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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
March 15 2012 19:07 GMT
#3321
Wait I just noticed it....does Dyrus have his camera locked while he plays?O_O
Holy shit,why lol?
Cackle™
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
March 15 2012 19:26 GMT
#3322
He just says he's used to it.
Honestly I've considered doing it because in huge battles I lose track of my champion with all the crap that's flying around. Having it locked makes it so you never lose where you are. It may be noob but it's not totally useless.
pschiu
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore410 Posts
March 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#3323
On March 16 2012 04:26 beefhamburger wrote:
He just says he's used to it.
Honestly I've considered doing it because in huge battles I lose track of my champion with all the crap that's flying around. Having it locked makes it so you never lose where you are. It may be noob but it's not totally useless.


But but but you just have to press spacebar...
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
March 15 2012 19:35 GMT
#3324
On March 16 2012 04:26 beefhamburger wrote:
He just says he's used to it.
Honestly I've considered doing it because in huge battles I lose track of my champion with all the crap that's flying around. Having it locked makes it so you never lose where you are. It may be noob but it's not totally useless.

Huh I guess old habits die hard,I just hit the spacebar to refocus when shit gets real crazy.
Cackle™
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 15 2012 19:39 GMT
#3325
So if anyone can find the vod/website/dark voodoo ritual I need to preform to watch Saint's Episode of "Iam the carry" please let me know. Because I'd really like to watch that and I know several others would as well.

Also, Junglers are a willy group so don't get too cranky o_o it's just the nature of killing buff camps and taxing lanes all day.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
March 15 2012 19:39 GMT
#3326
Honestly playing league with camera lock is like keyboard turning and backpedalling in WOW. You might as well play with a helmet strapped on.

Getting used to moving around is the #1 step in any game, and moving in LoL is much simpler than other games. Just spacebar if you get lost.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 15 2012 20:06 GMT
#3327
On March 16 2012 01:46 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 01:36 Seuss wrote:
If they did scale exp enough that you'd get the same total at, say, 7 minutes you'd end up drastically empowering farming junglers because thereafter the jungle would grant at least 75% more exp than it does currently. I don't think "fixing" level 2 ganking is worth the consequences of nearly doubling the exp value of the jungle past 8 minutes.

Except junglers don't clear at the same rate. How do you adjust the XP scaling in such away that it affects all junglers in a uniform manner?


You can't, which is why I noted it would ridiculously favor farming junglers, and why my overall point was "this is a really bad idea".

On March 16 2012 03:27 Sandster wrote:
This is not an uncommon situation:

Say Udyr vs Lee, I'm Udyr purple side. Wolves blue [I see Lee started red] wraiths red golems wraiths wolves. There's a good chance Lee tried to level 2/3 gank mid or bot and failed, though if he went mid I would have stopped jungling and headed there immediately.

Normally after wolves I'd back, but I see Lee yet again flying out of the jungle at top lane, this time with double buff. My teammate survives, and I run over and jack their wraiths. I see Lee gank again, and I either gank mid/bot or take his golems and back.

Lee at this point should take my golems and gank top a 3rd time. If he gets it off successfully, their top lane wins. If my top lane had to back at any point, Lee would take my golems and leave with minimal loss in levels/gold. This is how most people camp; it doesn't literally mean sit in the tri brush for a full minute breathing through your helmet.

Now say I respond by running top instead of invading. By the time I get there, my top lane probably has no summoners or pots, or had to go back himself. Either way we can't fight 2v2, and I'm probably stuck there holding the wave at our turret while they go back and buy.

Now, it's not RISKLESS. You are undeniably behind if you camp top and fail. But the thing is, the risk/reward ratio is such that, if you fail, you're not that far behind, but if you succeed, you are way way ahead. Again, make sure your buffs are down, or at least ward such that your mid/bot collapses if he tries to steal.


If Lee level 2 ganks bottom in your scenario there's very little preventing Udyr from stealing his Blue. Even with a ward an attentive Udyr will see mid and top collapsing, pick a direction, and either escape or initiate a fight that's advantageous to him (2v1 or 3v2). Lee's Blue buff is only really safe if he limits himself to ganking mid (which is much less likely to succeed due to the lane size and the proximity to the enemy jungler).

The payoff for a successful level 2 gank is big, but the payoff for the opposing jungler is also big if the gank fails. They get ~70-125g and ~280-410 exp at the ganker's expense, the gold/exp from a couple of their own camps, a critical buff, and now know exactly when every buff on the map will spawn. That's huge, and why level 2 ganking is very risky unless you have a near 100% chance of a kill.

I don't think the risk/reward ratio is out of whack for that reason, but apparently Riot disagrees.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 20:10:10
March 15 2012 20:08 GMT
#3328
On March 16 2012 04:07 TheKefka wrote:
Wait I just noticed it....does Dyrus have his camera locked while he plays?O_O
Holy shit,why lol?

