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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 14:41:31
March 21 2012 14:38 GMT
#501
For straight-up teamfights and map control, Lulu might actually be THE best support right now. Her laning is a tad on the weak side the first couple of levels compared to soraka/taric/sona, but it's manageable. Note that I've only ever tried to max polymorph first on support Lulu as the cooldown on it goes down significantly and it greatly enhances her ability to sweep with oracles.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 14:44:07
March 21 2012 14:39 GMT
#502
It's not even so much the Health (although that's certainly nice) as the AoE slow. Have fun with Fiora/Riven/Swain/Olaf, now with 60% AoE slow (and 600 extra health). Actually, the thought of an AoE slowing Olaf with 600 bonus health (who gets an extra ~750 gold in AD from it) is pretty terrifying.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
March 21 2012 14:41 GMT
#503
Having some tank/tanky-dps being willing to dive like crazy and have everyone focus them and then Enourmouny-ing them is hilarious. Big dragon form Shyvana with 600 hp boost and slow field real terror.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
March 21 2012 14:45 GMT
#504
Polymorph is basically silence with a tiny slow, still good tho =) That's the thing, all of her spell versions are usefull, giving her 6 effective spells.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 14:47:02
March 21 2012 14:46 GMT
#505
On March 21 2012 23:41 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Having some tank/tanky-dps being willing to dive like crazy and have everyone focus them and then Enourmouny-ing them is hilarious. Big dragon form Shyvana with 600 hp boost and slow field real terror.

Lulu bot, Karma mid, Singed top, new meta incoming. Have fun dealing with giant Singed who perma 80% slows your whole team and has an effective like 6 trillion HP.


On March 21 2012 23:45 Promises wrote:
Polymorph is basically silence with a tiny slow, still good tho =) That's the thing, all of her spell versions are usefull, giving her 6 effective spells.

what? it prevents attacking too, it's a lot stronger than silence. it's also fucking adorable =3.
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ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
March 21 2012 14:48 GMT
#506
It's better than a silence, it prevents Auto attacks too.

I would not be surprised if LuLu had Sona Syndrome (and Xypherous, bless his heart, made another overpowered champion). She just has a LOT of utility and flexibility going for her.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 21 2012 14:51 GMT
#507
I'm extremely tempted to try her as a solo top along the lines of teemo. The numbers on her passive look a little whacky o_O.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 14:53:01
March 21 2012 14:52 GMT
#508
On March 21 2012 23:51 Mogwai wrote:
I'm extremely tempted to try her as a solo top along the lines of teemo. The numbers on her passive look a little whacky o_O.

Yeah. Alongs the lines of Teemo WITH GDLK UTILITY >.>

Somewhat, this just sounds plain wrong. Have to try it.
The legend of Darien lives on
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 21 2012 14:54 GMT
#509
Teemo has GDLK UTILITY too. dem mushrooms yo, dem mushroooms.
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
March 21 2012 14:56 GMT
#510
Teemo has that global taunt too. I feel any top lane yordle would have this passive in the mid game as well.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 21 2012 14:57 GMT
#511
On March 21 2012 23:51 Mogwai wrote:
I'm extremely tempted to try her as a solo top along the lines of teemo. The numbers on her passive look a little whacky o_O.

Said it when she came out and still do.

Malady/Wits/Frozen Mallet/Bloodrazor is going to be imba on her.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 15:04:05
March 21 2012 15:01 GMT
#512
On March 21 2012 23:51 Mogwai wrote:
I'm extremely tempted to try her as a solo top along the lines of teemo. The numbers on her passive look a little whacky o_O.

Jiji was bullying around a Morgana last night mid lane with Lulu. Tower dive Morgana and get away with it npnp lol. Was hilarious to watch.

