything. I feel like MF is really strong, is there something I am missing since I dont see her used as much in tournies etc? I mean against lanes such as soraka or sona the healing debuff is pretty strong, her Q, if hit correctly, deals a lot of damage. And the slow to help with ganks+ ulti that is really good with any AoE stun you could bring to a teamfight. Iunno I think I am missing something, might have been because I usually play against Ashe, Cait or Corki with MF or?


oh god, i miss jazriel in a sick and twisted kind of way


Crit runes on AP mids so you can get crits to win the lane. Dude was a SAVANT, in a Two_Down, say-everything-possible-so-you-have-to-be-right-sometimes-kind-of-way.
would you ever miss it?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
May 16 2012 08:36 GMT
#3442
How do I improve my farming aside from just going into customs and practicing last hitting? I notice every game I win is because I dominate my lane or when I play jungle, it's when I get off several early ganks. I never seem to be able to sustain an advantage in an evenly matched lane. Even when I stay even in CS, by late in the game I really fall off in gold.

I feel like it's just when I choose to farm as when I go to clear minion waves, a teamfight will start and I can't commit to that if we have any chance of winning it. Then when we group up mid or whatever and I'm ready for the teamfight, it's just a big standoff and I miss a lot of farming opportunity.
RIP Aaliyah
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 08:58:39
May 16 2012 08:50 GMT
#3443
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.

Definitely Cloud trying to convince player thousands of Elo above his level that post-buff pre-nerf Shen wasn't overpowered because his 1500 Friends say so.

Oh, and obviously whenever Unichan updates us on her fabulous nails. <3 <3 <3

On May 16 2012 17:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How do I improve my farming aside from just going into customs and practicing last hitting? I notice every game I win is because I dominate my lane or when I play jungle, it's when I get off several early ganks. I never seem to be able to sustain an advantage in an evenly matched lane. Even when I stay even in CS, by late in the game I really fall off in gold.

I feel like it's just when I choose to farm as when I go to clear minion waves, a teamfight will start and I can't commit to that if we have any chance of winning it. Then when we group up mid or whatever and I'm ready for the teamfight, it's just a big standoff and I miss a lot of farming opportunity.

Learn when to push and when to freeze lanes, it's not that much about having X farm at Y minutes but rather just having more farm in comparison to everyone. Try to counterjungle after pushing lanes if you play mid/bot, think about WHEN to leave your lane and when not. Time objectives and push your lane accordingly so you lose minimum amounts of CS.

Also, know when to screw CS and group up. It's not worth finishing off your 5th item by farming bot 39 minutes into the game if your team loses baron in the process.
currently rooting for myself.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 09:00:46
May 16 2012 08:57 GMT
#3444
On May 16 2012 17:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How do I improve my farming aside from just going into customs and practicing last hitting? I notice every game I win is because I dominate my lane or when I play jungle, it's when I get off several early ganks. I never seem to be able to sustain an advantage in an evenly matched lane. Even when I stay even in CS, by late in the game I really fall off in gold.

Which lane?
Cackle™
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
May 16 2012 09:01 GMT
#3445
Jazriel... I vote for jazriel
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 16 2012 09:07 GMT
#3446
On May 16 2012 17:50 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.

Definitely Cloud trying to convince player thousands of Elo above his level that post-buff pre-nerf Shen wasn't overpowered because his 1500 Friends say so.


See? This guy knows what I'm talking about!
Hey! How you doin'?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 16 2012 09:07 GMT
#3447
Jazriel was amazing. Especially when after he got banned he proceeded to go to SmashBoards and post there.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
May 16 2012 09:11 GMT
#3448
On May 16 2012 18:07 HazMat wrote:
Jazriel was amazing. Especially when after he got banned he proceeded to go to SmashBoards and post there.