He always has had camera lock


(And yes it's a very bad idea, might as well hold spacebar when you need it)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 15 2012 20:23 GMT
#3329
Let's not get all judgmental. I agree it's weird for Dyrus to have his camera locked but he's used to it and likes to play that well.
Topic's done.
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kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
March 15 2012 20:30 GMT
#3330
On March 16 2012 05:08 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 04:07 TheKefka wrote:
Wait I just noticed it....does Dyrus have his camera locked while he plays?O_O
Holy shit,why lol?

He always has had camera lock


(And yes it's a very bad idea, might as well hold spacebar when you need it)


Space...bar? F1 this whole time TT
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 15 2012 20:30 GMT
#3331
He pretty obviously toggles it on and off, I really don't see anything wrong with it.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
March 15 2012 20:31 GMT
#3332
On March 16 2012 05:30 kuresuti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 05:08 Shikyo wrote:
On March 16 2012 04:07 TheKefka wrote:
Wait I just noticed it....does Dyrus have his camera locked while he plays?O_O
Holy shit,why lol?

He always has had camera lock


(And yes it's a very bad idea, might as well hold spacebar when you need it)


Space...bar? F1 this whole time TT


How did you manage to not even find out accidentally? o_o
Romanes eunt domus
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 15 2012 20:36 GMT
#3333
Who else gets really annoyed watching the 1 hour of random bs before 2 teams actually get into game?

TSM vs Sypher for some tourney on basically every TSM stream for anyone who cares(it's past that part I complained about now, so it's safe to tune in).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
March 15 2012 20:41 GMT
#3334
whys oddone not streaming D:
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 15 2012 20:43 GMT
#3335
On March 16 2012 05:36 red_ wrote:
Who else gets really annoyed watching the 1 hour of random bs before 2 teams actually get into game?

TSM vs Sypher for some tourney on basically every TSM stream for anyone who cares(it's past that part I complained about now, so it's safe to tune in).


Multiple tabs ftw!
But yeah... I waste a lot of time trying to find a stream because TSM makes up a large number of the active streams atm and they're all twiddling their thumbs.

At least it's starting now!
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seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
March 15 2012 20:57 GMT
#3336
TSM getting wrecked.
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 15 2012 20:58 GMT
#3337
Why is Reginald playing Gragas so much? I mean, it's in my opinion a stretch to say his gragas is actually really good, I'd call it mediocre at best. In addition he just seems to have the weirdest ults ever and then there's the issue that Gragas just isn't a good mid at all.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
March 15 2012 21:02 GMT
#3338
On March 16 2012 05:58 Shikyo wrote:
Why is Reginald playing Gragas so much? I mean, it's in my opinion a stretch to say his gragas is actually really good, I'd call it mediocre at best. In addition he just seems to have the weirdest ults ever and then there's the issue that Gragas just isn't a good mid at all.

His Gragas is okay, his overall play these days isn't. And how the fuck is Gragas not a good mid champion?
currently rooting for myself.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 15 2012 21:03 GMT
#3339
On March 16 2012 05:58 Shikyo wrote:
Why is Reginald playing Gragas so much? I mean, it's in my opinion a stretch to say his gragas is actually really good, I'd call it mediocre at best. In addition he just seems to have the weirdest ults ever and then there's the issue that Gragas just isn't a good mid at all.


Not to mention, he picked Gragas after the Morg pick, and Black Shield completely defeats the purpose of Gragas's most defining trait which is his ult's repositioning of important targets(either Morg herself ulting in a teamfight, or the carry).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 21:07:02
March 15 2012 21:04 GMT
#3340
On March 16 2012 05:58 Shikyo wrote:
Why is Reginald playing Gragas so much? I mean, it's in my opinion a stretch to say his gragas is actually really good, I'd call it mediocre at best. In addition he just seems to have the weirdest ults ever and then there's the issue that Gragas just isn't a good mid at all.


lol... ? Reginald's gragas is probably (imo) his best champion, I would even say that he has a top 3 gragas in the world..; Truly I am confused about your comment, just look at that penta kill he hit with team USA vs team Canada (as a Canadian I don't remember this moment fondly ).
However yeah his ultimates seem to be very hit and miss; but it isn't the easiest ulti to hit: you either go for max damage (hitting their entire team) or trying to blast one of their important carries into your comrades. Doing both at the same time is very very hard and this is why I believe he misses a couple every so often ;o.
Oh I think that gragas>morgana but that's just my opinion, black shield negates any magical cc so the argument that it messes up your ulti doesnt really matter- I mean 1 person is safe (most likely the ad carry), but that leaves morgana open. In laning from level 4 as long as you dodge the morgana Q you should have your way with her...
But what do any of these comments have to do with this patch? I can't say anymore or ima get in troubbbleee again.
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