• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:16
CEST 00:16
KST 07:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall5HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL34Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?12FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event16Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster14Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29) WardiTV Mondays SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall Help: rep cant save Where did Hovz go?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL20] ProLeague LB Final - Saturday 20:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 662 users

[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 200

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 198 199 200 201 202 244 Next
Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 13:39:39
March 17 2012 13:39 GMT
#3981
Oh wrong thread. Well let's say then, what about building Lulu like Teemo with onhit and Nashors for max CDR too, also Frozen Mallet? Imba?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
March 17 2012 13:50 GMT
#3982
I just read Lulu's skillset. is she supposed to be a support or AP? She seems to deal some damage as well and her shield can scale. Sort of reminds me of Karma except her utility seems awesome even without AP.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 17 2012 13:56 GMT
#3983
On March 17 2012 22:39 Shikyo wrote:
Oh wrong thread. Well let's say then, what about building Lulu like Teemo with onhit and Nashors for max CDR too, also Frozen Mallet? Imba?


Nhat was trying it last night. It seemed kinda fun, but not that good, tbh. I don't think he got FM, so maybe if he had that, it would have been better.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
March 17 2012 14:08 GMT
#3984
On March 17 2012 22:50 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
I just read Lulu's skillset. is she supposed to be a support or AP? She seems to deal some damage as well and her shield can scale. Sort of reminds me of Karma except her utility seems awesome even without AP.

http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/news/lulu-fae-sorceress-revealed
Join me in welcoming Lulu, the Fae Sorceress, as our newest support champion.
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
March 17 2012 14:17 GMT
#3985
Maw of Malmortius seems like a good add. imo taking items that dont get purchased much (hexdrinker, tiamat, etc.) and making them ingredients for another item seems like the easiest way to buff them
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
March 17 2012 14:21 GMT
#3986
Tiamat+Tiamat = Twomat

Lets you start 2x Anal Beads =O
cool beans
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
March 17 2012 14:45 GMT
#3987
Tiamat should be removed outright. It merely exists because Dota has a similar item. Nowadays it´s completely overshadowed by ionic spark even in the tiny nice it had.
Just imagine if it was actually good, do we want ADs to provide good AoE?
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 17 2012 14:47 GMT
#3988
On March 17 2012 23:45 Unentschieden wrote:
Tiamat should be removed outright. It merely exists because Dota has a similar item. Nowadays it´s completely overshadowed by ionic spark even in the tiny nice it had.
Just imagine if it was actually good, do we want ADs to provide good AoE?

You should try kayle.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 17 2012 14:54 GMT
#3989
On March 17 2012 23:45 Unentschieden wrote:
Tiamat should be removed outright. It merely exists because Dota has a similar item. Nowadays it´s completely overshadowed by ionic spark even in the tiny nice it had.
Just imagine if it was actually good, do we want ADs to provide good AoE?

it would probably be a stronger item if recalling didn't exist so regen had some sort of actual value
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 15:32:37
March 17 2012 15:17 GMT
#3990
To oversimplify, in LoL it's an early game item priced as a mid-game one. As much as I love Tiamat Tuesday, it'd benefit from a 500-600 gold item drop (in exchange for removing the Long Sword from the recipe) and making the passive unique (if not a little more leinient splashwise as well).
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 17 2012 15:31 GMT
#3991
On March 18 2012 00:17 ManyCookies wrote:
To oversimplify, in LoL it's an early game item priced as a mid-game one. As much as I love Tiamat Tuesday, it'd benefit from a 500-600 gold item drop (in exchange for removing the Long Sword from the recipe) and making the passive unique (if not a little stronger as well).


Removing the long sword would be the dumbest thing you could do, it's the random smattering of regen stats and the small aoe of the splash damage that hinder the item.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
March 17 2012 15:34 GMT
#3992
On March 18 2012 00:31 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 00:17 ManyCookies wrote:
To oversimplify, in LoL it's an early game item priced as a mid-game one. As much as I love Tiamat Tuesday, it'd benefit from a 500-600 gold item drop (in exchange for removing the Long Sword from the recipe) and making the passive unique (if not a little stronger as well).


