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NotTheMonker
United States131 Posts
On March 03 2012 01:56 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Does this site actually work? I went there a couple weeks ago and filled out a survey for them. It gave me what looked to be a key, but it told me it was invalid when I entered it in Steam. Then I got calls from car insurance companies trying to sell me car insurance. I don't think that site is reputable. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:01 seRapH wrote: I thought it was obvious o.O Either above your respective first picks in the pick screen, or the color around champion portraits in loading screen. Also whoever has FP is always blue. hehe ir probably is. Thx | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:08 NotTheMonker wrote: Does this site actually work? I went there a couple weeks ago and filled out a survey for them. It gave me what looked to be a key, but it told me it was invalid when I entered it in Steam. Then I got calls from car insurance companies trying to sell me car insurance. I don't think that site is reputable. Fuck seriously? Ok edit that link out. I didn't know.. it looked so legit! | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:08 NotTheMonker wrote: Does this site actually work? I went there a couple weeks ago and filled out a survey for them. It gave me what looked to be a key, but it told me it was invalid when I entered it in Steam. Then I got calls from car insurance companies trying to sell me car insurance. I don't think that site is reputable. No offence but it's quite dumb to fill in real info in internet surveys you dont know>.> | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Yeah, I mean, it might be me, but the second I started doing the shurelyas rush stuff and full tank builds I lost interest in him, when I started getting some AD to scale with my Q for clearing and my damage on hits with W I started playing him again and doing well. You rely less on your ultimate but have a harder time getting it off. Makes you less of a malzahar when they buy QSS though. Also, regarding fiora, intrix was aruging that maxing W first should be done in basically every situation, while I'm really not sure at this point. Thoughts? | ||
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
If you're not familiar with the internet you really might want to install adblock/noscript, just fyi  | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:16 Slayer91 wrote: Yeah, I mean, it might be me, but the second I started doing the shurelyas rush stuff and full tank builds I lost interest in him, when I started getting some AD to scale with my Q for clearing and my damage on hits with W I started playing him again and doing well. You rely less on your ultimate but have a harder time getting it off. Makes you less of a malzahar when they buy QSS though. Also, regarding fiora, intrix was aruging that maxing W first should be done in basically every situation, while I'm really not sure at this point. Thoughts? The first point in W has really good value but the other 4 points are basically 5 AD each. Damage-wise and mobility wise it just doesn't make sense to level W over Q. Plus, if they don't autoattack you during the parry window it becomes useless. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:16 Slayer91 wrote: Also, regarding fiora, intrix was aruging that maxing W first should be done in basically every situation, while I'm really not sure at this point. Thoughts? I've been almost exclusively jungling her for the past 2 days(laned once with a Soraka, was meh), and I max R>W>E>Q --WEWQWRWEWE etc. I clear decently(start 5 pots + cloth), and once I get red+level 4 I gank top or mid if they're pushed up enough. It's been fairly successful as I've only had one loss with her, and that was mainly due to the fact that our top lane fed the living shit out of theirs(which happened to be Warwick, and I still don't know how to deal with him as her). I don't really have any math or calculations as to why I max W. It just feels more bursty and makes it scarier for people to trade with you in 1v1's or ganks. Granted I've been exclusively playing normals with her until I feel 100% confident, so people aren't very good. I'll test ouf maxing E first today and see if it feels any better. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:27 Slayer91 wrote: If you look at the damage and CD reduction assuming you get hit which if you're jungling/laning anywhere but mid should be happening consistently. I mean, technically for trades you get the best value out of W if it procs, since you negate 1 autoattack (gain ~70damage), deal 260 damage, and with 35AD you can do an extra 100 or so damage per rotation, so all in all you can potentially come ahead by like 400 damage from 1 skill, which is amazing. Also, if you get wriggles, that 35AD translates into 6HP per attack which is a pretty significant boost to sustain. Also the 35AD adds extra damage to Q and R. But the only thing is...can people play around that and just not auto you or fake you out of your W and then punish you after? I dunno. Also... you get slammed with a 16second cooldown on your Q, which I feel is going to make you a complete donkey in teamfights. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I haven't got a chance to solo top, mid she's bad against pushers, and bot I laned with clickrush playing janna quite a few times and we wrecked shop except against an ezrael/alistar lane but we still did OK there. Jungle seems pretty decent, I like her ganks, most people don't for some reason. Clearing speed is OK, she has to steal some lane farms though. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:16 Slayer91 wrote: Yeah, I mean, it might be me, but the second I started doing the shurelyas rush stuff and full tank builds I lost interest in him, when I started getting some AD to scale with my Q for clearing and my damage on hits with W I started playing him again and doing well. You rely less on your ultimate but have a harder time getting it off. Makes you less of a malzahar when they buy QSS though. Also, regarding fiora, intrix was aruging that maxing W first should be done in basically every situation, while I'm really not sure at this point. Thoughts? He definitely does not carry the items as well as Mao and the rest of the tank jungles. You throw away pretty good scaling for the ability to charge in and ult someone, but then again, you can do that with a wriggles->sheen as well. Mayhap I should give him a try going with a shyvana build. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:36 Slayer91 wrote: I think E is better at level 1 for jungling because of the burst on blue, not sure though. I haven't got a chance to solo top, mid she's bad against pushers, and bot I laned with clickrush playing janna quite a few times and we wrecked shop except against an ezrael/alistar lane but we still did OK there. Jungle seems pretty decent, I like her ganks, most people don't for some reason. Clearing speed is OK, she has to steal some lane farms though. I agree. I'm kind of curious as to how it would go vs a Shyv or Rammus counter-jungle, because IMO she wouldn't be able to kill either one that early in the game with no farm. Usually my buddy solo's top or mid, so he'll let me know when he's recalling and I'll cover the lane and get free xp/gold until he gets back. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:35 Juicyfruit wrote: I mean, technically for trades you get the best value out of W if it procs, since you negative 1 autoattack (gain ~70damage), deal 260 damage, and with 35AD you can do an extra 100 or so damage per rotation, so all in all you can potentially come ahead by like 400 damage from 1 skill, which is amazing. Also, if you get wriggles, that 35AD translates into 6HP per attack which is a pretty significant boost to sustain. Also the 35AD adds extra damage to Q and R. But the only thing is...can people play around that and just not auto you or fake you out of your W and then punish you after? I dunno. Also... you get slammed with a 16second cooldown on your Q, which I feel is going to make you a complete donkey in teamfights. At max rank W does 260dmg on a 6 second cd, Q does 280 on an 8sec cd but it scales with bonus ad, then again W gives passive ad. Harassing with Q with a sheen is fun though. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:37 Two_DoWn wrote: He definitely does not carry the items as well as Mao and the rest of the tank jungles. You throw away pretty good scaling for the ability to charge in and ult someone, but then again, you can do that with a wriggles->sheen as well. Mayhap I should give him a try going with a shyvana build. I don't like going sheen on him either. If you want mana glacials probably a better item. I don't know why people are in love with sheen but really it's mostly good as a burst damage tool when skarner doesn't really need that. Q's scaling is irrelevant is this discussion on fiora, beucase you're getting it from the level 1 anyway. All you care about is the difference between level 1 and level 5. Well the reduced cooldown does effect the scaling, I guess. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
My reasoning being that skarner after the nerf needs SOME kind of mana item or you have issues giving away your second blue. However going the full GP5 tank build I dont really feel is optimal, and you can have philo + boots + recurve and maybe a couple null mants for any midgame fights (depending on how early/late they happen, you might even be done with wit's end and/or mercs) and I really feel like his power curve hits a nice spot once you pick up that first recurve. I haven't done GRB since the mana nerfs on Skarner, though. Maybe philo + GRB + tanky items -> shurelia will work? | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:18 seRapH wrote: lol, that dota2 beta key site is affiliated with dollarade. If you're not familiar with the internet you really might want to install adblock/noscript, just fyi Didn't know what dollarade was without google. Btw I do have adblock but what does noscript help you with. I recall a while back people saying they used it to block scripts from running without their permission but I thought most browsers handled that malicious stuff ok. Doesn't it also stop a lot of things you want to see from loading? How would it help against the site in question. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:35 Juicyfruit wrote: I mean, technically for trades you get the best value out of W if it procs, since you negate 1 autoattack (gain ~70damage), deal 260 damage, and with 35AD you can do an extra 100 or so damage per rotation, so all in all you can potentially come ahead by like 400 damage from 1 skill, which is amazing. Also, if you get wriggles, that 35AD translates into 6HP per attack which is a pretty significant boost to sustain. Also the 35AD adds extra damage to Q and R. But the only thing is...can people play around that and just not auto you or fake you out of your W and then punish you after? I dunno. Also... you get slammed with a 16second cooldown on your Q, which I feel is going to make you a complete donkey in teamfights. If you think about it, if they keep "faking" your W, they're not going to be auto-attacking while you are, so you should still come out on top. Best example I can think of is trying to fake spell interruptions in WoW -- if you kept casting then cancelling, the rogue or whatever could sit around and just not waste their interrupt while you effectively did no damage. Edit: @ post above mine, I believe it only works on big jungle creeps(lizard, blue golem, big double golem, brown wolf, blue wraith). I've never noticed it working on the little ones. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:42 Slayer91 wrote: I don't like going sheen on him either. If you want mana glacials probably a better item. I don't know why people are in love with sheen but really it's mostly good as a burst damage tool when skarner doesn't really need that. Q's scaling is irrelevant is this discussion on fiora, beucase you're getting it from the level 1 anyway. All you care about is the difference between level 1 and level 5. Well the reduced cooldown does effect the scaling, I guess. It isnt a mana item for me, its a "I can proc this shit on demand and kill people with it" item. Plus its dirt cheap. | ||
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