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On March 12 2012 23:59 Two_DoWn wrote:And besides, Blitzcrank is a robot. Everyone knows that robots, like gingers, have no soul. Do you REALLY think a soulless automiton is awesome? Do you REALLY? Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 23:58 Shiv. wrote:On March 12 2012 22:02 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 12 2012 21:58 Shiv. wrote:On March 12 2012 21:36 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 12 2012 19:16 Shiv. wrote:
T_D I need your guidance.
Show the how to bear for real men. Well, real men jungle. So real men play jungle bear. 9/21/0- picking up teir 1, then grabbing the mpen mastery (your ult will thank you). As reds, armor yellows, Mr/lvl blues, Armpen quints (sub an as red to hit 10 armpen). e-q-w. You can start either red or blue- blue is easier for jungling, while red will get you a kill at level 2. After that I go e>w>q. I have seen others (saint) go with a w max, so I do need to try that. If you have blue e will clear very quickly, but without it you are gonna be pretty slow till you have wrigles and wits- so I can see why w would be very effective. But then again, the slow from E is pretty damn huge (its basically Sej's entire kit on 1 skill). Build is Wriggles, Wits, tank. TYVM, will try and report. Oh, and I guess style of jungling is the usual never gank always farm unless people are ridiculously dumb? How does he fare with an early Oracle's? Actually, gank the shit outta people. Use discretion of course (ie be happy to farm if there arent any opportunities) but you will quickly find that being outside of tower range is a gank opportunity. q in, then either flip them and slow or use your e to slow them, then flip. After that just beat on them for a sec and they dead. I would advise against early oracles. you REALLY need wits and at least a recurve bow. Badly. Alright, from the first game, I feel he's PRETTY good. Towerdove bot at lvl 3 because my laners were too dumb to follow up a gank (seriously, it's not that hard for Taric Ashe, isn't it?), forced flashes left and right, not even post 6 Kass was able to escape me. I like the kid a lot, not sure about builds, though. I accumulated 3k gold just because I had too much fun messig around so I straight up bought Warmog's, but I think some sort of Phage / Aegis / Atma's might fit him well. Farming isn't too good with him, but it works I guess. But them ganks. Them ganks. Yep, thats Volibear. If he could farm there would be no reason to ever play Lee Sin or Maokai. The big thing is he just needs AS so damn bad. Or the mana cost on his E to go way down.
I've been following your Volibear build for a few weeks and it kicks ass. It really disappoints me how people say to stack health and I see people rushing Warmog's/Mallet. It just turns you into Garen because your W is only good for KS and has an 18 second CD so you're not using it more than once in a fight anyway >.>
If you use your Wit's build, you become just as tanky as the health stacking Volibears, except you actually do damage because his ult is OP.
BTW have you thought about building a HoG after your Wriggle's for GP5? Also what runes do you use?
I have been using: Attack speed reds, HP/lvl yellows, MR/lvl or attack speed blues, and armor quints.
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On March 13 2012 00:38 Mogwai wrote:
...sigh
You know what the best part is? HE KEEPS GOING. It isnt a troll. He got called out, but kept going.
On March 13 2012 00:38 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 23:59 Two_DoWn wrote:And besides, Blitzcrank is a robot. Everyone knows that robots, like gingers, have no soul. Do you REALLY think a soulless automiton is awesome? Do you REALLY? On March 12 2012 23:58 Shiv. wrote:On March 12 2012 22:02 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 12 2012 21:58 Shiv. wrote:On March 12 2012 21:36 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 12 2012 19:16 Shiv. wrote:
T_D I need your guidance.
