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The Lux thread hasn't been updated in a year, can I start a new one?
What's wrong with using shift to smart cast? It allows you to pick and choose when you want to smart cast, and you don't have to change the settings when changing champs.
That defeats the entire purpose of smart-cast, which is to minimize the number of clicks for activating an ability.
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Is it necessary to get that aggressive, T_D? I mean I don't mind people disagreeing, on the contrary, but you aren't out to fight each other either.:/
I smartcast all the point'n'click stuff, and the spells that I need to be able to cast in a hurry (Viktor's ult to interrupt with the silence, Janna's tornado to peel a bruiser using a gap-closer, etc.), and I usually keep the rest on regular cast (including spells like Lux's E, Gragas's Q, Morgana's Q and W) to have more precision during laning.
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LOL, as if that ~60 mana a minute is going to solve all your problems. You just can't spam before blue buff.
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On February 24 2012 01:00 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 00:56 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya woony thats basically what I was assuming. Ryze's q is just SO MUCH FING MANA early on. Its really hard to trade with anyone because you just dont have enough of a mana pool or regen to keep it up. Starting sapphire crystal I got 538 mana at lvl 1 and around 600 at lvl 2, I also got the mp5 mastery. I lasthit with Q at lvl 1-2 the ones I can't auto because of the aspd, and depending on the matchup I start harrassing at lvl 3. Usually my mana's at full and it's nearly 700 mana, and the standard harassing combo of QWQ is extremely easy to do many many times. Against Veigar with ap/lvl blues, for instance, you can drop a third of his hp with that and can do it multiple times, straight from lvl 3. He can't trade vs that. I even run mana/lvl runes, if you run flat mana runes you should be far more powerful. Yeah if you start boots you reduce 200 mana from that but either way it should be enough to harrass from lvl 3. If not, at least from lvl 5 when imo is Ryze's primetime to harrass(before the opponent has ult) If you're going in close enough to land a W you're also going to draw creep aggro
Doesn't matter as it's just a second. Most people can't outrange Q either, Veigar included so a free hit is not a bad thing to get off.
On February 24 2012 01:00 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 00:56 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya woony thats basically what I was assuming. Ryze's q is just SO MUCH FING MANA early on. Its really hard to trade with anyone because you just dont have enough of a mana pool or regen to keep it up. Starting sapphire crystal Really? REALLY? No boots is asking to get dumped on.
Yeah, it depends on the matchup. That's just to say how much mana you have, not that you should start with that... Read the post again.
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On February 24 2012 00:11 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 23:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 23 2012 23:38 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 23 2012 23:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful. Neither are even a threat until Ryze has Tear and Cata and if they're even slightly scary he can go straight negatron cloak without it affecting his build. Talk about early weak laners.
Ryze with blue could give a crap about pushers. Cass and Brand fair well but they don't outright crush him in lane. In no world do morg and grag beat Ryze. Sion is iffy I haven't seen enough of the matchup, but most of what I see is Sion's beating on creeps to get them into one shot with shield range and, well, Ryze w outranges Sion stun so he can just unload and pop the shield.
