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On March 06 2012 08:16 dooraven wrote:Does anyone have a list of champions what the current NA carries can play competently? Scarra - Karthus, Veigar, Ryse, Cassio (what else? I really haven't seen him on much else tbh) Nyjacky - Morganna, Veigar ( me is so clueless about curse  ) Regianld - Gragas, Lebalnc, Sion, Ryse, Cassio (and Ziggs I guess but the past few times I've seen his ziggs I wasn't very impressed) Jiji - TF, Anivia, Ryse (?)
Ahri & Sion too for Regi, and Karthus to a lesser extent.
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Didn't Scarra play Katarina and Akali some months ago, too? I remember seeing him play Kata on stream a few days ago.
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Noob question: where should Ashe go? The Ashe guide said to go mid. My friends say I should go bot with support. Where should I go? Also, they aid AP should go mid. What are the 'AP' characters?
Thanks XD
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Katarina is definitely one of Scarra's strongest champs.  His Anivia is pretty good also.
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On March 06 2012 08:16 dooraven wrote: Does anyone have a list of champions what the current NA carries can play competently? Scarra - Karthus, Veigar, Ryse, Cassio (what else? I really haven't seen him on much else tbh) Nyjacky - Morganna, Veigar ( me is so clueless about curse )
Scarra also plays Morg and Kat quite well. Akali and Talon are possible picks as well(although unlikely).
Nyjacky is most notable for the two you listed as well as Ryze and AP Kog.
I know both Regi and Scarra have been working on Ziggs, but I don't know if either of them is particularly impressive with him yet.
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On March 06 2012 08:31 wunsun wrote:
Noob question: where should Ashe go? The Ashe guide said to go mid. My friends say I should go bot with support. Where should I go? Also, they aid AP should go mid. What are the 'AP' characters?
Thanks XD
Judging by this post you must be a nubble.
Welcome! At your level do not worry too much about team comp or where you go, just start learning the game first. The guide you read is probably outdated but Ashe is still viable mid.
AP champions are champions that scale off on ability power(hence AP), they are mages. Mages are champions that usually does magic burst damage, some does have more utility and some does dps. The common thing is that they all scale off on ability power and does magic damage.
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On March 06 2012 08:34 warscythes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:31 wunsun wrote:
Noob question: where should Ashe go? The Ashe guide said to go mid. My friends say I should go bot with support. Where should I go? Also, they aid AP should go mid. What are the 'AP' characters?
Thanks XD Judging by this post you must be a nubble. Welcome! At your level do not worry too much about team comp or where you go, just start learning the game first. The guide you read is probably outdated but Ashe is still viable mid. AP champions are champions that scale off on ability power(hence AP), they are mages. Mages are champions that usually does magic burst damage, some does have more utility and some does dps. The common thing is that they all scale off on ability power and does magic damage.
Just to add, try not to leave any lane with just a melee champion. Like if top already has a melee champion then it may be a good idea to go with them since you're ranged.
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Scarra plays Kat. Regi's Cassio is pretty trash, but I guess you can say he plays it cause she just does obscene damage so anyone can play her semi-decently. Jiji can play Xerath but stopped for whatever reason. Same with Ziggs I guess.
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On March 06 2012 08:20 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:14 Niton wrote:
W-first Poppy should, in theory, be just about impossible to remove from lane as a near-pure or pure physical source (Tryndamere, Riven come to mind).
IMO nerf her lategame a bit and make her charge into a line AoE damage source. W first, why? It doesn't even do anything vs trynd, her passive already affects the crits significantly enough, and yes Poppy is a counter to tryndamere If you're worried about Poppy pick a Wukong, Vladimir, OLAF(impossible lane), Irelia, even Malzahar, Warwick or something like that against her. I definitely think she's not going to be considered overpowered until...... People start playing her bottom lane with a support so that she actually CAN get absolute freefarm with the combination of her passive and armor stacking.
Theorycraft-wise, to give her easier last hits, a better chase/escape, and even more physical resilience. It's probably not better than Q in practice for trading, but if your goal is just to sit in lane and not fall behind I think it might be viable.
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On March 06 2012 08:38 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:34 warscythes wrote:On March 06 2012 08:31 wunsun wrote:
Noob question: where should Ashe go? The Ashe guide said to go mid. My friends say I should go bot with support. Where should I go? Also, they aid AP should go mid. What are the 'AP' characters?
Thanks XD Judging by this post you must be a nubble. Welcome! At your level do not worry too much about team comp or where you go, just start learning the game first. The guide you read is probably outdated but Ashe is still viable mid. AP champions are champions that scale off on ability power(hence AP), they are mages. Mages are champions that usually does magic burst damage, some does have more utility and some does dps. The common thing is that they all scale off on ability power and does magic damage. Just to add, try not to leave any lane with just a melee champion. Like if top already has a melee champion then it may be a good idea to go with them since you're ranged.
