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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On March 13 2012 20:43 Shikyo wrote: Oh mobility is solely about crossing the River? Then how about Sion, TF? I took it for general mobility in which case Fizz is superb, and you indeed can't keep spamming ulti continuously with Kass even with bluebuff. And again I was merely saying that it's not hilarious to think that Fizz has better mobility than Kassadin. To me, mobility is about getting from A to B as quickly as possible. Being a slippery bitch in a teamfight is another story for me, because if that was a criteria, might aswell call LeBlanc really mobile. She's obviously one of the more mobile champions, but there's no way you can consider her as mobile as Fizz/Gragas/Kass. Sion isn't inherently mobile at all, it's a choice you make as a player to get mobies on him. He's not more mobile than Lux, Brand or Cassio are. About that Twisted Fate comparison... Yeah. Classical Shikyo. Don't you dare minding his cooldown. | ||
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Nehsb
United States380 Posts
On March 13 2012 21:23 BlueSpace wrote: I don't think her late game capabilities were hit that hard. She is still a monster when she gets through laning phase. The problem is that she was struggling with that before the nerf and now you need to be really careful when to pick her. Since we are talking about ad carries... I started using Ashe again and I'm in love  I don't actually know why but the small buffs and especially the reduced mana costs on her skills have made her so much more enjoyable for me. Do other people feel the same? I just get through laning much better with her now. Before I would just always get outharrased because I couldn't really use w to harass without running oom.But the lack of free repositioning really hurts her ability to kill stuff in the early teamfights or 1v1ing a bruiser early-midgame. Before, she had bad laning, but you could do a lot in early fights where both sides committed. It feels a lot harder to do that now. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On March 13 2012 09:14 Kyo Yuy wrote: As an active jungler, what I REALLY hate is when a lane demands ganks, and when I show up and gank the laner just stands there and doesn't fight at all. I've had this happen to me on several occasions. And obviously if they run far enough I don't tower dive, then they flame me for being a fail ganker because they expect me to beat the other guy 1v1 and tower dive them and kill them because good junglers are invincible and can't die. I rarely will chase someone all the way to their tower and it's worse when a laner just stands there and farms expecting me to do ALL the work in the gank, and yells at me for being a bad jungler if I don't kill the guy FOR HIM while he doesn't even try to make it a 2v1. In soloq, I won't even try to gank a lane if the guy called it right as the start and cry for a gank after. Unless I spot a freekill. I hate those stupid noob who call SOLO TOP LANE then fail miserably and blame me. On March 13 2012 11:58 Two_DoWn wrote: I have decided. LoL NEEDS to switch to the 5 bans split into 2 phases. You could do things like ACTUALLY pick a top lane before last pick. And you finally would be able to ban support ! Yay! | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On March 13 2012 21:30 Shikyo wrote: Why would the amumu not have 1-1-3-1 again? Because I'm lazy and that would mean I have to actually exactly calculate how many e's he can get off... Damn you... now I have to calculate that too... On March 13 2012 21:37 Nehsb wrote: But the lack of free repositioning really hurts her ability to kill stuff in the early teamfights or 1v1ing a bruiser early-midgame. Before, she had bad laning, but you could do a lot in early fights where both sides committed. It feels a lot harder to do that now. The damage during ult got reduced and her stealth time as well movement speed got nerfed slightly. Hard to quantify that in teamfights. The actual tumble cd wasn't touched. So you can still tumble as much as before. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 13 2012 21:34 Shiv. wrote: To me, mobility is about getting from A to B as quickly as possible. Being a slippery bitch in a teamfight is another story for me, because if that was a criteria, might aswell call LeBlanc really mobile. She's obviously one of the more mobile champions, but there's no way you can consider her as mobile as Fizz/Gragas/Kass. Sion isn't inherently mobile at all, it's a choice you make as a player to get mobies on him. He's not more mobile than Lux, Brand or Cassio are. About that Twisted Fate comparison... Yeah. Classical Shikyo. Don't you dare minding his cooldown. You really are confusing "this is strictly better than this" with "it's not hilarious to say so" ? Also nice ad hominem attack On March 13 2012 21:46 Alaric wrote: I'm probably done jungling Jax tho, he feels really too weak early on as a sustained dps dude with no survivability except for a dodge on a really long cd (granted, that game there were no autoattackers except Ez, and even then, but I've felt that way for awhile). Besides, his clears aren't even that fast. Better pick Olaf if I want a lategame monster, jungling bruiser. Just pick Shyvana or Udyr. | ||