You didn't even list champs that I think actually give him huge problems besides Cassio (Xerath, Ziggs and Anivia with blue) Is this the point where I facepalm and need to explain to you that Xerath, Ziggs, and Anivia all fit into the categories that I listed? And its not really an "I think kass and LB beat ryze." Assassins beat Ryze. The most common counterpick for Jiji when an enemy picks Ryze against CLG is Viegar. And you got it backwards. It isnt the items Ryze has that scares him, its at what point do they hit level 6 and just KILL you. You're talking about 2.3k worth of gold investment, plus another 350 gold for boots, and Im assuming another 300 in wards and pots. That puts you at just under 3k gold as your needed CORE on Ryze. At what point are you getting a Negatron and not just ceding that the fact you just set yourself back 740 gold was, uuuuh, KIND OF REALIZING THEY COUNTER YOU. And its good to know that early laning phase means you get blue at level 1 to deal with heavy pushers. Come back at 7:20 when you will ACTUALLY get a blue buff. Which, last I checked, WAS NOT EARLY LANING. You so viciously skirted everything I said that I don't know if I should continue. Like making up the bullshit about getting blue at level 1. My point was, all of these "pushers" don't push lane that hard early on, and if they go all out to do it they run out of mana fast and are easy ganks (being an easy gank against even level 2 ryze is dangerous). You just argued that every common AP mid in the game besides like Karthus straight up beats Ryze in lane when that's not true at all. K we gonna play a little game. Its a bit advanced, and it might be too complex for you, but I am going to try to introduce the idea of a "power curve." A "power curve" is how strong a champ is relative to time in the game, usually measured in level, itemization, or both. Kog'Maw has a very high power curve. He starts off very weak but as the game goes on he turns into one of the strongest characters in the game. Leblanc has a flatter power curve. She starts off very strong, but as the game goes on she doesnt gain as much power because the nature of the game changes and it becomes harder for her to do her thing. Now, when we apply the concept of a "power curve" to Ryze, something shocking (to you, not anyone who actually knows how this game works) happens. We begin to see that, yes, when compared to other champions in the same role, he is in fact WEAKER than them at early levels because of his mana and damage constraints, as well as his lack of AOE. This continues to level 4-5, when most pushers gain the ability to wipe the wave with their clear. He still hasnt gained enough damage or mana regen to reliably harass them or clear the wave effectivly. Come level 6, he is STILL behind on the "power curve" because he doesnt gain a whole lot from his ultimate when it comes to helping his laning, and CERTAINLY not as much as Viegar, Kass, Cass, Annie, Gragas, Xerath, Brand, Vlad, and, well, pretty much every other mage. But where Ryze really picks up ground on the "power curve" is when he starts to get items (which, as I have already pointed out, are pretty damn expensive.) That means that you start to pick up steam LATER than most ap carries, however due to the nature of Ryze's "power curve" he becomes stronger the longer the game goes and has a "power curve" that exceeds most other mids as the game goes on. But no, Ryze is a very weak early laner. Its pretty much well documented by everyone who isnt you.
You sicken me. All you do is insult people and belittle them for having the slightest inkling of a different opinion.
My point is that levels 1-3 aren't that big a deal and is not something to base a counter around. Your resposne is to treat me like a child.
Also, what, his ultimate doesn't help him with laning? It's got an effectively insanely short cooldown and completely negates his weaknesses to hard lane pushers. If ryze was so desperately weak and easy to counter then he wouldn't be a top ban and conversely a abundantly frequent first pick in almost every tourney game. He's INCREDIBLY safe, all his counters are people who, uh, at worst make him last hit under tower for a wave or two pre 4-5? I think you're really stretching what the definition of counter is. None of these champs flat out beat Ryze. They bully him for 3 levels and then he gets his first buy and he's fine if not better? Those aren't counters. Any decent Ryze player isn't angry or going on tilt just because they picked any of these dudes you named besides the actual small number of REAL counters who have his number through the entire lane phase.
On February 24 2012 01:00 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 00:56 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya woony thats basically what I was assuming. Ryze's q is just SO MUCH FING MANA early on. Its really hard to trade with anyone because you just dont have enough of a mana pool or regen to keep it up. Starting sapphire crystal Really? REALLY? No boots is asking to get dumped on.
Depends on the matchup. If you're against someone who has nothing you need to dodge or maneuver around from (Kassadin for instance) then there's no reason to go boots. Most mids have a skillshot worth dodging though so you do usually get boots.
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"Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful"
"Like making up the bullshit about getting blue at level 1"
You started this game, not me.
And ya, sorry Shik, I just saw "starting saphire crystal" and stopped there. Even in matchups where you can get away without boots cuz the lane opponent is weaker boots are just all around a better option because they let you do more things. Its a lot easier to just accept the fact that you arent gonna be able to do a whole lot before the first blue buff than to try to gimp yourself hard in one area to try to do a tiny of extra damage. I can come up with many more reasons why you should run boots even against a weaker lane than why you should run a saphire crystal.
