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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 17 2012 17:45 GMT
#1181
RoA if you're jungling is pretty bad in general. You get it late and it's not as effective as in lane. Aegis and HoG are better hp sources in the jungle.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 17 2012 17:49 GMT
#1182
HOW IS BEBE SO HIGH ELO, WTF!?

I have never seen bebe do anything but suck ass, how is he top 10!?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
February 17 2012 17:52 GMT
#1183
A lot of people would say that about me LOL
aka Teutonica
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 17 2012 17:52 GMT
#1184
As for "getting it late", would you consider it situationally if you got some really good ganks for kills/assists and had the extra gold? In that case, I wouldn't really want HoG, since I don't need the additional Gp5, I'd think.
It's your boy Guzma!
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 17 2012 17:55 GMT
#1185
Watching Salce play Ziggs, holy hell dem bombs :o
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 17 2012 17:56 GMT
#1186
On February 18 2012 02:52 Requizen wrote:
As for "getting it late", would you consider it situationally if you got some really good ganks for kills/assists and had the extra gold? In that case, I wouldn't really want HoG, since I don't need the additional Gp5, I'd think.

RoA seems... ok on him I guess. I dunno, he scales well off HP and his AP ratios aren't bad, but his mana pool is fucking crazy (1100 @ 18, wtf?) and as such I don't see why he would need the mana stat off RoA. Also just seems like he scales better off CDR and resists, so I'd be hesitant to invest that 3K+ in RoA, even if I had it.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#1187
I think I'd like RoA on him played top, but not in the jungle. As BP says, you get it late, and I'd much rather get CDR on him than HP/AP in this period of time, to get my shield up for each camp and anchor the fuck out of gankees.

Only game I played as top I started philo (for mana regen) into RoA, perhaps I could just get RoA first. I just don't like that idea of "no sustain till 1650" (factoring in boots but not pots/wards) on a melee champ, but I'm often wrong.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
February 17 2012 18:33 GMT
#1188
Remember that the %hp on his shield scales with resists and hp, while the non-scaling portion of his shield only scales with resists. In other words, resists first then hp.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 17 2012 18:42 GMT
#1189
haven't really played the new patch (midterms suck, yo )
but from what i've heard, i heard the new champ is like the new malphite?
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 17 2012 18:46 GMT
#1190
He's more of a Maokai/Blitzcrank style: powerful by himself, great burst early on which tends to fall off despite good ratios because you build tanky, highly disruptive, philo-HoG style jungler, awesome ganks.

He has a hook, shield, AoE slow, and his ult is kind of a delayed Malph ult I guess, since it knocks up everything in its path while it advances to the champ you targeted.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 17 2012 18:47 GMT
#1191
He also has one of the coolest designs in a while, imoimo.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
February 17 2012 18:55 GMT
#1192
On February 18 2012 03:33 Tooplark wrote:
(...) the non-scaling portion of his shield only scales (...)

hmmm...
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
February 17 2012 19:16 GMT
#1193
On February 18 2012 02:33 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 02:14 rwrzr wrote:
On February 18 2012 01:54 Shiv. wrote:
On February 18 2012 01:46 rwrzr wrote:
On February 18 2012 00:55 Vlanitak wrote:
Nautilus is the first champ I have had to activly cancel the attack animation on in order to get last hits. coz that animation is hella long


I find his anchor smash animation really funny so sometimes i don't bother canceling.

But you can cancel the animation really early which is awesome(I think the damage comes out right after he starts the swing )

Speaking of cancelling, WuKong's Q has to be one of the most awkward animations ever.


Best to just Q before E.

Nah, you'd miss out on a free auto. Didn't they change it so that all champions attempt to AA directly after a gapcloser? I'm 99% sure that applies for the monkey aswell. Sure, later on, it's not a big deal, but I'd argue the difference between having that AA or not having it can be pretty detrimental early game.

monkey will attempt to auto after E and then you can mix in a Q right after for a lot more damage but the Q is not guaranteed and sometimes you'll chase for it if you don't do it perfectly. makes for an easy first blood everytime though. Eauto Q repeat till they are low. lol kinda like gp or panth but a little stronger
BW -> League -> CSGO
Stealthpenguin
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland393 Posts
February 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#1194
Any thoughts on jungle Blitz? Seems kinda like Maokai with all that CC. I heard Snoopeh plays it but I've never seen it and I wasn't able to find any guides either.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 17 2012 19:26 GMT
#1195
Snoopeh did it a lot. I think I remember him going cloth+5 but this was old jungle (haven't seen it since revamp) and kinda worked off dinging 3 at wraith's if I remember right for a really fast grab and pop up gank at mid.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 19:26:39
February 17 2012 19:26 GMT
#1196
On February 18 2012 03:55 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 03:33 Tooplark wrote:
(...) the non-scaling portion of his shield only scales (...)

hmmm...


hey shut up it makes sense in context B[

For anyone needing clarification: the flat part of his shield will give him hp, which contributes to his survivability multiplicatively with armor/mr. The scaling part of his shield ALSO contributes multiplicatively with armor/mr, so in a sense it scales off both.
The intent is primarily to address a misconception that some people have, namely that buying flat health is better on champions with defensive abilities that scale off of %maxhp.


Also... has anyone tried spellvamp quint jungle morde?
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 17 2012 19:27 GMT
#1197
my only thoughts is that i dont like it. his gap closer being a skill shot while not the worst thing in the world is a shot in the foot compared to volibear, moakai etc etc. i know people are gonna say "skill shots are easy" but its still added difficulty.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 17 2012 19:27 GMT
#1198
On February 18 2012 04:16 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 02:33 Shiv. wrote:
On February 18 2012 02:14 rwrzr wrote:
On February 18 2012 01:54 Shiv. wrote:
On February 18 2012 01:46 rwrzr wrote:
On February 18 2012 00:55 Vlanitak wrote:
Nautilus is the first champ I have had to activly cancel the attack animation on in order to get last hits. coz that animation is hella long


I find his anchor smash animation really funny so sometimes i don't bother canceling.

But you can cancel the animation really early which is awesome(I think the damage comes out right after he starts the swing )

Speaking of cancelling, WuKong's Q has to be one of the most awkward animations ever.


Best to just Q before E.

Nah, you'd miss out on a free auto. Didn't they change it so that all champions attempt to AA directly after a gapcloser? I'm 99% sure that applies for the monkey aswell. Sure, later on, it's not a big deal, but I'd argue the difference between having that AA or not having it can be pretty detrimental early game.

monkey will attempt to auto after E and then you can mix in a Q right after for a lot more damage but the Q is not guaranteed and sometimes you'll chase for it if you don't do it perfectly. makes for an easy first blood everytime though. Eauto Q repeat till they are low. lol kinda like gp or panth but a little stronger

If you can get in range you absolutely should auto > Q > auto > E > auto. Q gives them a massive armour debuff and E is a physical damage nuke so doing it that way gets you a lot more damage. If you can't get in range then E first is what you do, but Q first is much more damage. I think if we want to talk about wukong more tho it should probably go in the champ thread.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#1199
Philo + HoG is almost always going to be better than Catalyst for junglers. Catalyst is 300g cheaper, but it only takes 5 minutes for double gp10 to make up for that.

The other side of it is that Catalyst only builds into items with direct personal benefit (RoA, BV). Most junglers who build double gp10 are very team-oriented, and items that reflect that are preferable.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 17 2012 19:33 GMT
#1200
Seen jungle chogath on snoopeh and sv's stream now. Becoming more popular it seems.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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