Show the how to bear for real men. Well, real men jungle. So real men play jungle bear. 9/21/0- picking up teir 1, then grabbing the mpen mastery (your ult will thank you). As reds, armor yellows, Mr/lvl blues, Armpen quints (sub an as red to hit 10 armpen). e-q-w. You can start either red or blue- blue is easier for jungling, while red will get you a kill at level 2. After that I go e>w>q. I have seen others (saint) go with a w max, so I do need to try that. If you have blue e will clear very quickly, but without it you are gonna be pretty slow till you have wrigles and wits- so I can see why w would be very effective. But then again, the slow from E is pretty damn huge (its basically Sej's entire kit on 1 skill). Build is Wriggles, Wits, tank. TYVM, will try and report. Oh, and I guess style of jungling is the usual never gank always farm unless people are ridiculously dumb? How does he fare with an early Oracle's? Actually, gank the shit outta people. Use discretion of course (ie be happy to farm if there arent any opportunities) but you will quickly find that being outside of tower range is a gank opportunity. q in, then either flip them and slow or use your e to slow them, then flip. After that just beat on them for a sec and they dead. I would advise against early oracles. you REALLY need wits and at least a recurve bow. Badly. Alright, from the first game, I feel he's PRETTY good. Towerdove bot at lvl 3 because my laners were too dumb to follow up a gank (seriously, it's not that hard for Taric Ashe, isn't it?), forced flashes left and right, not even post 6 Kass was able to escape me. I like the kid a lot, not sure about builds, though. I accumulated 3k gold just because I had too much fun messig around so I straight up bought Warmog's, but I think some sort of Phage / Aegis / Atma's might fit him well. Farming isn't too good with him, but it works I guess. But them ganks. Them ganks. Yep, thats Volibear. If he could farm there would be no reason to ever play Lee Sin or Maokai. The big thing is he just needs AS so damn bad. Or the mana cost on his E to go way down. I've been following your Volibear build for a few weeks and it kicks ass. It really disappoints me how people say to stack health and I see people rushing Warmog's/Mallet. It just turns you into Garen because your W is only good for KS and has an 18 second CD so you're not using it more than once in a fight anyway >.> If you use your Wit's build, you become just as tanky as the health stacking Volibears, except you actually do damage because his ult is OP. BTW have you thought about building a HoG after your Wriggle's for GP5? Also what runes do you use? I have been using: Attack speed reds, HP/lvl yellows, MR/lvl or attack speed blues, and armor quints.
My runes are aspeed/armor/mr,lvl,armpen.
I would only get a HoG after a recurve bow. I just find you need AS so damn bad on him. But you will want a HoG at some point- Randuinds is a great buy on him.
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the funniest part of that was that you could play at a decently high level with sub 100 apm on broodwar. By no means pro level but i was able to consistently hit B-/B on PGT. always hovered around 80-90 apm.
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What kills me is the first sentence:
It's not elitism when you want to preserve the continued success of your beloved, more challenging and stimulating game.
If somebody asks me from now on to define elitism in computer games I will just quote that. Absolutely priceless.
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United States47024 Posts
Once again, people refuse to disjoint the difficulty of the competition from the inherent difficulty of the game.
It's hilarious that someone can presume to know what "perfect play" is for a game that has existed for such a short period of time. Then again, people in 2003 thought they knew what "perfect play" in BW was, and would never conceive of the fact that someone could ever be as good as Flash is.
It's also hilarious that people can fault Riot for making their game "easy" when there are so many more legitimate things you can actually fault them for if you even have a passing familiarity with LoL's development history. Like how that PvP.net client is the worst client ever.
Related: have they fixed the bug where you can't see someone's ranked stats without tabbing over to another tab in their profile and tabbing back yet?
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Well, at least the LoL hating on TL has gone way down compared to a year ago or so (The BW people that now play LoL and tell the SC2ers to shut the fuck up probably help)
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On March 13 2012 01:40 TheYango wrote:
Once again, people refuse to disjoint the difficulty of the competition from the inherent difficulty of the game.
It's hilarious that someone can presume to know what "perfect play" is for a game that has existed for such a short period of time. Then again, people in 2003 thought they knew what "perfect play" in BW was, and would never conceive of the fact that someone could ever be as good as Flash is.
It's also hilarious that people can fault Riot for making their game "easy" when there are so many more legitimate things you can actually fault them for if you even have a passing familiarity with LoL's development history. Like how that PvP.net client is the worst client ever.
Related: have they fixed the bug where you can't see someone's ranked stats without tabbing over to another tab in their profile and tabbing back yet?
nope, you still have to go to recent games and then back to ranked stats.
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a worse problem is that multi kills are sometimes not getting recorded. ive had 2 quadras and 4 triples on twitch last week that didnt get recorded into my stats but i get the wins/kills.
go look on parkjaehyuk to see; i have a quadra in my match history but no quadras in my ranked stats.
actually zz nvm its not there anymore.