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On February 24 2012 01:15 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:00 Woony wrote:On February 24 2012 00:56 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya woony thats basically what I was assuming. Ryze's q is just SO MUCH FING MANA early on. Its really hard to trade with anyone because you just dont have enough of a mana pool or regen to keep it up. Starting sapphire crystal I got 538 mana at lvl 1 and around 600 at lvl 2, I also got the mp5 mastery. I lasthit with Q at lvl 1-2 the ones I can't auto because of the aspd, and depending on the matchup I start harrassing at lvl 3. Usually my mana's at full and it's nearly 700 mana, and the standard harassing combo of QWQ is extremely easy to do many many times. Against Veigar with ap/lvl blues, for instance, you can drop a third of his hp with that and can do it multiple times, straight from lvl 3. He can't trade vs that. I even run mana/lvl runes, if you run flat mana runes you should be far more powerful. Yeah if you start boots you reduce 200 mana from that but either way it should be enough to harrass from lvl 3. If not, at least from lvl 5 when imo is Ryze's primetime to harrass(before the opponent has ult) If you're going in close enough to land a W you're also going to draw creep aggro Doesn't matter as it's just a second. Most people can't outrange Q either, Veigar included so a free hit is not a good thing to get off.
Wait, what?
1) Ryze's spells don't draw Minion aggro.
2) Drawing minion aggro "for just a second" potentially costs you ~60 HP, which does matter at early levels.
3) A free hit is not a good thing to get off? Huh?
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On February 24 2012 01:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 00:11 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 23 2012 23:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 23 2012 23:38 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 23 2012 23:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful. Neither are even a threat until Ryze has Tear and Cata and if they're even slightly scary he can go straight negatron cloak without it affecting his build. Talk about early weak laners.
Ryze with blue could give a crap about pushers. Cass and Brand fair well but they don't outright crush him in lane. In no world do morg and grag beat Ryze. Sion is iffy I haven't seen enough of the matchup, but most of what I see is Sion's beating on creeps to get them into one shot with shield range and, well, Ryze w outranges Sion stun so he can just unload and pop the shield.
You didn't even list champs that I think actually give him huge problems besides Cassio (Xerath, Ziggs and Anivia with blue) Is this the point where I facepalm and need to explain to you that Xerath, Ziggs, and Anivia all fit into the categories that I listed? And its not really an "I think kass and LB beat ryze." Assassins beat Ryze. The most common counterpick for Jiji when an enemy picks Ryze against CLG is Viegar. And you got it backwards. It isnt the items Ryze has that scares him, its at what point do they hit level 6 and just KILL you. You're talking about 2.3k worth of gold investment, plus another 350 gold for boots, and Im assuming another 300 in wards and pots. That puts you at just under 3k gold as your needed CORE on Ryze. At what point are you getting a Negatron and not just ceding that the fact you just set yourself back 740 gold was, uuuuh, KIND OF REALIZING THEY COUNTER YOU. And its good to know that early laning phase means you get blue at level 1 to deal with heavy pushers. Come back at 7:20 when you will ACTUALLY get a blue buff. Which, last I checked, WAS NOT EARLY LANING. You so viciously skirted everything I said that I don't know if I should continue. Like making up the bullshit about getting blue at level 1. My point was, all of these "pushers" don't push lane that hard early on, and if they go all out to do it they run out of mana fast and are easy ganks (being an easy gank against even level 2 ryze is dangerous). You just argued that every common AP mid in the game besides like Karthus straight up beats Ryze in lane when that's not true at all. K we gonna play a little game. Its a bit advanced, and it might be too complex for you, but I am going to try to introduce the idea of a "power curve." A "power curve" is how strong a champ is relative to time in the game, usually measured in level, itemization, or both. Kog'Maw has a very high power curve. He starts off very weak but as the game goes on he turns into one of the strongest characters in the game. Leblanc has a flatter power curve. She starts off very strong, but as the game goes on she doesnt gain as much power because the nature of the game changes and it becomes harder for her to do her thing. Now, when we apply the concept of a "power curve" to Ryze, something shocking (to you, not anyone who actually knows how this game works) happens. We begin to see that, yes, when compared to other champions in the same role, he is in fact WEAKER than them at early levels because of his mana and damage constraints, as well as his lack of AOE. This continues to level 4-5, when most