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Nehsb
United States380 Posts
On March 13 2012 21:38 BlueSpace wrote: Because I'm lazy and that would mean I have to actually exactly calculate how many e's he can get off... Damn you... now I have to calculate that too... The damage during ult got reduced and her stealth time as well movement speed got nerfed slightly. Hard to quantify that in teamfights. The actual tumble cd wasn't touched. So you can still tumble as much as before. But for example, if you're solo pushing and a bruiser attacks you, it's much harder now to rq, get a good positioning, wallstun, and then kill him. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Apart from having the lowest CD blink in the game (with one of the longest ranges) he is able to traverse terrain that Fizz cant. Not to mention that if you are counting Fizz q as the be all and end all of mobility, then just about every bruiser is more mobile than Kassadin as well. Fizz E isnt a movment tool either- you cant hop a bunch of walls, its range is limited, and its better used as a projectile pop. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
In case he went 1/3/1/1 and only uses one e he needs 7 seconds (again with smite). So yes... he can easily kill blue within ten seconds if he has smite up. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Not sure if anyone saw that, since it was in the BW subforum and I dont check that as much as I should. Its an interview between Tossgirl and Kim Carrier. Relevant to us because it would seem that Carrier is REALLY into lol. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 13 2012 22:28 BlueSpace wrote: I redid the math on Amumu and I actually noticed that I didn't include smite the first time. Assuming that he can get off two e's and is specced 1/1/3/1 and including smite he only needs 6 seconds to kill blue. In case he went 1/3/1/1 and only uses one e he needs 7 seconds (again with smite). So yes... he can easily kill blue within ten seconds if he has smite up. I once maxed Q on Nunu, got two wriggles procs, and smited blue :D. But yeah counterjungling is really really fast. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On March 13 2012 21:46 Alaric wrote: I'm probably done jungling Jax tho, he feels really too weak early on as a sustained dps dude with no survivability except for a dodge on a really long cd (granted, that game there were no autoattackers except Ez, and even then, but I've felt that way for awhile). Besides, his clears aren't even that fast. Better pick Olaf if I want a lategame monster, jungling bruiser. I would not pick a jungler because I want to become a lategame monster. That's what top lane is for. IMO the best Junglers need to have strong early/mid games to snowball into the mid/late game. Look at a champ like Lee Sin. If Lee doesn't get any successful ganks there is so much more farm in the lanes that he is going to fall behind in items, and he will have a poor late game. Look at Fiddle Sticks. If he gets 4 items he's going to be a scary champ poping out of bushes and killing carries in one combo. If Fiddle gets counter jungled and falls behind in levels he's not going to have the same threat which is why the first 4 levels of Fiddle's jungle will make or break him IMO. If you can get 4 and get a good gank, you're going to be able to keep up, but if you're blue gets stolen and wraiths get stolen and its 7 minutes in and you haven't hit 4 yet you're going to need the enemy to throw the game, or get carried by a 10-0 lane guy. This is why I don't like WW. His pre-6 gank is nothing to write home about, and he can get more farm for a superior late game out of top lane. Another thing to factor in when picking your jungler, is where is the cc coming from? If my bot lane is Soraka, Graves I'm not going to be picking Shyvanna because there is no cc in that lane. I would rather take a Jungler with good cc to secure kills in those ganks. Shyvanna is best when combined with a team that has cc coming from every lane. Just some food for though. tl;dr Pick your jungler because of strong ganks early/mid game and they fit in with the team comp, don't pick a jungler because you can afk farm from camp to camp hoping to come out at 40 minutes and be a late game terror, more often then not you're not going to make it that far because your team is dying in lane, blaming you, and you're not helping make kills happen. