EPTIt's also why DoT champions like Malzahar, Swain etc. are the closest things to counters in the game. Because their damage comes in lots of smaller ticks rather than in one large chunk they don't get as screwed by the passive as other people.
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Seuss
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It's also why DoT champions like Malzahar, Swain etc. are the closest things to counters in the game. Because their damage comes in lots of smaller ticks rather than in one large chunk they don't get as screwed by the passive as other people. | ||
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Terranasaur
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ManyCookies
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jadoth
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On March 06 2012 07:18 Tooplark wrote: No, under ideal circumstances it's equivalent to 50% damage reduction. IN ADDITION to armor and mr. Stacking MULTIPLICATIVELY. Which is to say, poppy with 100 armor could theoretically hit 75% damage reduction with her passive (50% reduced by armor, 50% reduced by passive). Of course, since some portion of the damage is only reduced by armor, it's going to be less by some amount, but it's still just as retarded strong as you think it is. You're basically unthreatened by burst and really beefy attackers. i was wrong so i math crafted it out. the situation i used was if poppy has 100 hp how much damage do you need to one shot her. at zero resists it will take 190 damage to kill a poppy which is a damage reduction of 47.37% or the equivalent of 90 resists. at 100 resists if it applies before armor it will take 390 damage which is a damage reduction of 74.35% or the equivalent of 289 resists so the passive gives 189 resists. at 100 resist if it applies after armor it will take 380 damage which is a damage reduction of 73..68% or the equivalent of 279 resist so the passive gives 179 resists. so in ideal cases it gives an absolutely retarded amount of resist. | ||
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turdburgler
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ManyCookies
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I'm just loling hard on Dyrus stream. How can such a troll like LeagueOfNoS be at this Elo ? Probably afk'd at champion pick, then picked the first pro Anivia guide in the Google search. | ||
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dismiss
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On March 06 2012 07:48 ManyCookies wrote: It's hard to accurately mathcraft due to the 10% health restriction and its dependence on the flux of damage, but in the ideal case (arbitrarily high damage) the effective Resistance boost is (100+ Armour). So at 100 armour (Poppy also has a natural 90 Armour at level 18), you're effectively at 300 armour against high damage attacks. That actually isn't quite as good as it sounds, as the passive is added after the Resistance modifier, but it's still stupidly powerful for a passive. Her armor's actually a lot higher than 90 - even though 90's tied for the highest base in the game with Maokai, she also has a passive that grants her another 35 armor when it's fully stacked. She's basically as physically tanky as Taric (125 armor vs 131~), except with the imba passive on top of that. The fact that nobody's picked up on this yet and rode it to victory is one of LoL's greatest mysteries. | ||
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Craton
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Two_DoWn
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 06 2012 07:44 Seuss wrote: The crazy thing is that it's 10% of current health. So the lower Poppy's HP is the harder she is to kill. It's also why DoT champions like Malzahar, Swain etc. are the closest things to counters in the game. Because their damage comes in lots of smaller ticks rather than in one large chunk they don't get as screwed by the passive as other people. Closest things... they completely counter Poppy. Garen does as well, as does Wukong. She has plenty of counters. You have to realize that she needs the passive, she'd be absolute shit if it wasn't so good. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On March 06 2012 08:09 Niton wrote: Her armor's actually a lot higher than 90 - even though 90's tied for the highest base in the game with Maokai, she also has a passive that grants her another 35 armor when it's fully stacked. She's basically as physically tanky as Taric (125 armor vs 131~), except with the imba passive on top of that. The fact that nobody's picked up on this yet and rode it to victory is one of LoL's greatest mysteries. it's partially because poppy historically had a hard time laning anywhere. prior to sustain champs being nerfed, poppy (along with like 80% of the champion pool) simply couldn't compete with pre-nerf udyr, ww and all those other sustain assholes. mid and bot isn't good for poppy either since ranged harass is pretty strong against her (no sustain and low-damage, low-cooldown sources of harass basically ignores her passive) and can wreck her. As a result, people never really played poppy...like ever. Nobody, be it mid or high elo, really mastered poppy; not to mention when people did play poppy it was usually with an inferior AP poppy build. Now, with Zekent, Spamhappy, and Dyrus learning and playing a crapton of Poppy games, along with nerfs to those old OP champs Poppy can actually lane somewhere and abuse her OP skillset. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
IMO nerf her lategame a bit and make her charge into a line AoE damage source. | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
Scarra - Karthus, Veigar, Ryse, Cassio (what else? I really haven't seen him on much else tbh) Nyjacky - Morganna, Veigar ( me is so clueless about curse  )Regianld - Gragas, Lebalnc, Sion, Ryse, Cassio (and Ziggs I guess but the past few times I've seen his ziggs I wasn't very impressed) Jiji - TF, Anivia, Ryse (?) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
I mean, honestly, that passive and ulti is by far amongst the most broken skills in all MOBAs everywhere, including DotA. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 06 2012 08:14 Niton wrote: W-first Poppy should, in theory, be just about impossible to remove from lane as a near-pure or pure physical source (Tryndamere, Riven come to mind). IMO nerf her lategame a bit and make her charge into a line AoE damage source. W first, why? It doesn't even do anything vs trynd, her passive already affects the crits significantly enough, and yes Poppy is a counter to tryndamere If you're worried about Poppy pick a Wukong, Vladimir, OLAF(impossible lane), Irelia, even Malzahar, Warwick or something like that against her. I definitely think she's not going to be considered overpowered until...... People start playing her bottom lane with a support so that she actually CAN get absolute freefarm with the combination of her passive and armor stacking. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I'm really not going to like it if she gains popularity. Oh, Goliath. I missed that last post. | ||
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