[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 117

On March 12 2012 19:49 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Yes and no, damage will allways scale harder lategame then any regen you might have. You cant have equal insane amounts of everything.

On March 12 2012 18:28 dignity wrote:
I believe Sion heals his team mates a portion of what he heals himself, so it should reduce overall team healing. Don't quote me on that.

I know galio's bulwark procs off each tick though, so ignite doesn't really kill him.

@Bluespace

Coinflippy isn't really the right term I guess. Saying it is a hard counter would be a more accurate phrase.

The problem I find stems from people that have high sustain on a much lower cooldown than your sustain reduction. Once again people like warwick and vladimir come to mind, where they have high amounts of sustain on an extremely low cool down. The thing is, champions like the ones mentioned can't really be played around. You either can kill him or you can't. It doesn't matter if you are a better player, if you just don't have the capacity to kill him without dying, they end up being immovable in lane. There simply isn't very much interaction between these champions and their opponents.

The problem is slightly alleviated by the ability to counterpick in a draft setting, but that is really more of a band-aid solution. I'm not proposing a nerf to the mechanic, since it would indeed make the champions in question much too strong.

A good example would be Irelia. Its possible for you to kill her without a heal reduction effect, but more difficult. A heal reduction will give you some advantage, but it in no way gimps her to the point that she just dies. It is possible to interact with her because her healing is over a much longer period of time, and is on the condition that she is auto attacking.

On March 12 2012 18:43 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Why do you presume that changes to ignite would not follow changes to sustain? I love playing Mundo, but I would be fine with riot nerfing his ult in tandem with changes to ignite/heal reduc.

As it stands ignite serves three purposes: extra damage in your nuking combo, killing off fleeing champions and stopping super sustain. Making the heal reduc less extreme might make champions like Mundo, Swain and Vladimir easier to balance.

SCBW, SCII and other strategy games should have tought us that hard counters are generally bad, as they tend to produce coinflip situations that you cannot improve from. Ignite is not quite a hard counter, but its close enough that it should be discussed.

On March 12 2012 19:16 Shiv. wrote:
T_D I need your guidance.
Show the how to bear for real men.

On March 12 2012 21:36 Two_DoWn wrote:

Well, real men jungle. So real men play jungle bear.

9/21/0- picking up teir 1, then grabbing the mpen mastery (your ult will thank you). As reds, armor yellows, Mr/lvl blues, Armpen quints (sub an as red to hit 10 armpen).

e-q-w. You can start either red or blue- blue is easier for jungling, while red will get you a kill at level 2.

After that I go e>w>q. I have seen others (saint) go with a w max, so I do need to try that. If you have blue e will clear very quickly, but without it you are gonna be pretty slow till you have wrigles and wits- so I can see why w would be very effective. But then again, the slow from E is pretty damn huge (its basically Sej's entire kit on 1 skill).

Build is Wriggles, Wits, tank.

On March 12 2012 21:58 Shiv. wrote:

TYVM, will try and report.
Oh, and I guess style of jungling is the usual never gank always farm unless people are ridiculously dumb? How does he fare with an early Oracle's?

On March 12 2012 22:03 jadoth wrote:
what does everyone think about support voil. i have gotten fed every time i have had one, seen the other teams ad ever time they have had one and lost my lane by about 20 cs and a kill the only time i was against one. it is just so hard to farm when you have a bear rushing you in the face the whole time.

On March 12 2012 22:27 unichan wrote:

problem is if the enemy isn't dumb and die 10000 time then he is worthless later because he's going to rush at your team and get focused down in half a second while other supports skills let you do stuff from a distance

On March 12 2012 23:38 Sabin010 wrote:
Why play support Volibear, when Blitzgank does the same thing with more range, and doesn't have to stick his neck in the open to get a pull?

On March 12 2012 22:02 Two_DoWn wrote:

Actually, gank the shit outta people. Use discretion of course (ie be happy to farm if there arent any opportunities) but you will quickly find that being outside of tower range is a gank opportunity. q in, then either flip them and slow or use your e to slow them, then flip. After that just beat on them for a sec and they dead.

I would advise against early oracles. you REALLY need wits and at least a recurve bow. Badly.

On March 12 2012 23:58 Shiv. wrote:

Alright, from the first game, I feel he's PRETTY good. Towerdove bot at lvl 3 because my laners were too dumb to follow up a gank (seriously, it's not that hard for Taric Ashe, isn't it?), forced flashes left and right, not even post 6 Kass was able to escape me. I like the kid a lot, not sure about builds, though. I accumulated 3k gold just because I had too much fun messig around so I straight up bought Warmog's, but I think some sort of Phage / Aegis / Atma's might fit him well. Farming isn't too good with him, but it works I guess. But them ganks. Them ganks.

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On March 11 2012 20:58 EngrishTeacher wrote:


It's not elitism when you want to preserve the continued success of your beloved, more challenging and stimulating game.

The fact of the matter is, esports is expanding slowly. Meaning when a new game is released, it's going to pull viewers away from the older game. Now I'm completely fine with that, but when the new game is completely garbage in terms of competitiveness (some complain SC2 is more luck-based than BW and not as balanced, to which I just point them to LoL and everyone just lols), I get fucking pissed. Personally, I just cannot, for the life of me, accept a game that requires 60APM to play PERFECTLY. Strategies/tactics/game knowledge/etc. aside, the mechanical raw speed and precision of both bw and sc2 progamers amazes me, and unfortunately the same cannot be said for any MOBA games; even watching top-tier LoL streams I realize that with a bit of training to expand my game knowledge, I'd be able to play just as well as the LoL "progamer".