Oh yeah, I remember the kid back from when I was lurking.
Also, someone already mentioned it, but number's rant about how we're all no-lifes and need to get on his fucking level cause he's going to harvard was pretty amazing.
currently rooting for myself.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
May 16 2012 11:00 GMT
#3449
New champ sneak peek
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-sneak-peek-darius-hand-noxus
Looks like some sort of bruiser, possibly tank/solo top champ. Then again he may just be a AD panth style hero
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 16 2012 11:17 GMT
#3450
I'm sure riot will make another panth style hero after panths "incident" where he was put into a wheelchair only to be healed and thrown back as a weakened version of himself.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
theMarkovian
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands183 Posts
May 16 2012 11:17 GMT
#3451
On May 16 2012 20:00 Goozen wrote:
New champ sneak peek
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-sneak-peek-darius-hand-noxus
Looks like some sort of bruiser, possibly tank/solo top champ. Then again he may just be a AD panth style hero


Riot has said they want more melee AD champions and less bruisers (think Riven *kinda* and Fiora), so I'd expect that.
Hit me up ingame! ID: Markovian.126; Diamond@EU
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
May 16 2012 11:21 GMT
#3452
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.


When everyone talked about how great NA style bruiser bot was before the Season 1 championships at DH Summer, then everyone ended up playing ad+support bot. (and EU winning it ofc x)) )
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
May 16 2012 14:03 GMT
#3453
On May 16 2012 20:21 Goshawk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.


When everyone talked about how great NA style bruiser bot was before the Season 1 championships at DH Summer, then everyone ended up playing ad+support bot. (and EU winning it ofc x)) )

Bruiser bot does beat ad support bot. Just because something wins doesn't mean it's played. You could play ranged ad top and crush the bruiser, but most people don't. Who the fuck knows why.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 16 2012 14:09 GMT
#3454
Shaco and Kass are the kind of champs where you go "I can handle them", then you look at the 3-4 other names on your team and then "Them.. I don't know", so you ban because you can't trust, basically. I tried not banning Shaco, I handled him well, at least one lane fed him 5 kills early. So...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 14:18:46
May 16 2012 14:17 GMT
#3455
On May 16 2012 23:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 20:21 Goshawk. wrote:
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.


When everyone talked about how great NA style bruiser bot was before the Season 1 championships at DH Summer, then everyone ended up playing ad+support bot. (and EU winning it ofc x)) )

Bruiser bot does beat ad support bot. Just because something wins doesn't mean it's played. You could play ranged ad top and crush the bruiser, but most people don't. Who the fuck knows why.


Because AD top doesn't beat bruisers and bruiser+support doesn't beat ad + support?

At least if you count jungle interaction top lane.

Surely you're not implying everyone swapped from bruiser+support bot and AD top to the reverse for no reason?

Obviously there have been some sucessful bot lanes with a bruiser and some sucessful top lanes with an AD but they are the exception not the rule.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 16 2012 14:46 GMT
#3456
It used to be AD mid, AP top, bruiser/tank + support bot for NA. That opened up to the supports roaming, allowing for 3 solo lanes, but that's shut down by proper warding along with AD + support bot cause AD + support is strong against most tank/bruiser lanes, especially if they're alone, and even still have trouble with a support present.

Double bruiser/supports combos like ali, blitz, poppy, jarvan, leona can still shut down some AD + support lanes but it takes a lot of coordination and skill to do so, and if it fails it fails reallyyyy hard. Some tanks like cho and galio can properly 1v2 after a few levels, but it mainly just means the enemy AD gets really farmed though.

A better AD + support combo is basically one of the best ways to counter AD + support in general.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 14:53:15
May 16 2012 14:50 GMT
#3457
On May 16 2012 23:17 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 23:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On May 16 2012 20:21 Goshawk. wrote:
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.


When everyone talked about how great NA style bruiser bot was before the Season 1 championships at DH Summer, then everyone ended up playing ad+support bot. (and EU winning it ofc x)) )

Bruiser bot does beat ad support bot. Just because something wins doesn't mean it's played. You could play ranged ad top and crush the bruiser, but most people don't. Who the fuck knows why.


