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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 17:56:13
March 02 2012 17:53 GMT
#701
On March 03 2012 02:46 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 02:18 seRapH wrote:
lol, that dota2 beta key site is affiliated with dollarade.

If you're not familiar with the internet you really might want to install adblock/noscript, just fyi

What's dollarade?

Btw I do have adblock but what does noscript help you with. I recall a while back people saying they used it to block scripts from running without their permission but I thought most browsers handled that malicious stuff ok. Doesn't it also stop a lot of things you want to see from loading? How would it help against the site in question.

NoScipt disables executable web content that you do not explicitly give permission to. It also disables other potentially malicious web activity such as XSS (when someone tries to inject HTML or JavaScript code into a different site), CSRF (sort of like XSS, but browser based) and other stuff.

For general browsing purposes, it's probably overkill. However, you can always whitelist important sites (e.g. whitelisting teamliquid.net and googleapis.com will re-enable functionality such as spoilers and collapsing lists on TL). I personally install NoScript on all of my Firefox broswers simply because it's so useful and powerful.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 17:56:58
March 02 2012 17:55 GMT
#702
On March 03 2012 02:46 chalice wrote:
does anyone know how fiora's W interacts with small wolves and wraiths? like most of the time it doesn't seem to affect their attacks, but ~10% of the time it will seem to randomly reflect an attack against them

Fiora parries the next basic attack within 1.5 seconds and reflects magic damage back to the attacker. Works against champions, monsters, and large minions.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Fiora_the_Grand_Duelist
Wolves and wraiths are considered monsters.

On March 03 2012 02:53 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 02:46 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On March 03 2012 02:18 seRapH wrote:
lol, that dota2 beta key site is affiliated with dollarade.

If you're not familiar with the internet you really might want to install adblock/noscript, just fyi

What's dollarade?

Btw I do have adblock but what does noscript help you with. I recall a while back people saying they used it to block scripts from running without their permission but I thought most browsers handled that malicious stuff ok. Doesn't it also stop a lot of things you want to see from loading? How would it help against the site in question.

NoScipt disables executable web content that you do not explicitly give permission to. It also disables other potentially malicious web activity such as XSS (when someone tries to inject HTML or JavaScript code into a different site), CSRF (sort of like XSS, but browser based) and other stuff.

For general browsing purposes, it's probably overkill. However, you can always whitelist important sites (e.g. whitelisting teamliquid.net and googleapis.com will re-enable functionality such as Spoilers on TL). I personally install NoScript on all of my Firefox broswers simply because it's so useful and powerful.

Is this the same type of injection you do to an html form field to try to access databases? Because then it seems to be preventing the noscript user from doing something malicious rather than protecting them from malicious hackers.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 02 2012 18:02 GMT
#703
On March 03 2012 02:55 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 02:46 chalice wrote:
does anyone know how fiora's W interacts with small wolves and wraiths? like most of the time it doesn't seem to affect their attacks, but ~10% of the time it will seem to randomly reflect an attack against them

Fiora parries the next basic attack within 1.5 seconds and reflects magic damage back to the attacker. Works against champions, monsters, and large minions.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Fiora_the_Grand_Duelist
Wolves and wraiths are considered monsters.

...

Pretty sure he knows they are considered monsters.

What he was asking about is why doesn't Parry usually work? It only works very rarely against them.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 02 2012 18:03 GMT
#704
Now I remember why I hate Brazilians.
I hope Riot makes a BR server soon.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 02 2012 18:03 GMT
#705
Maybe it'll block the crits? Just guessing here.
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 18:16:02
March 02 2012 18:09 GMT
#706
On March 03 2012 02:55 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 02:53 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On March 03 2012 02:46 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:

Btw I do have adblock but what does noscript help you with. I recall a while back people saying they used it to block scripts from running without their permission but I thought most browsers handled that malicious stuff ok. Doesn't it also stop a lot of things you want to see from loading? How would it help against the site in question.

NoScipt disables executable web content that you do not explicitly give permission to. It also disables other potentially malicious web activity such as XSS (when someone tries to inject HTML or JavaScript code into a different site), CSRF (sort of like XSS, but browser based) and other stuff.

For general browsing purposes, it's probably overkill. However, you can always whitelist important sites (e.g. whitelisting teamliquid.net and googleapis.com will re-enable functionality such as Spoilers on TL). I personally install NoScript on all of my Firefox broswers simply because it's so useful and powerful.