Ashe mid is not standard. You're confusing the poor guy. Ashe is currently mostly bottom together with another champion, that supports her. You will find mostly AP champions mid at the moment. Like: Ryze, Ahri, LeBlanc, Cassiopia, etc.
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On March 06 2012 08:31 wunsun wrote:
Noob question: where should Ashe go? The Ashe guide said to go mid. My friends say I should go bot with support. Where should I go? Also, they aid AP should go mid. What are the 'AP' characters?
Thanks XD
The current (used to be different a while back, that's probably when your guide was written) generic team comp / lane placement is
Tanky dps or ap top
ap mid
jungler jungle
ranged ad carry + support bot
if you can, that's what you'll want to follow until you understand the game more and learn about things like counter picks, kill lanes, anti-meta strats and other things of that nature
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On March 06 2012 08:52 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:38 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On March 06 2012 08:34 warscythes wrote:On March 06 2012 08:31 wunsun wrote:
Noob question: where should Ashe go? The Ashe guide said to go mid. My friends say I should go bot with support. Where should I go? Also, they aid AP should go mid. What are the 'AP' characters?
Thanks XD Judging by this post you must be a nubble. Welcome! At your level do not worry too much about team comp or where you go, just start learning the game first. The guide you read is probably outdated but Ashe is still viable mid. AP champions are champions that scale off on ability power(hence AP), they are mages. Mages are champions that usually does magic burst damage, some does have more utility and some does dps. The common thing is that they all scale off on ability power and does magic damage. Just to add, try not to leave any lane with just a melee champion. Like if top already has a melee champion then it may be a good idea to go with them since you're ranged. Ashe mid is not standard. You're confusing the poor guy. Ashe is currently mostly bottom together with another champion, that supports her. You will find mostly AP champions mid at the moment. Like: Ryze, Ahri, LeBlanc, Cassiopia, etc.
We're talking about a new player who isn't even level 30 yet. Half those games don't even have junglers, let alone standard lanes.
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On March 06 2012 08:59 fantasticoranges wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:31 wunsun wrote:
Noob question: where should Ashe go? The Ashe guide said to go mid. My friends say I should go bot with support. Where should I go? Also, they aid AP should go mid. What are the 'AP' characters?
Thanks XD The current (used to be different a while back, that's probably when your guide was written) generic team comp / lane placement is Tanky dps or ap top ap mid jungler jungle ranged ad carry + support bot if you can, that's what you'll want to follow until you understand the game more and learn about things like counter picks, kill lanes, anti-meta strats and other things of that nature
At levels 1-20, unless your with a higher level friend who's jungling, it's probably better to just have
melee+range top, range mid, melee+ranged bottom.
Later on there's things that work better because you'll have a jungler, and the concept of carrying comes in because you're hitting more farm between you to than there is on the field, at which point this advice no longer applies.
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On March 06 2012 08:31 wunsun wrote:
Noob question: where should Ashe go? The Ashe guide said to go mid. My friends say I should go bot with support. Where should I go? Also, they aid AP should go mid. What are the 'AP' characters?
Thanks XD
I will help you. I will also explain a bit why certain champs go where.
Top: Usually sustained (can stay out on the map along time without having to go heal), consistent damage champions that scale well in lategame. Top lane is far away from dragon, so its a good lane for champions that just want to stay in their lane and farm all day long. This lane can have a lot of different champions, as long as you feel you can keep up in lane with the normal sustaining ones. She wouldn't be very good up here probably because she has no real way to heal or escape if one of the big melee champions jumped on her.
Mid: AP (mage) champions go here usually, because it gives them good access to all lanes and dragon+blue buff, and mages typically have good burst damage and good range, which can allow them to help get kills both top and bottom and jungle and surprise people. A bursty mage can interrupt a fight in the jungle and instantly kill the enemy jungler, or show up bottom and burst a low health enemy to death under the turret. A more sustained damage dealer wouldnt be able to do this as well as they give the enemy more time to run away when they see the engagement is not in their favor. Ashe wouldnt usually do very well here because bursty mages can many times run up, hit her with a lot of damage and then back off, while ashe needs to be consistently attacking to do good damage. Ashe also has no skills to help her escape quicky, and Mid has two sides you can be attacked from as opposed to the one on top and bottom.
Bot: AD Carries (Ashe, Caitlyn, Tristana, Kog 'maw etc...) and a support champion with heal or other ally helping abilities usually go here. AD Carries are pretty delicate early game, and need to be protected by other champions so they can continuously attack without getting killed. Bot lane is very close to dragon, which is the big objective to be faught over in the early and midgame, so it makes sense to put more champions down there close to it.