pushers gain the ability to wipe the wave with their clear. He still hasnt gained enough damage or mana regen to reliably harass them or clear the wave effectivly. Come level 6, he is STILL behind on the "power curve" because he doesnt gain a whole lot from his ultimate when it comes to helping his laning, and CERTAINLY not as much as Viegar, Kass, Cass, Annie, Gragas, Xerath, Brand, Vlad, and, well, pretty much every other mage. But where Ryze really picks up ground on the "power curve" is when he starts to get items (which, as I have already pointed out, are pretty damn expensive.) That means that you start to pick up steam LATER than most ap carries, however due to the nature of Ryze's "power curve" he becomes stronger the longer the game goes and has a "power curve" that exceeds most other mids as the game goes on. But no, Ryze is a very weak early laner. Its pretty much well documented by everyone who isnt you. You sicken me. All you do is insult people and belittle them for having the slightest inkling of a different opinion. My point is that levels 1-3 aren't that big a deal and is not something to base a counter around. Your resposne is to treat me like a child. Also, what, his ultimate doesn't help him with laning? It's got an effectively insanely short cooldown and completely negates his weaknesses to hard lane pushers. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:00 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 24 2012 00:56 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya woony thats basically what I was assuming. Ryze's q is just SO MUCH FING MANA early on. Its really hard to trade with anyone because you just dont have enough of a mana pool or regen to keep it up. Starting sapphire crystal Really? REALLY? No boots is asking to get dumped on. Depends on the matchup. If you're against someone who has nothing you need to dodge or maneuver around from (Kassadin for instance) then there's no reason to go boots. Most mids have a skillshot worth dodging though so you do usually get boots.
All YOU did was start an argument with ''Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful.'' and then stop responding the T_Ds points (who he might have brought up a bit aggressively, but that doesn't mean they're not valid.) How's that any better?
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On February 24 2012 01:22 Two_DoWn wrote:
"Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful"
"Like making up the bullshit about getting blue at level 1"
You started this game, not me.
And ya, sorry Shik, I just saw "starting saphire crystal" and stopped there. Even in matchups where you can get away without boots cuz the lane opponent is weaker boots are just all around a better option because they let you do more things. Its a lot easier to just accept the fact that you arent gonna be able to do a whole lot before the first blue buff than to try to gimp yourself hard in one area to try to do a tiny of extra damage.
You can say kass and LB counter ryzes early game, but surely there are better champs for that? LB and Kass get owned hard in teamfights by ryze because his prison basically screws over their escape mechanism and he's pretty tanky if he manages to get any kind of farm so they can't combo him effectively.
I can understand him having trouble early game, but that's true on a lot of ryze match ups.
I mean, it's pretty easy to punish a super agressive kass/lb in lane with jungle ganks with a ryze prison as well.
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On February 24 2012 01:22 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:15 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 01:00 Woony wrote:On February 24 2012 00:56 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya woony thats basically what I was assuming. Ryze's q is just SO MUCH FING MANA early on. Its really hard to trade with anyone because you just dont have enough of a mana pool or regen to keep it up. Starting sapphire crystal I got 538 mana at lvl 1 and around 600 at lvl 2, I also got the mp5 mastery. I lasthit with Q at lvl 1-2 the ones I can't auto because of the aspd, and depending on the matchup I start harrassing at lvl 3. Usually my mana's at full and it's nearly 700 mana, and the standard harassing combo of QWQ is extremely easy to do many many times. Against Veigar with ap/lvl blues, for instance, you can drop a third of his hp with that and can do it multiple times, straight from lvl 3. He can't trade vs that. I even run mana/lvl runes, if you run flat mana runes you should be far more powerful. Yeah if you start boots you reduce 200 mana from that but either way it should be enough to harrass from lvl 3. If not, at least from lvl 5 when imo is Ryze's primetime to harrass(before the opponent has ult) If you're going in close enough to land a W you're also going to draw creep aggro Doesn't matter as it's just a second. Most people can't outrange Q either, Veigar included so a free hit is not a good thing to get off. Wait, what? 1) Ryze's spells don't draw Minion aggro. 2) Drawing minion aggro "for just a second" potentially costs you ~60 HP, which does matter at early levels. 3) A free hit is not a good thing to get off? Huh?
