[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 198

On March 17 2012 16:33 broz0rs wrote:
I guess Irelia has to build wriggles now. No more straight to Triforce(?)

or maybe stack Dorans shields? ugh at the thought.

On March 17 2012 13:56 nyxnyxnyx wrote:


I've tried it out, it's pretty good but not worth the 6kish IP in runes unless you're swimming in them

On March 17 2012 18:08 iCanada wrote:


Nah, her sustain literally identical as before with the nerfs assuming you don't pop your W's true damage. They nerf base numbers, but you get twice as much when the active isn't down. It is a very bare bones nerf as far as I am concerned.

The Ulti CD nerf might hurt, but I only ever use it to quickly push lanes to back, save myself from ganks or in teamfights anyway.... I rarely ever find myself saying "Ugh, my ult not up yet... so dumb."

On March 17 2012 18:33 rob.au wrote:
In regards to Irelia I feel like the dota balance approach of waiting to see if she's actually OP or just a fotm due to the current metagame before nerfing her would have been more appropriate. Not exactly sad to see her nerfed since shes been popular for so long but I'm skeptical about how much experimentation teams have tried with top laners and how evolved the picks for that lane actually are.

On March 17 2012 18:08 iCanada wrote:


Nah, her sustain literally identical as before with the nerfs assuming you don't pop your W's true damage. They nerf base numbers, but you get twice as much when the active isn't down. It is a very bare bones nerf as far as I am concerned.

The Ulti CD nerf might hurt, but I only ever use it to quickly push lanes to back, save myself from ganks or in teamfights anyway.... I rarely ever find myself saying "Ugh, my ult not up yet... so dumb." I dunno about you guys, but I feel like her ult just always up.

On March 17 2012 18:16 Doctorbeat wrote:
http://www.lolpro.com/news/252-lulu-patch-skills-details-champions-and-items

Maw of Malmortius - Item Cost 3300 - Recipe Cost 925 - Requires Hexdrinker + Pickaxe - +55 Attack Damage +36 Magic Resist UNIQUE Passive: If you would take magic damage that would leave you at less than 30% Health, you first gain a shield that absorbs 400 magic damage for 5 seconds (60 second cooldown). UNIQUE Passive: +1 Attack Damage for every 2.5% of your Maximum Health that is missing.

This is rather underwhelming imo. The AD is less than a BT, even when you are at 2.5% of your health. It costs more. And a 400 hp shield isn't that great imho. 1 Spell and it's down. It's only 100hp more than the shield of a hexdrinker too, making it less worthy of upgrading.

Oh and finally Shyv's dragon form tankiness is toned down. -5 to tanky stats on all levels. It was a bit ridiculous. And gj on the Shen Q nerf. Bit of a Blitz buff too, though I don't think it will have much impact.

On March 17 2012 16:56 overt wrote:
Seriously, someone from Riot who actually tests champs and stuff comes in to share his opinion and people basically talk down to him. You guys might be right and he might be wrong but you're coming across kind of...dickish?

Like you don't have to accuse him of trolling or make snide remarks as your opening line to make your point. Disagree with him respectfully and you might not only change his opinion but he might encourage more Rioters/testers to discuss things with us. Just my two cents.

On March 17 2012 19:52 BluzMan wrote:
Well, imo, the marketing placement of the new item is off. They promote it as a "new AD caster item" when in fact it's best suited for AD bruisers. The epitome of AD casters would be, say, Urgot, and the stats you need for him to become a damage threat would be AD/CDR/APen. MR and shields is nice, but you build that on him because there's no real way to build cost-efficient pure AD on anyone. BT is nice, but it's unstable and you pay for lifesteal which you don't need.

Btw, when was the last time we got a ranged DPS? The last one was Graves and before him is some antique stuff like Caitlynn. Pretty much the most rare breed of champions, I'm waiting for a new one.

On March 17 2012 19:46 Shikyo wrote:

Sharing his opinion - of course I wouldn't mind that


Going the super exaggeration route - I really don't appreaciate that, feels like a coverup act.


(Currently I'd build Jax with Warmog Atmas Gunblade Wits End and he deals zero damage, now he'll deal even less so I don't think that build would be possible. Gunblade Guinsoos could be the way to go, might even work out decently, though I'm still pretty sure that with that build he'd get exploded in teamfights even with that ulti. I'll admit the ulti might be fine, might work out better than the last one simply because of how cost-effective Guinsoos Rageblade is, but saying it makes Jax feel like how he used to etc. is still just ridiculous)

On March 17 2012 14:00 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
ANOTHER rammus nerf? He was already pretty bad, I think this might push him over to garbage. He'll be completely worthless unless you can finish warmog, thronmail and a MR item, which is way too much gold before you can expect to start fighting.

I wonder if the lifesteal nerf will stop people from being able to go vamp scepter to start their jungle. Also wriggles nerf makes the champions that don't get it better. Amumu maokai etc. Also it's a nice nerf to bottom lane ad's who try to cheese with wriggles.

Lulu movement speed buff, shield, silence, ad and hp buff. She's like a mash up of janna, soraka, nunu. She's as slow as ziggs though, which might break her as an ap carry. 370 movement speed can be dealt with on an ad because you get something to move faster. That only exists on lichbane for ap's. Anivia can get away with it because of her kit, but I don't know about many other ap's that can.

On March 17 2012 20:21 Slayer91 wrote:


What are you talking about, the only consistent jax player I know is scip and he does really well with jax and when I played him jax does insane damage. With GRB, surge, and ulti you have over 200 AP it's insane.

I think he goes wriggles-->GRB-->warmogs atmas. Gunblade is a terrible item and the fact that you get atmogs as well makes it not surprising you don't do that much damage.

Like jax R without activating it is as good as udyr pheonix stasnce and he has a 5 second gap closer and tons of damage from his Q and W and E.

Also scip thinks the jax remake was a BUFF. Since the gunblade nerf, at least.

On March 17 2012 18:42 beefhamburger wrote:

You kinda just contradicted yourself. She's been popular for so long because she's so strong. If anything, I think Riot took their sweet time in nerfing her since she's been a mainstay in top lane for quite a while without really getting touched. It's about time for a change.