Removing the long sword would be the dumbest thing you could do, it's the random smattering of regen stats and the small aoe of the splash damage that hinder the item.


From a jungling perspective I'd love for some of the damage to be removed and it's price to consequently drop. But then rather remove the pickaxe and gimme a 1k gold aoe boost item!
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 17 2012 15:34 GMT
#3993
The splash damage needs to be huge or removed. In LoL people just don't bunch up that close and everyone farms well so it's just not useful.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 15:40:42
March 17 2012 15:34 GMT
#3994
But I mean, the regen stats could be useful if it was a little earlier in the game. That should be the whole point of the item, a nice sustain item that also makes farming easier. A counterpart to Wriggles, if you will. It'd be awesome on Trundle or something.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 17 2012 15:35 GMT
#3995
Regen is inferior to lifesteal though.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 15:41:55
March 17 2012 15:41 GMT
#3996
On March 18 2012 00:35 Slayer91 wrote:
Regen is inferior to lifesteal though.


But this game NEEDS a reason for me to buy 6k ip worth of lifesteal glyphs.

-edit- QUINTS!
Only the dead have seen the end of war
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 17 2012 15:47 GMT
#3997
On March 18 2012 00:34 ManyCookies wrote:
But I mean, the regen stats could be useful if it was a little earlier in the game. That should be the whole point of the item, a nice sustain item that also makes farming easier. A counterpart to Wriggles, if you will. It'd be awesome on Trundle or something.

You don't want splash early in lane though (pushes the lane even if you don't want to, can make lasthitting harder, and you're only against a single champion so the splash is useless). It would be mostly for jungling, and directly compete with Wriggle's. There's no place for Tiamat as an early game item.

An item that adds significant splash to your autoattacks for little money while providing few stats by itself could be interesting. Like if it had 100% splash damage (including crits), and you got it after you have a couple of damage items already it could be a meaningful investment. It would however have the issue that it could rapidly become OP for champs like Kog and Trist.

At least this would be a real niche the item could fill. But seriously, just drop it from the game. Along with Leviathan.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 17 2012 15:51 GMT
#3998
Levithan shouldn't be removed if occult and mejais stayed, just need to buff it, lol.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
March 17 2012 16:14 GMT
#3999
On March 17 2012 22:03 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
I think next patch we'll see a shift of bruiser builds from atmog to fratma + new MR item. That grants health + MR + Armor and two extremely strong passive.

And it seems that the lifesteal nerf will only make Udyr and Lee Sin more viable because neither of them really need wriggles.

As far as I've seen, people haven't been building atmogs in favor of fratma's for over 3 months now.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
March 17 2012 16:24 GMT
#4000
Have we discussed how Atmas is just absurdly gold efficient? Most champions have around 2k base health at 18, so it's about 40 AD for 825 gold with no health items. THEN it gives about 30% of the gold value of Health in AD.
Prev 1 198 199 200 201 202 244 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
20:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Gerald vs MojaLIVE!
ArT vs Jumy
SteadfastSC256
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 256
Livibee 133
ProTech69
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 271
Aegong 114
yabsab 34
NaDa 7
Stormgate
NightEnD10
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm30
League of Legends
Dendi1306
Counter-Strike
summit1g7998
Stewie2K810
Foxcn252
sgares170
Super Smash Bros
Liquid`Ken47
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu567
Khaldor156
Other Games
Grubby2802
fl0m1014
Pyrionflax168
ZombieGrub71
Mew2King58
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta101
• musti20045 48
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 20
• Eskiya23 17
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift3725
• Jankos1743
• masondota2595
Other Games
• imaqtpie1042
• Scarra1010
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 44m
The PondCast
11h 44m
RSL Revival
11h 44m
ByuN vs Classic
Clem vs Cham
WardiTV European League
17h 44m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
RSL Revival
1d 11h
herO vs SHIN
Reynor vs Cure
WardiTV European League
1d 17h
FEL
1d 17h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
FEL
3 days
BSL: ProLeague
3 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-28
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.