Is this the same type of injection you do to an html form field to try to access databases? Because then it seems to be preventing the noscript user from doing something malicious rather than protecting them from malicious hackers.


No, its an injection into a page you visit that causes your computer to execute a payload client-side. noscript blocks javascript/java/flash and protects you from xss that have payloads in those technologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting

examples in the wild:

http://www.reddit.com/r/xss/
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 18:16:34
March 02 2012 18:11 GMT
#707
On March 03 2012 02:47 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 02:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
On March 03 2012 02:27 Slayer91 wrote:
If you look at the damage and CD reduction assuming you get hit which if you're jungling/laning anywhere but mid should be happening consistently.


I mean, technically for trades you get the best value out of W if it procs, since you negate 1 autoattack (gain ~70damage), deal 260 damage, and with 35AD you can do an extra 100 or so damage per rotation, so all in all you can potentially come ahead by like 400 damage from 1 skill, which is amazing. Also, if you get wriggles, that 35AD translates into 6HP per attack which is a pretty significant boost to sustain. Also the 35AD adds extra damage to Q and R.

But the only thing is...can people play around that and just not auto you or fake you out of your W and then punish you after? I dunno.

Also... you get slammed with a 16second cooldown on your Q, which I feel is going to make you a complete donkey in teamfights.


If you think about it, if they keep "faking" your W, they're not going to be auto-attacking while you are, so you should still come out on top. Best example I can think of is trying to fake spell interruptions in WoW -- if you kept casting then cancelling, the rogue or whatever could sit around and just not waste their interrupt while you effectively did no damage.

Edit: @ post above mine, I believe it only works on big jungle creeps(lizard, blue golem, big double golem, brown wolf, blue wraith). I've never noticed it working on the little ones.



Welllll, it just seems like a terrible idea for anyone to stand there and trade autos with fiora in the first place, because who's going to beat 35AD + 60% attack + parry + a bunch of regen?

Most champions that fight Fiora are either going to attempt to poke her, ignore her, or cc her and then hit her while she's stunned and then bail.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 18:14:07
March 02 2012 18:13 GMT
#708
I want to ask something,how often do you guys get dcs?
I have been playing sc2 since the beta and got dced a grand total of 4 times as far as I can remember since than in a game.In LoL I get a dc at least once a week.Is it just me or what?
Its seriously infuriating to dc at the start of the game as a fucking jungler for no reason what so ever.
Cackle™
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 02 2012 18:15 GMT
#709
On March 03 2012 03:13 TheKefka wrote:
I want to ask something,how often do you guys get dcs?
I have been playing sc2 since the beta and got dced a grand total of 4 times as far as I can remember since than in a game.In LoL I get a dc at least once a week.Is it just me or what?
Its seriously infuriating to dc at the start of the game as a fucking jungler for no reason what so ever.


I get about a client crash a week, but its almost always during loading and I can get back in before creeps spawn.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 18:18:07
March 02 2012 18:16 GMT
#710
On March 03 2012 02:55 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Is this the same type of injection you do to an html form field to try to access databases? Because then it seems to be preventing the noscript user from doing something malicious rather than protecting them from malicious hackers.

Not exactly. I think you're confusing the two different things NoScipt does. One is controlling what sites you allow connections from, the other is injections.

When you visit a website (say, TL) you're not just getting information just from the teamliquid.net. Right now on NoScript, I have connections from teamliquid.net, googlapis.com, quantserve.com, criteo.com, googlesyndications.com and google-analytics.com. So you're making a connection to each of them, downloading whatever content it sends and running it.

For instance, googlesyndications.com is used to determine the ad that appears at the top of the page, while google-analytics.com is used for stat tracking. However, the code used to run this on TL does not come from the teamliquid.net domain itself. So if you blocked the two google sub-domains, you'd still have the functionality from teamliquid.net but not that of the ones you blocked. This form of blocking basically lets you control what content on a website you wish to allow and what you'd rather not see.