I fixed that typo 4 minutes before your quote?
No idea about them drawing minion aggro, but as he said so I assumed they did o_O I've never had issues with it and it's never made me lose a ton of hp so I doubt it's a big deal you know.
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On February 24 2012 01:23 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 24 2012 00:11 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 23 2012 23:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 23 2012 23:38 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 23 2012 23:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful. Neither are even a threat until Ryze has Tear and Cata and if they're even slightly scary he can go straight negatron cloak without it affecting his build. Talk about early weak laners.
Ryze with blue could give a crap about pushers. Cass and Brand fair well but they don't outright crush him in lane. In no world do morg and grag beat Ryze. Sion is iffy I haven't seen enough of the matchup, but most of what I see is Sion's beating on creeps to get them into one shot with shield range and, well, Ryze w outranges Sion stun so he can just unload and pop the shield.
You didn't even list champs that I think actually give him huge problems besides Cassio (Xerath, Ziggs and Anivia with blue) Is this the point where I facepalm and need to explain to you that Xerath, Ziggs, and Anivia all fit into the categories that I listed? And its not really an "I think kass and LB beat ryze." Assassins beat Ryze. The most common counterpick for Jiji when an enemy picks Ryze against CLG is Viegar. And you got it backwards. It isnt the items Ryze has that scares him, its at what point do they hit level 6 and just KILL you. You're talking about 2.3k worth of gold investment, plus another 350 gold for boots, and Im assuming another 300 in wards and pots. That puts you at just under 3k gold as your needed CORE on Ryze. At what point are you getting a Negatron and not just ceding that the fact you just set yourself back 740 gold was, uuuuh, KIND OF REALIZING THEY COUNTER YOU. And its good to know that early laning phase means you get blue at level 1 to deal with heavy pushers. Come back at 7:20 when you will ACTUALLY get a blue buff. Which, last I checked, WAS NOT EARLY LANING. You so viciously skirted everything I said that I don't know if I should continue. Like making up the bullshit about getting blue at level 1. My point was, all of these "pushers" don't push lane that hard early on, and if they go all out to do it they run out of mana fast and are easy ganks (being an easy gank against even level 2 ryze is dangerous). You just argued that every common AP mid in the game besides like Karthus straight up beats Ryze in lane when that's not true at all. K we gonna play a little game. Its a bit advanced, and it might be too complex for you, but I am going to try to introduce the idea of a "power curve." A "power curve" is how strong a champ is relative to time in the game, usually measured in level, itemization, or both. Kog'Maw has a very high power curve. He starts off very weak but as the game goes on he turns into one of the strongest characters in the game. Leblanc has a flatter power curve. She starts off very strong, but as the game goes on she doesnt gain as much power because the nature of the game changes and it becomes harder for her to do her thing. Now, when we apply the concept of a "power curve" to Ryze, something shocking (to you, not anyone who actually knows how this game works) happens. We begin to see that, yes, when compared to other champions in the same role, he is in fact WEAKER than them at early levels because of his mana and damage constraints, as well as his lack of AOE. This continues to level 4-5, when most pushers gain the ability to wipe the wave with their clear. He still hasnt gained enough damage or mana regen to reliably harass them or clear the wave effectivly. Come level 6, he is STILL behind on the "power curve" because he doesnt gain a whole lot from his ultimate when it comes to helping his laning, and CERTAINLY not as much as Viegar, Kass, Cass, Annie, Gragas, Xerath, Brand, Vlad, and, well, pretty much every other mage. But where Ryze really picks up ground on the "power curve" is when he starts to get items (which, as I have already pointed out, are pretty damn expensive.) That means that you start to pick up steam LATER than most ap carries, however due to the nature of Ryze's "power curve" he becomes stronger the longer the game goes and has a "power curve" that exceeds most other mids as the game goes on. But no, Ryze is a very weak early laner. Its pretty much well documented by everyone who isnt you. You sicken me. All you do is insult people and belittle them for having the slightest inkling of a different opinion. My point is that levels 1-3 aren't that big a deal and is not something to base a counter around. Your resposne is to treat me like a child. Also, what, his ultimate doesn't help him with laning? It's got an effectively insanely short cooldown and completely negates his weaknesses to hard lane pushers. On February 24 2012 01:00 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 24 2012 00:56 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya woony thats basically what I was assuming. Ryze's q is just SO MUCH FING MANA early on. Its really hard to trade with anyone because you just dont have enough of a mana pool or regen to keep it up. Starting sapphire crystal Really? REALLY? No boots is asking to get dumped on. Depends on the matchup. If you're against someone who has nothing you need to dodge or maneuver around from (Kassadin for instance) then there's no reason to go boots. Most mids have a skillshot worth dodging though so you do usually get boots. All YOU did was start an argument with ''Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful.'' and then stop responding the T_Ds points (who he might have brought up a bit aggressively, but that doesn't mean they're not valid.) How's that any better?
