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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On February 22 2012 17:21 snowbird wrote: Yellow is now a coach for the ZeNEX LOL team: http://news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=general&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=347&article_id=0000018716 King and Kong, together in some sort of cosmic equilibrium. Good luck to the both of them. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On February 22 2012 17:48 Lorken wrote: Why don't more people get Executioner's blade? It gives such incredible stats for relatively cheap. I'd say it's better than wriggle's even with the free ward. I dont think you realise how valuable vision is. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
just stats for money. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On February 22 2012 17:48 Lorken wrote: Why don't more people get Executioner's blade? It gives such incredible stats for relatively cheap. I'd say it's better than wriggle's even with the free ward. Better than wriggles? If talking top lane, most of the time the armour on wriggles will be very usefull, the ad on wriggles gives you a bit more sustain and the ward lets you pretty much never get ganked. Exec calling just gives you some lifesteal, and crit. The healing reduction is pretty negligible vs most champs and there's no ward that lets you safely farm top. You could get it on GP, but anyone else I'd rather have wriggles. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 22 2012 17:59 UniversalSnip wrote: it's significantly less efficient than dblades or wriggles. just stats for money. Pretty much this--not to mention the fact that AD and Armor are more useful stats to have at low levels than crit. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 22 2012 17:48 Lorken wrote: Why don't more people get Executioner's blade? It gives such incredible stats for relatively cheap. I'd say it's better than wriggle's even with the free ward. Yeah, I think it is pretty good especially in certain matchups. I think you should definitely buy it anytime you laining against a champions like WW/Vlad/Swain/volibear. I think wriggles is about the same as Exec, difference is Wriggles more defensive and exec more offensive. The defensive stats better in the jungle imo, and also in most top matchups. I think the big reason is because people can't built it into something else later, but realistically you can't do the same with Wriggles either... plus the amount you save lets you get 4 wards anyway, and past the 15-20 minute mark everything warded for the most part anyway. I guess the one real disadvantage is that you lose out on an item slot if for wards with Executioners Calling so Wriggles lasts a little longer into the game because you don't need a slot for wards. I definitely agree though, it is a good item. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On February 22 2012 18:08 iCanada wrote: Yeah, I think it is pretty good especially in certain matchups. I think you should definitely buy it anytime you laining against a champions like WW/Vlad/Swain/volibear. I think wriggles is about the same as Exec It isn't, exec is pretty much straight up the value of basic items and wriggles is considerably better than that. wriggles +272 gold value plus special benefits (the ward and proc) calling +16 gold value plus special benefits (healing debuff and the single worst damage ability in the game) | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 22 2012 18:24 UniversalSnip wrote: It isn't, exec is pretty much straight up the value of basic items and wriggles is considerably better than that. wriggles +272 gold value plus special benefits (the ward and proc) calling +16 gold value plus special benefits (healing debuff and the single worst damage ability in the game) Oh, I know. I meant I feel it has the same value in that it is way better in matchups against really high sustain champions. My bad, that was unclear. Laning against WW? Spam that active all day erry day. <3 | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 22 2012 18:56 Zdrastochye wrote: No, it's really not a great item. Items with niche uses are just that, exe being part of that, like haunting guise. You can't just get it and be like "kay I now counter that Swain whenever he ults with my active." I'll never build it unless somehow I ended up on a team with no ignite/healing reduction abilities against a Mundo with 5 warmogs. So never. So, you think it is bad to spend 1300 gold to be able to trade super efficiently with a Swain? lolwut? How is that bad? Just grab it instead of wriggles... its not like Swain going to be doing the physical deeps anyway so the armor on Wriggles is negligable. Seeing as it is 300 gold cheaper than Wriggles you gets the wards anyway, and you get the same sustain because despite doing less damage you leech more life. Oh thats right, you gonna pop Ignite during every single trade in lane. My bad yo. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On February 22 2012 19:16 iCanada wrote: So, you think it is bad to spend 1300 gold to be able to trade super efficiently with a Swain? lolwut? How is that bad? Just grab it instead of wriggles... its not like Swain going to be doing the physical deeps anyway so the armor on Wriggles is negligable. Seeing as it is 300 gold cheaper than Wriggles you gets the wards anyway, and you get the same sustain because despite doing less damage you leech more life. Oh thats right, you gonna pop Ignite during every single trade in lane. My bad yo. How exactly are you going to trade with swain, even with exec calling. Unless you're ranged, swain is going to dump on you wether you have exec or not. Swain can just heal up afterwards anyways. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 22 2012 19:16 iCanada wrote: lolwut? How is that bad? Just grab it instead of wriggles... its not like Swain going to be doing the physical deeps anyway so the armor on Wriggles is negligable. Seeing as it is 300 gold cheaper than Wriggles you gets the wards anyway, and you get the same sustain because despite doing less damage you leech more life. You're undervaluing the Wriggle's ward as: 1) You don't have to back every 3 minutes to refresh your Wriggle's ward. In sustain lanes you will likely spend more than 3 minutes in lane between base trips. 2) Even if they were just wards you were going to buy anyway, it's saving you 75 gold every 3 minutes. That means that Wriggle's is generating a little more than 4 gold/10--making it more cost-efficient than most of the other gold/10s (Philo Stone is stupid in cost-efficiency comparisons). | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 22 2012 19:16 iCanada wrote: So, you think it is bad to spend 1300 gold to be able to trade super efficiently with a Swain? lolwut? How is that bad? Just grab it instead of wriggles... its not like Swain going to be doing the physical deeps anyway so the armor on Wriggles is negligable. Seeing as it is 300 gold cheaper than Wriggles you gets the wards anyway, and you get the same sustain because despite doing less damage you leech more life. Oh thats right, you gonna pop Ignite during every single trade in lane. My bad yo. I spend 1300 gold to just far creeps to sustain myself after I lose in trades against Swain, just like every other typical top laner that Swain does well against. I assume he's not picking Swain because I'm someone who beats him anyways, and wriggles will do a lot for me once I leave lane moreso than that executioners will, and always having that ward up in gank prevention doesn't sound that bad to me. If you're not killing Swain in lane with that executioner then you're hurting yourself post-laning phase. Edit: Looks like Yango's got my back. Next time I won't rise to the bait.  | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 22 2012 19:22 JackDino wrote: How exactly are you going to trade with swain, even with exec calling. Unless you're ranged, swain is going to dump on you wether you have exec or not. Swain can just heal up afterwards anyways. Swain is slow, and has relatively low range, and most melee champs have some sort of gap closer; the only ones that dont (Sion, Warwick, GP, Nasus, Mord, Kayle) can trade effectively anyway because of a ranged skill or ridiculous sustain themselves. Look, I am not saying Executioners is some core item or anything. I'm just saying that in certain situations it is a really good buy. Its like Ninja Tabi's, most of the time I'd rather have Mercs but in some games they are a better buy. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 22 2012 19:33 iCanada wrote: Swain is slow, and has relatively low range, and most melee champs have some sort of gap closer; the only ones that dont (Sion, Warwick, GP, Nasus, Mord, Kayle) can trade effectively anyway because of a ranged skill or ridiculous sustain themselves. Look, I am not saying Executioners is some core item or anything. I'm just saying that in certain situations it is a really good buy. Its like Ninja Tabi's, most of the time I'd rather have Mercs but in some games they are a better buy. Beating a dead horse, but how would wriggles be a bad choice if you DID just want to passively farm your lane. I mean, really, unless you're killing Swain with every active of it, I fail to see a good reason to buy it. It flat out sucks man, and the situations for getting it are like, lottery odds. Anyways, buy all the executioner callings you want, I won't stop you. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
On February 22 2012 19:33 iCanada wrote: Swain is slow, and has relatively low range, and most melee champs have some sort of gap closer; the only ones that dont (Sion, Warwick, GP, Nasus, Mord, Kayle) can trade effectively anyway because of a ranged skill or ridiculous sustain themselves. Look, I am not saying Executioners is some core item or anything. I'm just saying that in certain situations it is a really good buy. Its like Ninja Tabi's, most of the time I'd rather have Mercs but in some games they are a better buy. If you try and bully swain as a melee champ you will eat a lazer bird when you close with him which leads to a garanteed nevermove. How are you ever going to win a trade with him. There is a reason swain is considered a counter to most solo tops. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On February 22 2012 20:20 Gorsameth wrote: If you try and bully swain as a melee champ you will eat a lazer bird when you close with him which leads to a garanteed nevermove. How are you ever going to win a trade with him. There is a reason swain is considered a counter to most solo tops. you eat a lazer bird every time you try to CS if you are playing it right as swain | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
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