EPT[Patch 1.0.0.134: Nautilus] General Discussion - Page 96
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
LOCO FIGHTING! http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzU0Nzk4NDMy.html | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:08 Xedat wrote: I hope this isn't a repost and this belongs here, its the game between MiG and CLG at the OGN invitationals...... LOCO FIGHTING! http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzU0Nzk4NDMy.html its uploaded by me, derp orginal post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302208¤tpage=7 someone posted it on reddit though | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:09 emucxg wrote: its uploaded by me, derp orginal post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302208¤tpage=7 someone posted it on reddit though Oh okay, my eternal gratitude belongs to you, I just found it at reddit. Thanks for uploading! | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 21 2012 23:20 Shikyo wrote: Eh I've never felt Olaf uses much mana. E is free and W is like no mana, the only thing using mana is Q and that's situational at best. As even with just a Frozen Heart you should be at full mana almost all the time, the pool's more than enough to last for a duration of a fight with Q spam Biggest thing is he does get mana starved in jungle early on pre wriggles. Of course, when I play him I just get wriggles and boots at the 7 minute mark. Blue+q=fastest wriggles on anyone. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
He's so stronk top. Also FH bad on him cause the entire Mana is wasted. Yes, wasted. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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rob.au
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:52 r.Evo wrote: So, why would you jungle Olaf? He's so stronk top. Also FH bad on him cause the entire Mana is wasted. Yes, wasted. Cuz he jungles faster than pretty much anyone, has a very strong 1v1, and slap a triforce on that mofo and you are gonna be able to 1v3. No joke. Only thing is I think I need to adjust my runes a bit- armpen/armor/mrlvl/flat mr might be the way to go because of how easy it is to get armor for him, but there really arent many good mr options (wits is good, but you cant 2nd buy it like on most people). Wriggles, zerks, Hog, Triforce as a core makes him VERY deadly. Essentially build him the same way you would jungleplank. Then enjoy the result. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:59 Two_DoWn wrote: Cuz he jungles faster than pretty much anyone, has a very strong 1v1, and slap a triforce on that mofo and you are gonna be able to 1v3. No joke. Only thing is I think I need to adjust my runes a bit- armpen/armor/mrlvl/flat mr might be the way to go because of how easy it is to get armor for him, but there really arent many good mr options (wits is good, but you cant 2nd buy it like on most people). Wriggles, zerks, Hog, Triforce as a core makes him VERY deadly. Essentially build him the same way you would jungleplank. Then enjoy the result. Wriggles, zerks, Hog, Triforce as a core makes him VERY dead. You're playing someone who gapcloses worse than Udyr as a glasscannon with less xp and farm than solo lanes. Apart from the fact that youre suggestion about 6k items as core from the jungle, same issue as with all the people throwing out Triforce Skarner as "core" build. Olaf clears slower than real AoE junglers. Olaf ganks weaker than real gankers. Basicly he's in a weird place junglewise that's leaving him behind atm. Solo top is a whole different story, but jungling him makes not much sense atm - there are just way stronger options available. Edit: IF I were to jungle him I'd run around the likes of Wriggles/Aegis/Shurelyas/Phage/Brutalizer - if you farm up a Triforce or other big damage items you'll get blown up, if you farm up big tank items you're ignorable. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On February 22 2012 01:23 r.Evo wrote: Wriggles, zerks, Hog, Triforce as a core makes him VERY dead. You're playing someone who gapcloses worse than Udyr as a glasscannon with less xp and farm than solo lanes. Apart from the fact that youre suggestion about 6k items as core from the jungle, same issue as with all the people throwing out Triforce Skarner as "core" build. Olaf clears slower than real AoE junglers. Olaf ganks weaker than real gankers. Basicly he's in a weird place junglewise that's leaving him behind atm. Solo top is a whole different story, but jungling him makes not much sense atm - there are just way stronger options available. If only his Q wasn't such a mana hog, and offered some other utility other than just a 25-50% slow (maybe an attack speed slow or a small flat armor reduction?). And his lack of scaling is another problem. W scaling with max HP is ok, but no scaling on E and really bad AD scaling on his Q limit his damage by a large amount. His passive is pretty neat and his ult is really nice for a engaging bruiser designed to be sort of an anticarry, kinda like Irelia. His E chunks pretty hard, and his W gives him ok sustain. Maybe if they buff him up for jungle a bit he'll be too strong in lane. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