No, I mocked a point I thought was ludicrous (Ryze losing to Kassadin). He brought up an entirely unrelated lesson on basic understanding(here's how power curves work!). He can mock my points but not me.
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On February 24 2012 01:24 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:22 Two_DoWn wrote:
"Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful"
"Like making up the bullshit about getting blue at level 1"
You started this game, not me.
And ya, sorry Shik, I just saw "starting saphire crystal" and stopped there. Even in matchups where you can get away without boots cuz the lane opponent is weaker boots are just all around a better option because they let you do more things. Its a lot easier to just accept the fact that you arent gonna be able to do a whole lot before the first blue buff than to try to gimp yourself hard in one area to try to do a tiny of extra damage. You can say kass and LB counter ryzes early game, but surely there are better champs for that? LB and Kass get owned hard in teamfights by ryze because his prison basically screws over their escape mechanism and he's pretty tanky if he manages to get any kind of farm so they can't combo him effectively. I can understand him having trouble early game, but that's true on a lot of ryze match ups. I mean, it's pretty easy to punish a super agressive kass/lb in lane with jungle ganks with a ryze prison as well.
Yar, late game ryze is better. But the point of my argument was that there are a lot of champs that screw Ryze over early on, and those are 2 of them. But as you say, Ryze has a lot of bad matchups early on so there are more effective late game choices to pick against him.
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On February 24 2012 01:12 ManyCookies wrote:The Lux thread hasn't been updated in a year, can I start a new one? Show nested quote +
What's wrong with using shift to smart cast? It allows you to pick and choose when you want to smart cast, and you don't have to change the settings when changing champs.
That defeats the entire purpose of smart-cast, which is to minimize the number of clicks for activating an ability.
Its not that hard to hit shift and qwer unless you're positioning your hand so your pinky is on your q in which case you're only going to have 3 fingers to cover 4 buttons, if you include the summoners and 6 item slots each finger has to cover 4 buttons. If you can use your pinkie finger then each finger is covering 3 keys. I see what you're saying but this game probably only requires 2 fingers covering 6 keys each. That's assuming you never hit tab ever, p to open the shop, l to change healthbars, the f keys to target allies, alt for self casting, crtl for leveling up spells, and everything else im forgetting...
EDIT: The real question I have which will improve my game over 100% is what will cause me to draw minion aggro and what will not draw minion aggro?
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On February 24 2012 01:22 Two_DoWn wrote:
"Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful"
"Like making up the bullshit about getting blue at level 1"
You started this game, not me.
And ya, sorry Shik, I just saw "starting saphire crystal" and stopped there. Even in matchups where you can get away without boots cuz the lane opponent is weaker boots are just all around a better option because they let you do more things. Its a lot easier to just accept the fact that you arent gonna be able to do a whole lot before the first blue buff than to try to gimp yourself hard in one area to try to do a tiny of extra damage. I can come up with many more reasons why you should run boots even against a weaker lane than why you should run a saphire crystal.
Sapphire isn't common but there are definitely situations that call for it. You need the extra mana and damage to pop Sion shields and the boots don't give you much value vs him before your first buy because there's nothing to dodge or skirt around and he can't engage on you (your snare is higher range than his stun). Or against a weak laner who you think you can kill with a little jungle coordination and you want the damage for the gank itself and the pre gank harrassment. There's probably some more but those are two obvious ones I can think of.