XSS works slightly differently. An XSS attack occurs when your browser is given malicious code it executes under the pretence it came from a trusted website, when it actually didn't. This then lets someone steal your cookie session and take sensitive information such as log-in details or hijack your session. This malicious code can be delivered through several means (such as fake links, direct injection onto a website itself, etc.). The outcome is the same however.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
March 02 2012 18:17 GMT
#711
On March 03 2012 03:15 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 03:13 TheKefka wrote:
I want to ask something,how often do you guys get dcs?
I have been playing sc2 since the beta and got dced a grand total of 4 times as far as I can remember since than in a game.In LoL I get a dc at least once a week.Is it just me or what?
Its seriously infuriating to dc at the start of the game as a fucking jungler for no reason what so ever.


I get about a client crash a week, but its almost always during loading and I can get back in before creeps spawn.


I have only dced in game if my internet cuts out. However the client regularly crashes for me on/before loading.
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chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 02 2012 18:24 GMT
#712
On March 03 2012 03:03 Juicyfruit wrote:
Maybe it'll block the crits? Just guessing here.

this was my original theory as well since i only noticed it happening on wolves, but then last night i parried an attack from a small wraith and i was under the impression that they have 0% crit chance.
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
March 02 2012 18:24 GMT
#713
I'm far from the best Skarner player but I generally do something like Philo + Hog -> Wits -> Trinity unless I REALLY need more armor/MR for some reason. He's actually really good at just fighting people 1v1 once you get Wit's.
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
March 02 2012 18:44 GMT
#714
I have to know how old is rainman?
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 18:56:14
March 02 2012 18:51 GMT
#715
Fiora's W is basically equivalent to pantheon's passive except it doesn't block tower shots. Panth passive blocks damage only over certain threshold value.

Regarding her laning, I actually feel most comfortable playing her bot or mid. Her burst+extra AD from W seemed to make it really easy to win those lanes. Her lack of disengage though makes top lane feel really weak against many popular solo tops.
She has tons of damage potential if you farm your ass off, but again lack of a disengage means you really have execute everything perfectly in teamfights, or you're useless. This kinda makes her real snowbally too, either you are godmode or you're a useless feeder.

Off-topic: I was watching this old karma video on smash's channel titled ''smashed smashgizmo's karma''. Wow god it was crazy. He singlehandedly carried the entire game doing everything - tanking, initiating, pulling off clutch heals/shields and just flat our killing everything in sight. How u so awesome smash?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 02 2012 18:52 GMT
#716
I've literally always done wit's end on skarner. seems stupid as hell to not build any AS with that passive.

for laning with Fiora, I like WQEQQR R > Q > W > E. In jungle it's probably different, but in lane, Q feels the best to max because of how much the CD goes down and damage goes up.
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Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
March 02 2012 18:54 GMT
#717
I just visited the LoL EuW Bug Report section of the official forums. It's seriously populated with little kids whose complaints barely make any sense. I have yet to find a proper bug report there.

I found out yesterdya that Tristana's cast range on Explosive Shot is still 600 range. I tested it when I had 622 attack range. While I was auto attacking a creep, I had to walk a bit closer to it in order to cast Explosive Shot on it, thus the range being @~600.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
March 02 2012 18:55 GMT
#718
On March 03 2012 03:54 Mondieu wrote:
I just visited the LoL EuW Bug Report section of the official forums. It's seriously populated with little kids whose complaints barely make any sense. I have yet to find a proper bug report there.

And I read that on a regular basis lol.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 02 2012 18:55 GMT
#719
On March 03 2012 03:54 Mondieu wrote:
I just visited the LoL EuW Bug Report section of the official forums. It's seriously populated with little kids whose complaints barely make any sense. I have yet to find a proper bug report there.

I found out yesterdya that Tristana's cast range on Explosive Shot is still 600 range. I tested it when I had 622 attack range. While I was auto attacking a creep, I had to walk a bit closer to it in order to cast Explosive Shot on it, thus the range being @~600.

Range on spells =/= range on auto attacks. Its stupid, but they are measured from different points.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 02 2012 19:01 GMT
#720
Since people complain often about Rumble, I was wondering how the ranged AD do against him at top? Probably not that great, since I've never seen it and people must have thought about it before, but on paper it looks like they are safer to harass him, can farm without getting in range of his flamethrower, and even dodge both the harpoons and the flamethrower if they put themselves in their creep wave far enough from him.

The drawbacks may be that he'll outsustain them if they can't manage to dodge his harass, even with a vamp scepter, and probably outpush any that can't push mana-efficiently thanks to the heat system.
How's it for practical purposes?
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