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On March 06 2012 07:16 warscythes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 06 2012 06:56 warscythes wrote:On March 06 2012 06:55 Zhiroo wrote:
Why is Poppy being played a lot nowadays? Spamhappy and Dyrus. To be honest solo top Poppy wasn't that all bad to begin with, once she finds a lane to stay in Poppy just goes out of control. Poppy+Tabi is broken. One vs Dyrus had those 2 items against his tryndamere, he legit did like 30 damage per attack. Tabi is 10% less damage right? Then wouldn't the AA do 33 instead of 30 without the tabi? The combo doesn't sound that broken. Show nested quote +i always thought poppys passive was retarded strong but now that i think about it under ideal curcustances it is equivelent to 50 armor/mr which while strong makes it seem a lot more reasonable to me. How? o.O I mean I never mathcrafted her passive but I am pretty sure it is a lot better than 50 armor and mr. Her passive is just straight up overpowered.
A simple counter vs her at toplane is to just pick ignite
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Or Irelia/olaf and make her rage.
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On March 06 2012 08:43 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:20 Shikyo wrote:On March 06 2012 08:14 Niton wrote:
W-first Poppy should, in theory, be just about impossible to remove from lane as a near-pure or pure physical source (Tryndamere, Riven come to mind).
IMO nerf her lategame a bit and make her charge into a line AoE damage source. W first, why? It doesn't even do anything vs trynd, her passive already affects the crits significantly enough, and yes Poppy is a counter to tryndamere If you're worried about Poppy pick a Wukong, Vladimir, OLAF(impossible lane), Irelia, even Malzahar, Warwick or something like that against her. I definitely think she's not going to be considered overpowered until...... People start playing her bottom lane with a support so that she actually CAN get absolute freefarm with the combination of her passive and armor stacking. Theorycraft-wise, to give her easier last hits, a better chase/escape, and even more physical resilience. It's probably not better than Q in practice for trading, but if your goal is just to sit in lane and not fall behind I think it might be viable.
with lvl 1 W your lasthits are easy enough, you really need to max Q first for the damage or you can't do shit in teamfights or skirmishes. You still are going to need to do your anticarry role in the midgame.
On March 06 2012 10:00 BlackPaladin wrote:
Or Irelia/olaf and make her rage.
Shen is crazy too. When she wants to harrass with Q you just taunt and W her and it deals 0 dmg, spam Q all day, etc. Just go ignite so you can finish her off. It's super strong vs the passive, I wonder if people would have the POPPY IMBA PASSIVE experiences so much if they just used ignite instead of trying to finish her off with a 20 dmg autoattack when she has 10 hp regen per sec
Oh yeah, and solo top Corki is actually a really damn hard counter vs Poppy as well. he denies her hard and that passive counters Poppy's passive really well.
(Btw last game funny, I'm 2-2-0 solotop vs Ezreal whos going 1-2-0, our mid Annie is 8-0 and team scores are 4-14. NP, Finish triforce and then get one negatron, then in fights always just dive 1v5 and ulti and rambo the Annie down -> we cleanup all the fights and win the game. Poppy so nice)
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On March 06 2012 07:44 Seuss wrote:
The crazy thing is that it's 10% of current health. So the lower Poppy's HP is the harder she is to kill.
It's also why DoT champions like Malzahar, Swain etc. are the closest things to counters in the game. Because their damage comes in lots of smaller ticks rather than in one large chunk they don't get as screwed by the passive as other people.
The new defense mastery tree was also a buff because the minus 2 damage from all sources helps a lot against DoT champs.
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On March 06 2012 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If by some colossal miracle (mistake) Riot ever takes my advice on shit the first thing I would push for would be for poppy to get remade.
Even if poppy is UP or whatever, I'd hate to see her changed significantly at this point Yeah, she doesn't really fit in standard games, but she's an interesting and potentially very powerful champion! There's a good chance that eventually someone will really figure her out and put her to a good use in a tournament or something like that. I don't think champs that are 'bad' just because they don't fit into the majority of games should be normalized.
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On March 06 2012 11:47 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If by some colossal miracle (mistake) Riot ever takes my advice on shit the first thing I would push for would be for poppy to get remade. Even if poppy is UP or whatever, I'd hate to see her changed significantly at this point Yeah, she doesn't really fit in standard games, but she's an interesting and potentially very powerful champion! There's a good chance that eventually someone will really figure her out and put her to a good use in a tournament or something like that. I don't think champs that are 'bad' just because they don't fit into the majority of games should be normalized.
Oh poppy isn't considered bad(at least by the person you quoted), people just think her power curve is too steep(worst champion in the game early by far, hardest carry in the game late).
However I don't think there's anything wrong with that, she's fun to play as and possible to shut down and takes skill to play and has counters, however rewarding as well if you play her properly.
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