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On March 13 2012 01:10 BlueSpace wrote:What kills me is the first sentence: Show nested quote +It's not elitism when you want to preserve the continued success of your beloved, more challenging and stimulating game. If somebody asks me from now on to define elitism in computer games I will just quote that. Absolutely priceless.
That he bookends his first line with more of the same ridiculous ignorant bullshit is perfect though. There is just this common reduction of the entire MOBA genre down to 'if I had like 1 month to learn the hero skills and items I'd be pro.'
I have yet to see an SC2 pro stream LoL or DotA2 that didn't look mediocre at best, and some of them have a ton of games played. I'm sure they'd be quick to defend themselves as 'not trying' but that's the point, they act as if they shouldn't have to try because the game is so easy, then still suck.
Edit: I Think I found the blog T_D is referring to, and a person in there who 'is 1750 Elo'(aka that's his peak, probably even estimating up from like 1701), is claiming to have 'played it at a high level. I guess by % he's correct(1700 is like top 5%?) but clearly 1700s is not high level play(I'm not too familiar with SC2 ladder breakdowns, but that's like calling Diamond high level SC2 isn't it?).
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eh, always comes down to mechanical ability/skill is much easier to perceive than mental. gamesense, etc. too hidden =(
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I just saw a Nunu destroy a Fiora.
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Nunu destroys basically anyone who needs to autoattack top lane unless they have obscene amounts of Sustain.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:45 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 01:10 BlueSpace wrote:What kills me is the first sentence: It's not elitism when you want to preserve the continued success of your beloved, more challenging and stimulating game. If somebody asks me from now on to define elitism in computer games I will just quote that. Absolutely priceless. That he bookends his first line with more of the same ridiculous ignorant bullshit is perfect though. There is just this common reduction of the entire MOBA genre down to 'if I had like 1 month to learn the hero skills and items I'd be pro.' I have yet to see an SC2 pro stream LoL or DotA2 that didn't look mediocre at best, and some of them have a ton of games played. I'm sure they'd be quick to defend themselves as 'not trying' but that's the point, they act as if they shouldn't have to try because the game is so easy, then still suck. Edit: I Think I found the blog T_D is referring to, and a person in there who 'is 1750 Elo'(aka that's his peak, probably even estimating up from like 1701), is claiming to have 'played it at a high level. I guess by % he's correct(1700 is like top 5%?) but clearly 1700s is not high level play(I'm not too familiar with SC2 ladder breakdowns, but that's like calling Diamond high level SC2 isn't it?).
That sounds about right. Masters should be top 2% of active players.
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At the highest level, MOBA games are all about teamplay and positioning.
Those are not both skills you learn from Starcraft, and LoL positioning is not the same as SC2 positioning either.
That's why most sc2 pros are mediocre, Destiny sucks (teamplay, hahaha) and the thought that every random idiot could be a pro is so dominant: Because they could if they have a team they are in the flow with.
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On March 13 2012 02:45 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 01:10 BlueSpace wrote:What kills me is the first sentence: It's not elitism when you want to preserve the continued success of your beloved, more challenging and stimulating game. If somebody asks me from now on to define elitism in computer games I will just quote that. Absolutely priceless. That he bookends his first line with more of the same ridiculous ignorant bullshit is perfect though. There is just this common reduction of the entire MOBA genre down to 'if I had like 1 month to learn the hero skills and items I'd be pro.' I have yet to see an SC2 pro stream LoL or DotA2 that didn't look mediocre at best, and some of them have a ton of games played. I'm sure they'd be quick to defend themselves as 'not trying' but that's the point, they act as if they shouldn't have to try because the game is so easy, then still suck. Edit: I Think I found the blog T_D is referring to, and a person in there who 'is 1750 Elo'(aka that's his peak, probably even estimating up from like 1701), is claiming to have 'played it at a high level. I guess by % he's correct(1700 is like top 5%?) but clearly 1700s is not high level play(I'm not too familiar with SC2 ladder breakdowns, but that's like calling Diamond high level SC2 isn't it?).
Diamond and above is top 20%. Master is believed to be top 2%. But that is the reason why people don't take diamond serious. The skill gap in there is just to large.
I also have the feeling that your elo is fluctuating more strongly in lol when compared to SC2. All the other people enter as variables and since a single player throwing really hard can unbalance the entire match, you have these streaks, that can easily push your elo up and down by 100. I would also streak in SC2 but never as hard as in lol.