Also, Happy Birthday Mogwai! <3

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It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 15:05:27
March 21 2012 15:02 GMT
#513
Bob was doing the on-hit solotop build during his Play with Bob session. While admittingly not high level play, he won 11 games in a row. A free 117 damage proc is pretty damn good, actually better than Teemo's proc in a sustained fight. Not to mention Lulu has a ton more teamfight utility than Teemo does.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
March 21 2012 15:03 GMT
#514
i actually considered a teemo build on her too, she has most of teemos tools, passive as his poison and W as his speed up and W/E as his blind+nuke.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
March 21 2012 15:06 GMT
#515
On March 21 2012 23:46 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 23:45 Promises wrote:
Polymorph is basically silence with a tiny slow, still good tho =) That's the thing, all of her spell versions are usefull, giving her 6 effective spells.

what? it prevents attacking too, it's a lot stronger than silence. it's also fucking adorable =3.


After watching Dyrus' cypher thing and looking up what pomf meant, I can no longer see =3 the same way again....unless that's how you wanted to use it. I always thought that it was just some weird face...

Also happy birthday Mogwai.
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 15:08:17
March 21 2012 15:06 GMT
#516
On March 21 2012 23:48 ManyCookies wrote:
I would not be surprised if LuLu had Sona Syndrome (and Xypherous, bless his heart, made another overpowered champion). She just has a LOT of utility and flexibility going for her.


I doubt Lulu will grow DDD's anytime soon.

Anyway the main changes I forsee are Q slow scaling with rank (instead of 80% at all ranks) and the ult slow getting reworked. Even without the slow, her ult is one of the best defensive ults in the game.

Seriously that extra health + knockup disable will save ANYONE in a teamfight, and makes Zilean look weaksauce.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 21 2012 15:07 GMT
#517
Charging money to watch eSports at this point is putting the cart before the horse. eSports is only just barely sort of beginning to take root in the NA region, and charging money now will not help broaden the audience (which is what needs to happen first).

On March 21 2012 10:34 TheYango wrote:
This is sort of late, but to those suggesting that Riot hit the CDR on blue instead of the regen, I'd like to point out that's a solution that's WAY harder to balance because of how cutting the CDR would have a pretty noticeable effect on early game jungling speeds. They have less to worry about that when balancing the mana regen, because with a chunk of the regen shifted into flat regen, most junglers' mana demands are covered by blue.


One late response deserves another.

I think you overstate the importance of CDR to jungling and clear speeds. Most junglers that start Blue do so because they need the mana in order to use their abilities on each camp, the CDR is just a bonus. Moreover, for many junglers the CDR barely matters because only the buff camps themselves live long enough for all but the spammiest abilities to be used more than once. Starting Red buff is often faster so long as you don't need the mana to jungle. There are a few junglers would notice (Udyr, Skarner) but in the end we're talking a difference of 5-10 seconds on junglers who are already extremely fast.

That said I don't think the CDR should be hit instead of the regen, but that both should be hit. The larger problem is that Blue would still be super strong at 10% CDR, but any further nerfs would expose the fact that mana regen is completely wacky in LoL. Blue's mana regen is equivalent to or greater than any three mana regen items, even post-nerf. Blue is essentially the rug under which the dust of the mana regen problem has been swept.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 15:12:28
March 21 2012 15:07 GMT
#518
On March 22 2012 00:06 Sandster wrote:
I doubt Lulu will grow DDD's anytime soon.


There's already drawings of her applying a localized ultimate.


Anyway the main changes I forsee are Q slow scaling with rank (instead of 80% at all ranks) and the ult slow getting reworked. Even without the slow, her ult is one of the best defensive ults in the game.


Honestly, a 600 health transferable ultimate is sufficiently ult strength as it is. I think they just wanted to add *something* more to it.

It'd be hilarious if the initial health gain was lower, but did a small health leech (30/s, half from minions, cap at double initial?) from each enemy in proximity. And your model grew larger, and larger, and larger, and larger...
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 21 2012 15:09 GMT
#519
On March 21 2012 23:48 ManyCookies wrote:
It's better than a silence, it prevents Auto attacks too.

I would not be surprised if LuLu had Sona Syndrome (and Xypherous, bless his heart, made another overpowered champion). She just has a LOT of utility and flexibility going for her.


Actually, didn't Riot say that giving Sona an AoE CC ult was a mistake? That being the case, is it not weird that they have now given Lulu an AoE CC ult that bypasses Tenacity and Ignite?
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
March 21 2012 15:11 GMT
#520
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