If anything, that is not his problem. He's easily the same tier as Irelia or Nasus in that regard. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 22 2012 01:23 r.Evo wrote: Wriggles, zerks, Hog, Triforce as a core makes him VERY dead. You're playing someone who gapcloses worse than Udyr as a glasscannon with less xp and farm than solo lanes. Apart from the fact that youre suggestion about 6k items as core from the jungle, same issue as with all the people throwing out Triforce Skarner as "core" build. Olaf clears slower than real AoE junglers. Olaf ganks weaker than real gankers. Basicly he's in a weird place junglewise that's leaving him behind atm. Solo top is a whole different story, but jungling him makes not much sense atm - there are just way stronger options available. Edit: IF I were to jungle him I'd run around the likes of Wriggles/Aegis/Shurelyas/Phage/Brutalizer - if you farm up a Triforce or other big damage items you'll get blown up, if you farm up big tank items you're ignorable. Just try it. Olaf is the only jungle I have ever played where you outpace the respawns in the new jungle. An 8 minute wriggles and boots is a BAD game on him. No joke. Plus he has a better 1v1 than any of the aoe clearers save shyvana (who has her w and q to rape everyone's face in). His gank is actually pretty good. His axe is very long range, and very hard to miss. And if he hits you with an axe you will die. Another thing you are forgetting is that his dragon control is incredible. He can solo it at any time, without any help. As for the build- GP has less mitigation than Olaf does, less sustain in fights, and about equal steroids, yet HoG->tri is an acceptable core on him but not Olaf? Grab ghost, pop your ult, and go kill a carry. Its basically as simple as that. And slayers- I go zerks cuz I use them for farming. Mercs/tabi dont help you survive a fight cuz of your ult. Once its out your dead anyway, why not just get the maximum utility out of it. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Olaf is definitely one of the faster cleaers though, at least when you have blue buff. You can't get much faster than udyr/shyvana though, they can base and arrive in time for respawns as well. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On February 22 2012 01:42 Slayer91 wrote: I find it difficult to believe you can just dive a carry with that build, even with your ult it feels like they can just blow you up. I might try some olaf though, although I always tend to feed with him when I random him. Olaf is definitely one of the faster cleaers though, at least when you have blue buff. You can't get much faster than udyr/shyvana though, they can base and arrive in time for respawns as well. dunno about shyv, but olaf with blue def faster clearer than udyr, axe spam 2 stronk. Therein lies some of the problem tho, kus his jungle speed is so reliant on blue, and udyr clear without blue > olaf clear without blue. He's a great pick when u got some1 like vlad or kennen mid so u don't have to give up blue early on. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
What masteries for jungle olaf? I imagine you want MS and buff duration, but defense and offensive are both good on him. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Wriggles+hog+phage+ult is enough to keep you alive for the duration of his ult (trust me on this, it is). The choice from there is thus: I either A) build to maximize the damage I do while my ult is up, knowing that once its out I'm gonna die anyway or B) Do no damage, live a bit through my ult, but still do no damage. Basically, you can get the farm from the jungle to do 1 of 2 things: tank or damage. Olaf already has obscene damage mitigation, why bother itemizing it when you can just itemize damage and maximize your usefulness by diving through the enemy team and onto the carry. If they ignore you you kill every single person on their team. They focus you, you have enough mitigation to make them regret it, chew through all their stuns, and your team collects the kills after you die cuz your ult ran out. Slay- I run a standard 0-21-9 tanky jungle page. I go with SV version (ie none of the 17 point talents) | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 22 2012 01:23 r.Evo wrote: Wriggles, zerks, Hog, Triforce as a core makes him VERY dead. You're playing someone who gapcloses worse than Udyr as a glasscannon with less xp and farm than solo lanes. Apart from the fact that youre suggestion about 6k items as core from the jungle, same issue as with all the people throwing out Triforce Skarner as "core" build. Olaf clears slower than real AoE junglers. Olaf ganks weaker than real gankers. Basicly he's in a weird place junglewise that's leaving him behind atm. Solo top is a whole different story, but jungling him makes not much sense atm - there are just way stronger options available. Edit: IF I were to jungle him I'd run around the likes of Wriggles/Aegis/Shurelyas/Phage/Brutalizer - if you farm up a Triforce or other big damage items you'll get blown up, if you farm up big tank items you're ignorable. He forgot to say he bought Blink Dagger first. | ||
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