I also don't know if I would use the percentiles as comparison. High level play in lol is considered 2000+ and that is the equivalent to SC2 masters for me.
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On March 13 2012 03:01 JBright wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 02:45 red_ wrote:On March 13 2012 01:10 BlueSpace wrote:What kills me is the first sentence: It's not elitism when you want to preserve the continued success of your beloved, more challenging and stimulating game. If somebody asks me from now on to define elitism in computer games I will just quote that. Absolutely priceless. That he bookends his first line with more of the same ridiculous ignorant bullshit is perfect though. There is just this common reduction of the entire MOBA genre down to 'if I had like 1 month to learn the hero skills and items I'd be pro.' I have yet to see an SC2 pro stream LoL or DotA2 that didn't look mediocre at best, and some of them have a ton of games played. I'm sure they'd be quick to defend themselves as 'not trying' but that's the point, they act as if they shouldn't have to try because the game is so easy, then still suck. Edit: I Think I found the blog T_D is referring to, and a person in there who 'is 1750 Elo'(aka that's his peak, probably even estimating up from like 1701), is claiming to have 'played it at a high level. I guess by % he's correct(1700 is like top 5%?) but clearly 1700s is not high level play(I'm not too familiar with SC2 ladder breakdowns, but that's like calling Diamond high level SC2 isn't it?). That sounds about right. Masters should be top 2% of active players.
chaox is masters in sc2 iirc
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On March 13 2012 01:40 TheYango wrote:
Once again, people refuse to disjoint the difficulty of the competition from the inherent difficulty of the game.
It's hilarious that someone can presume to know what "perfect play" is for a game that has existed for such a short period of time. Then again, people in 2003 thought they knew what "perfect play" in BW was, and would never conceive of the fact that someone could ever be as good as Flash is.
It's also hilarious that people can fault Riot for making their game "easy" when there are so many more legitimate things you can actually fault them for if you even have a passing familiarity with LoL's development history. Like how that PvP.net client is the worst client ever.
Related: have they fixed the bug where you can't see someone's ranked stats without tabbing over to another tab in their profile and tabbing back yet?
The funny thing while these are all legitimate things to fault riot for, I'd argue the PVP.net client kicks the shit out of the SC2 client. Recently played list? Chat channels? non-ranked and ranked play? Name changes? Clan support?
SC2 would kill to have all of those features. Kind of Ironic, imo.
Also, how exactly is Nocturnes Spellshield supposed to work? is it supposed to eat CC and leave damage or the other way around? Is it suppposed to kill the entire spell? It seems kinda random to me... For example I spell shielded a Malz ult and didn't get surpressed, but still had malz channeling damage at me (ultimately killing me) despite the fact that I was like 3000 range away. That just... doesn't seem intended.
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Last season 1900 was the top .2% of lol players in the world.
And 1900 players still suck. Ive hit 1800 and I still cant play a laner to save my life.
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On March 13 2012 03:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
At the highest level, MOBA games are all about teamplay and positioning.
Those are not both skills you learn from Starcraft, and LoL positioning is not the same as SC2 positioning either.
That's why most sc2 pros are mediocre, Destiny sucks (teamplay, hahaha) and the thought that every random idiot could be a pro is so dominant: Because they could if they have a team they are in the flow with.
There's way more to it. Just because your single hero offers limited room for mechanical proficience it doesn't mean that LoL is all about coordination/positioning.
For "perfect" LoL play, you have to keep all the timers in your head. From Dragon, Baron and buffs over summoner spells, wards and ultimates and all the way down to every single spell every single hero in the game has. Properly adjusted by cooldown reduction and other crap.
This is by no means an easy task.
And that's just one aspect. Sure, it still doesn't require fast fingers, but I don't think anyone will argue that SC2 is better because it requires more muscle work.
On March 13 2012 03:15 iCanada wrote:
Also, how exactly is Nocturnes Spellshield supposed to work? is it supposed to eat CC and leave damage or the other way around? Is it suppposed to kill the entire spell? It seems kinda random to me... For example I spell shielded a Malz ult and didn't get surpressed, but still had malz channeling damage at me (ultimately killing me) despite the fact that I was like 3000 range away. That just... doesn't seem intended.
It is supposed to block the whole spell. You should try it again in a custom game and possibly report it.
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