[Patch 1.0.0.134: Nautilus] General Discussion - Page 98

On February 22 2012 05:10 BlackPaladin wrote:
With Ori you get to smack people around with HER balls.
With Ahri you get to be a slutty fox that charms people and acts like the village bike with how she's everywhere when she ults.

YOU DECIDE.

On February 22 2012 05:10 BlackPaladin wrote:
With Ori you get to smack people around with HER balls.
With Ahri you get to be a slutty fox that charms people and acts like the village bike with how she's everywhere when she ults.

YOU DECIDE.

On February 22 2012 05:31 Craton wrote:
Ahri is stronger in the hands of an average player, much easier to play, but also much more frequently banned. Ori is never banned, but rarely played due to difficulty and a relatively weak lane phase.

On February 22 2012 06:07 Doctorbeat wrote:
On the Olaf discussion, he has some changes in the current PBE( http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/29191/?p=1 ).

Patch notes:
Olaf

Axe Throw
Damage increased to 80-260 from 50-210
Scaling changed to +1.0 bonus AD from +0.5 total AD
Base cooldown reduced to 8 seconds from 10
Cooldown reduction for picking up the axe reduced to 4.5 seconds from 6
Ragnarok now provides 30/45/60 Armor and Magic Resist instead of 20/30/40 flat damage reduction

He'll probably be too strong in lane with those buffs. Note that it is the PBE, so changes may happen before the patch goes live.

On February 22 2012 06:10 Two_DoWn wrote:

Im 99% sure those are straight nerfs.

On February 22 2012 06:15 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
PBE patch notes:-
Madred's bloodrazor gives 40AD instead of 30.

Dunno why it gave 30 in the first place really. Pickaxe+razor=40.

On February 22 2012 06:15 Slayer91 wrote:
Didn't people do the math showing that it's a buff vs any hits > 120 ish and the axe thing is basically a straight buff except for max CDR when you instantly pick up the axe?

On February 22 2012 06:20 red_ wrote:
The axe change is most certainly a nerf if you aren't building +damage(and quite a bit of it).

On February 22 2012 06:16 Two_DoWn wrote:

Still costs too much to be viable IMO, especially considering its the only top tier damge item in the game that doesnt scale well.

On February 22 2012 06:07 Doctorbeat wrote:
On the Olaf discussion, he has some changes in the current PBE( http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/29191/?p=1 ).

Patch notes:
Olaf

Axe Throw
Damage increased to 80-260 from 50-210
Scaling changed to +1.0 bonus AD from +0.5 total AD
Base cooldown reduced to 8 seconds from 10
Cooldown reduction for picking up the axe reduced to 4.5 seconds from 6
Ragnarok now provides 30/45/60 Armor and Magic Resist instead of 20/30/40 flat damage reduction

He'll probably be too strong in lane with those buffs. Note that it is the PBE, so changes may happen before the patch goes live.

On February 22 2012 06:23 Seuss wrote:
The Q changes are buffs overall. Without bonus AD the difference in max rank Q damage at level 18 is 8.55. The worst case is if you're level 14 and maxing Q last, in which case you'll be down 21.55 damage without bonus AD. However, W in that "worst case" yields 52 bonus AD at that level, which ends up being more damage than before anyway.

The nerf is really to Olaf's ult. I covered that a page or two ago, but to reiterate Flat Reduction is super strong late game and against periodic/split damage (e.g. Malzahar, Cassiopeia, Swain, Talon etc.) while weaker early on and against huge burst. The change will buff Olaf's early game at the cost of his late game, and make him less of a hard counter to periodic damage.

On February 17 2012 11:30 TheYango wrote:
Regarding the change to Olaf's ultimate, there is the possibility for it being a buff, because of how flat reductions apply before armor/MR. Here are the damage amounts (before resists) against which the new Ragnarok breaks even with the old one, assuming the given amounts of prior armor/MR (at higher damage amounts, the new Ragnarok is better, and at lower ones, the old one is better):

50 armor/MR - 80/95/110 armor/MR with Ragnarok - provides 16.7%/23%/28.6% damage reduction - breakeven @ 120/130/140 damage
100 armor/MR - 130/145/160 armor/MR with Ragnarok - provides 13%/18.4%/23% damage reduction - breakeven @ 154/163/174 damage
150 armor/MR - 180/195/210 armor/MR with Ragnarok - provides 10.7%/15.3%/19.4% damage reduction - breakeven @ 187/197/207 damage
200 armor/MR - 230/245/260 armor/MR with Ragnarok - provides 9.09%/13%/16.7% damage reduction - breakeven @ 220/230/240 damage

Against spells, it's pretty much a straight buff, because spells pass those breakeven damage values very quickly. Against autoattacks, it's a bit trickier because it depends on how quickly you're developing your resists compared to enemy AD. I would guess that overall the change isn't meant to be a significant buff or nerf, but just meant to make buying Warmog's or Mallet (which leave you with comparatively low resists) feel nicer on him. It also makes the skill perform more reliably overall--the survivability buff is stronger than before in situations where you're not doing well relative to the enemy AD, and weaker than before in situations where you're doing well compared to the enemy AD.

On February 22 2012 06:27 Ryuu314 wrote:

I think it's the other way around. Buff to late game, nerf to early game. Flat reduction applies before resistances afaik. Reducing 40 damage from a 300 damage nuke/auto-attack is going to be less than the percentage reductions 60 armor/mr gives you.