[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 65

On March 06 2012 00:21 ManyCookies wrote:
The sad thing is that Poe's Law would apply anywhere besides here, even I adjusted the subject matter to be less in-jokey and possibly even more extreme.

On March 06 2012 00:22 Shikyo wrote:

Well the jungle should never buy a ward thing is obviously completely false so those facts aren't too solid. Also the wriggles dorans thingy depends, if you're losing the lane and go back to base at like 1200 gold with 2 dorans and a vamp, you generally should buy the Wriggles because it helps far more than having nothing and you might fall too far behind by the time you actually buy the BF Sword. Wriggles is also useful if you are dominately pushing and are on a strong lane and ban to aggressively do dragons or steal buffs.

edit: Anyone else giggle when you oneshot Shen with Fizz after Deathcap, Lich Bane and DFG?

On March 06 2012 00:24 ManyCookies wrote:
Nope.

Awwwww, why not?

On March 06 2012 00:36 ManyCookies wrote:
Anyway, I've been screwing around with "transitioning". Had moderate success with AP to AD Yi (I have to say, AP Yi is utterly hilarious in lane. 400% W scaling OP). Took AP runes and mixed Masteries, got 1-2 Rings and Sheen, then Wriggles/Greaves and standard Yi stuff (leaning on the Triforce path). I'd imagine Sion would also work well, though I'd have to actually learn Sion first.




Damn it, you should know this by now. A point for each 30 words in the response, plus the two bonus points for each post and new poster. x .75 for the Pretense of Civility modifier, and x .5 for the Shikyo Modifier. Points are floored, so you scored a total of 0 points. Need 3 to pass the qualifiers and move onto the next round, personally judged by NeoIlusions himself.

Augment: Power
+3 Ability Power per Level - 54 at Level 18
+X Health (170 + 10 per Level) - 350 at Level 18
+5 Health Regen per 5 seconds

Ability Augment: Power Transfer shield increases to 50% of the damage done. Additionally, it increases Viktor's movement speed by 30% for 3 seconds.
Ability Augment: When Chaos Storm is near Viktor it heals him every second for 50% of its damage value.

Why?! Power has been said to be the "tanky" upgrade choice. This fits that role. It provides scaling health, regen for laning, helps him absorb more damage, and during bigger fights, he can utilize Chaos Storm to survive longer due to it healing him. A Viktor with this augment, unlike other Viktors, should be able to take a lot of punishment and handle sustained fights.

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Augment: Gravity
+3 Ability Power per Level - 54 at Level 18
+200 Mana
+Y% Cooldown Reduction (11 + .5 per Level) - 20% at Level 18
+5 Mana Regen per 5 seconds

Ability Augment: Gravity Field's cast range and area of effect are both increased by 30%.
Ability Augment: Chaos Storm also decreases the Armor and Magic Resist of enemies near it by 20%.

Why?! Gravity is kind of referred to as the "support" choice, and what better way to support your teammates than by frequently dropping huge gravity fields from far away to trap the enemy. On top of that, your Chaos Storm will weaken your opponents defenses, allowing your team to lay into them for more damage. Viktor with this augment, as opposed to other Viktors, should be terrifying in the sense that a single well-placed Gravity Field can disrupt an entire fight and anyone caught near Chaos Storm will be weakened.

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Augment: Death
+Z Ability Power (40 + 5 per Level) - 130 at Level 18
+10% Magic Penetration

Ability Augment: Death Ray burns enemies for 30% additional damage over 4 seconds. Additionally, all ranks of the spell have their cooldown reduced by 1 second and mana cost reduced by 10.
Ability Augment: Increases the duration of Chaos Storm to 10 seconds.

Why?! I don't really think this one needs explanation. Death is the go-to augment for people who wanna blow stuff up, and that's exactly what this would allow them to do. This would be your AP Carry Viktor, that one that hits you hard with Death Ray over and over and whose Chaos Storm chases people around forever.

On March 06 2012 01:32 NeoIllusions wrote:

Edit: ManyCookies's edit has the right idea though the numbers definitely need more testing.

On March 06 2012 01:41 ManyCookies wrote:


Oh god yeah. All of the Chaos Storm effects would be utterly ridiculous (Swain Ult for EVERYONE!). Again though, I'd rather have those powerful effects for a much steeper cost than our current augments.


On the subject of disappointing design space, I feel the same way about Yorick. Even without direct controls, there's a lot of design space for pets. Have some incentive to keep the pets alive, have them work with you in interesting ways, not just "attack and gain benefit". As it is, they're glorified and slightly more persistent ranged attacks.

On March 06 2012 01:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ironically, I'm hoping for a more character defining Augment change just so I can play Support Viktor, dun dun dun. But what Two_DoWn said is pretty spot on. The fact alone that Hex Core takes up on friggin' slot should make a bigger impact on Viktor's design. As it is now, it feels like just a few flat stats tacked onto which ever one you choose. The skill passives you get from the upgraded Augment screams underwhelming.

And this isn't even taking into account the 1K cost to upgrade...

Edit: ManyCookies's edit has the right idea though the numbers definitely need more testing.

On March 06 2012 01:41 ManyCookies wrote:


Oh god yeah. All of the Chaos Storm effects would be utterly ridiculous (Swain Ult for EVERYONE!). Again though, I'd rather have those powerful effects for a much steeper cost than our current augments.


On the subject of disappointing design space, I feel the same way about Yorick. Even without direct controls, there's a lot of design space for pets. Have some incentive to keep the pets alive, have them work with you in interesting ways, not just "attack and gain benefit". As it is, they're glorified and slightly more persistent ranged attacks.