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On February 24 2012 01:24 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:22 spinesheath wrote:On February 24 2012 01:15 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 01:00 Woony wrote:On February 24 2012 00:56 Shikyo wrote:On February 24 2012 00:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya woony thats basically what I was assuming. Ryze's q is just SO MUCH FING MANA early on. Its really hard to trade with anyone because you just dont have enough of a mana pool or regen to keep it up. Starting sapphire crystal I got 538 mana at lvl 1 and around 600 at lvl 2, I also got the mp5 mastery. I lasthit with Q at lvl 1-2 the ones I can't auto because of the aspd, and depending on the matchup I start harrassing at lvl 3. Usually my mana's at full and it's nearly 700 mana, and the standard harassing combo of QWQ is extremely easy to do many many times. Against Veigar with ap/lvl blues, for instance, you can drop a third of his hp with that and can do it multiple times, straight from lvl 3. He can't trade vs that. I even run mana/lvl runes, if you run flat mana runes you should be far more powerful. Yeah if you start boots you reduce 200 mana from that but either way it should be enough to harrass from lvl 3. If not, at least from lvl 5 when imo is Ryze's primetime to harrass(before the opponent has ult) If you're going in close enough to land a W you're also going to draw creep aggro Doesn't matter as it's just a second. Most people can't outrange Q either, Veigar included so a free hit is not a good thing to get off. Wait, what? 1) Ryze's spells don't draw Minion aggro. 2) Drawing minion aggro "for just a second" potentially costs you ~60 HP, which does matter at early levels. 3) A free hit is not a good thing to get off? Huh? I fixed that typo 4 minutes before your quote? No idea about them drawing minion aggro, but as he said so I assumed they did o_O I've never had issues with it and it's never made me lose a ton of hp so I doubt it's a big deal you know.
Only autoattacks and spells that count as autoattacks (<=> those which apply on-hit effects) draw minion aggro.
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On February 24 2012 01:27 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:24 Slayer91 wrote:On February 24 2012 01:22 Two_DoWn wrote:
"Ahaha you think Kass and LB beat Ryze. That's just wonderful"
"Like making up the bullshit about getting blue at level 1"
You started this game, not me.
And ya, sorry Shik, I just saw "starting saphire crystal" and stopped there. Even in matchups where you can get away without boots cuz the lane opponent is weaker boots are just all around a better option because they let you do more things. Its a lot easier to just accept the fact that you arent gonna be able to do a whole lot before the first blue buff than to try to gimp yourself hard in one area to try to do a tiny of extra damage. You can say kass and LB counter ryzes early game, but surely there are better champs for that? LB and Kass get owned hard in teamfights by ryze because his prison basically screws over their escape mechanism and he's pretty tanky if he manages to get any kind of farm so they can't combo him effectively. I can understand him having trouble early game, but that's true on a lot of ryze match ups. I mean, it's pretty easy to punish a super agressive kass/lb in lane with jungle ganks with a ryze prison as well. Yar, late game ryze is better. But the point of my argument was that there are a lot of champs that screw Ryze over early on, and those are 2 of them. But as you say, Ryze has a lot of bad matchups early on so there are more effective late game choices to pick against him.
Maybe you two just have different definitions of a weak early laner?
TwoTone: Weak = Gets ganked easily early in lane
TwoDown: Weak = Gets pushed to tower easily and has to farm there
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On February 24 2012 01:28 Sabin010 wrote:
EDIT: The real question I have which will improve my game over 100% is what will cause me to draw minion aggro and what will not draw minion aggro?
Auto attacks. And I think stuff like GP Parley that applies onhits like an auto attack?
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Sapphire gives more mana = I don't need to manage mana = awesome, hehehhe.
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vlad beat everyone huehuhue
also RIP my sweet three dog
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If you can waltz up to a veigar to harass him when you open crystal (310 movespeed) vs veigar with boots (365 movespeed) then something ain't right.
And jungler comes to say hi to your 310 movespeed :\
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