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Edit: I'm not even afk farming in the jungle. In fact, I need to focus on doing that more, to be able to maximize my farm because atm I'm too much like TOO: all over the place, but if I don't get a lot of kills/assists that'll put me too much behind eventually. I picked up Jax after the remake, because I found him fun, but what I wanted to say is that his early is too weak to be suitable to the jungle for me (I'm sure people can make him work, but I see why he's not doing that well). I mainly tried Jax in the jungle because of his weak early game, didn't feel comfortable sending him top where it seems he's got losing match-ups aplenty. Then the more aggressive jungle/counterjungle trend emerges, and he's not safe there either. I'm trying to diversify my pool of junglers, w/o relying on learning other champs too much (need to focus on a few ones on which to get a pretty good level to be able to play them in ranked). As of now I have Maokai/Nautilus as the gankers/support/cc/peel type, and Trundle/Olaf as the farmers/better scaling offensively ones (and still Trundle's kit too good not to bait me into being proactive and losing farm to help losing lanes). I guess I'll have to resort to Udyr eventually, but I'd rather delay that to practice whatever champs I already own and enjoy. And I can't be concise for the life of me... meh. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On March 13 2012 22:00 Shikyo wrote: You really are confusing "this is strictly better than this" with "it's not hilarious to say so" ? Also nice ad hominem attack Just pick Shyvana or Udyr. zzzz. Don't trollbait and then get defensive when you get called out on it. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
http://www.own3d.tv/SoloMid#/watch/515650 | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On March 13 2012 22:40 Alaric wrote: He's got a TV show somewhat akin to TL Attack! (I think that was the name? TL Arena went later) entitled "I'm the Carry" where he plays with Korean LoL pros, too. Loco was featured in one, there's footage somewhere in our subforum from a few days ago. Edit: I'm not even afk farming in the jungle. In fact, I need to focus on doing that more, to be able to maximize my farm because atm I'm too much like TOO: all over the place, but if I don't get a lot of kills/assists that'll put me too much behind eventually. I picked up Jax after the remake, because I found him fun, but what I wanted to say is that his early is too weak to be suitable to the jungle for me (I'm sure people can make him work, but I see why he's not doing that well). I mainly tried Jax in the jungle because of his weak early game, didn't feel comfortable sending him top where it seems he's got losing match-ups aplenty. Then the more aggressive jungle/counterjungle trend emerges, and he's not safe there either. I'm trying to diversify my pool of junglers, w/o relying on learning other champs too much (need to focus on a few ones on which to get a pretty good level to be able to play them in ranked). As of now I have Maokai/Nautilus as the gankers/support/cc/peel type, and Trundle/Olaf as the farmers/better scaling offensively ones (and still Trundle's kit too good not to bait me into being proactive and losing farm to help losing lanes). I guess I'll have to resort to Udyr eventually, but I'd rather delay that to practice whatever champs I already own and enjoy. And I can't be concise for the life of me... meh. You can play nauti pretty agressive. Also his defenses are pretty damn good with minimal defensive items, allowing you to go for some AP items and his scaling with ap/cdr is pretty damn sexy. For me a good jungle-gank rotation is dependant on what lanes get pushed and their junglers movements (which is why I ward 1-2 jungle locations). If all your lanes are pushing (so no gank opportunities) and you don't see their jungler going for ganks just farm up all 3 camps non stop (and ofc buff camps when they spawn). If lanes get pressured I farm 2 camps -> try a gank -> farm 2 camps -> try a gank. With mobile/fast clearing junglers you can spend 20-30 seconds ganking/pressuring between your camp clears and still keep up nigh perfect 2 camp clearing. When you can't gank but you see their jungler ganking, use that opportunity to counterjungle (unless you can countergank ofc) | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On March 13 2012 23:03 D u o wrote: I'm looking to play on top lane quite a bit and I just want to know some of the more dominant picks at the moment, currently I've got the obvious Shen. But I've also got Akali although I feel really weak with her because I can't escape ganks all too easy I've only got the flash. I've done some cute things with her ult to escape and that's basically all I've got. I'm looking to play leesin like voyboy and just start dashing onto wards. So that puts 3 champs under my belt, what other champs have a lot of survive-ability in top lane? Other champs I seen at IEM were irelia and I'll be adding a kennen to that too. [I kind of like the ninjas ;X ;D] Sorry for double post. Irelia, WW, Cho, Renekton, Tryn, Lee Sin all have sustain in their kit and are suited well for top lane. You could go as far as to throw Ahri (spell vamp passive), Gragas (happy hour passive), <insert any AP you'd be building WotA on for a double WotA comp>. Even the bruisers with out sustain built in can be good top lane, as you can just buy Philostone and/or wriggles lantern. | ||
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