Because AD top doesn't beat bruisers and bruiser+support doesn't beat ad + support?

At least if you count jungle interaction top lane.

Surely you're not implying everyone swapped from bruiser+support bot and AD top to the reverse for no reason?

Obviously there have been some sucessful bot lanes with a bruiser and some sucessful top lanes with an AD but they are the exception not the rule.


Bruiser bot isn't bruiser+support. It's a double bruiser lane. People still run it sometimes on NA server mostly in normals. It's fucking impossible to beat as AD+support unless the two bruisers really really misplay it. Actually, you could probably run armpen runes and just farm safely but it's still fucking stupid to play against as AD+support.

Won't comment on AD vs bruiser top because that match up is completely reliant on which AD carry you're running and which bruiser they're running. But there are definitely ADs who can crush bruisers in lane, and ADs who can crush various mages in lane. People run the same lane set ups both out of habit and due to the fact that sticking an AD carry with a support guarantees that the guy you absolutely have to get farmed will get farmed.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 16 2012 14:58 GMT
#3458
The double bruiser lanes aka kill lanes are really reliant on snowballing though, so passive play actually counters it fairly well. As long as your name isn't TapiocaBall you normally can successfully prevent that snowballing if you play right and don't get blitz grabbed :p

But yeah, some AD's can make really good mids. Top is a lot more situational, since very few AD's are really great top (kayle, vayne, corki, teemo) but some are situational. Some are decent (cait) but not the best top only because the lane is long and it's very prone to jungle ganks/camping, which is harder to do bot lane, especially with a support to ward and cc for you.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 15:01:31
May 16 2012 14:59 GMT
#3459
On May 16 2012 23:50 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 23:17 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 16 2012 23:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On May 16 2012 20:21 Goshawk. wrote:
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.


When everyone talked about how great NA style bruiser bot was before the Season 1 championships at DH Summer, then everyone ended up playing ad+support bot. (and EU winning it ofc x)) )

Bruiser bot does beat ad support bot. Just because something wins doesn't mean it's played. You could play ranged ad top and crush the bruiser, but most people don't. Who the fuck knows why.


Because AD top doesn't beat bruisers and bruiser+support doesn't beat ad + support?

At least if you count jungle interaction top lane.

Surely you're not implying everyone swapped from bruiser+support bot and AD top to the reverse for no reason?

Obviously there have been some sucessful bot lanes with a bruiser and some sucessful top lanes with an AD but they are the exception not the rule.


Bruiser bot isn't bruiser+support. It's a double bruiser lane. People still run it sometimes on NA server mostly in normals. It's fucking impossible to beat as AD+support unless the two bruisers really really misplay it. Actually, you could probably run armpen runes and just farm safely but it's still fucking stupid to play against as AD+support.

Won't comment on AD vs bruiser top because that match up is completely reliant on which AD carry you're running and which bruiser they're running. But there are definitely ADs who can crush bruisers in lane, and ADs who can crush various mages in lane. People run the same lane set ups both out of habit and due to the fact that sticking an AD carry with a support guarantees that the guy you absolutely have to get farmed will get farmed.


Yeah double bruiser with the second bruiser being leona//blitz//alistar//taric etc aka SUPPORTS.

Generally just a kill lane that's extremely easy to gank compared to typical AD/support lanes.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 16 2012 15:08 GMT
#3460
On May 16 2012 17:50 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 11:27 HazMat wrote:
What's everyone's favorite General Discussion moment?

Mine would probably be when Yiruru posted something about his teammates being bad and someone responded with "don't worry players will become better as you level up."

RIP Phrost was funny too. Tasteless but funny.

Definitely Cloud trying to convince player thousands of Elo above his level that post-buff pre-nerf Shen wasn't overpowered because his 1500 Friends say so.



I enjoyed this one as well.

I was also a fan of Two_Down's (et al) whole "I'm the jungler, fuck the mid I'm taking blue always" idea.
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