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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 23:13:56
February 06 2012 23:12 GMT
#1721
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
February 06 2012 23:15 GMT
#1722
Right, TSM losing had nothing to do with Reginald's first time Ziggs.......

Despite getting such a lead, he had horrible positioning and missed sooooo many q's and didn't know how to place his minefields.

Then he got caught by ashe arrow/ ahri twice when his team was scattered to lose baron and the game.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 06 2012 23:15 GMT
#1723
On February 07 2012 08:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?

Post last whisper I'd say no.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
February 06 2012 23:28 GMT
#1724
I dunno why some people think its all about attack speed. My last ranked game our Cait went Dblades into vamp secpter into 2 PD lol was funny she could farm minions but couldn't do shit vs players :D. That build with wriggles seems a bit risky though if your going for mid game dmg then you will either have to win it or farm like crazy to catch up in items cause once people start getting some armor/health then you be SOL. I rarely ever see an AD get wriggles though, but I do play at low elo.
Never Knows Best.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 06 2012 23:29 GMT
#1725
Saint running triple gp5 Alistar right now on stream. Making all the moneys.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
February 06 2012 23:36 GMT
#1726
On February 07 2012 08:10 Kaniol wrote:
WTF people hating on lantern so much, you guys are crazy. It isn't a bad item, same for buying 2-3 dorans - it is NOT bad. Buying 3 blades, lantern and then a PD (aka spending ~7k gold before buying a BF sword) is bad tho

I think any competent ad carry goes for 2-3 dorans almost always. What we are discussing is 2-3 dorans + wriggles into PD.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 06 2012 23:40 GMT
#1727
On February 07 2012 08:15 tobi9999 wrote:
Right, TSM losing had nothing to do with Reginald's first time Ziggs.......

Despite getting such a lead, he had horrible positioning and missed sooooo many q's and didn't know how to place his minefields.

Then he got caught by ashe arrow/ ahri twice when his team was scattered to lose baron and the game.

Hey man, TSM lost a game. It MUST be RainMan's fault. 100%.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 23:40:42
February 06 2012 23:40 GMT
#1728
On February 07 2012 08:29 Terranasaur wrote:
Saint running triple gp5 Alistar right now on stream. Making all the moneys.

After I had read theorycrafters on TL, I didn't buy any gp5 anymore, excepted Philo for regen.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
February 06 2012 23:50 GMT
#1729
On February 07 2012 08:40 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 08:29 Terranasaur wrote:
Saint running triple gp5 Alistar right now on stream. Making all the moneys.

After I had read theorycrafters on TL, I didn't buy any gp5 anymore, excepted Philo for regen.

You obviously haven't experienced what it's like to sit in base making 2 gold per second.
boomer hands
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
February 06 2012 23:54 GMT
#1730
Gotta be the most farmed AFKer you can be, imo.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 07 2012 00:06 GMT
#1731
On February 07 2012 08:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 08:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?

Post last whisper I'd say no.

Buying tankiness increases your 1v1 capabilites so I'd be tempted to say yes.

But the big problem will be teamfights : having a ranged auto attacker doing very high damage is highly beneficial for the team, and creates the whole teamfight dynamic.
The legend of Darien lives on
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 07 2012 00:09 GMT
#1732
On February 07 2012 09:06 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 08:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?

Post last whisper I'd say no.

Buying tankiness increases your 1v1 capabilites so I'd be tempted to say yes.

But the big problem will be teamfights : having a ranged auto attacker doing very high damage is highly beneficial for the team, and creates the whole teamfight dynamic.

I cant say I have actually tested every combination possible, but a 6 item trist pretty much shits on everything and everyone not named nasus.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 07 2012 00:22 GMT
#1733
On February 07 2012 09:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 09:06 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?

Post last whisper I'd say no.

Buying tankiness increases your 1v1 capabilites so I'd be tempted to say yes.

But the big problem will be teamfights : having a ranged auto attacker doing very high damage is highly beneficial for the team, and creates the whole teamfight dynamic.

I cant say I have actually tested every combination possible, but a 6 item trist pretty much shits on everything and everyone not named nasus.

6item twitch shits all over trist.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 07 2012 00:23 GMT
#1734
On February 07 2012 09:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 09:06 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?

Post last whisper I'd say no.

Buying tankiness increases your 1v1 capabilites so I'd be tempted to say yes.

But the big problem will be teamfights : having a ranged auto attacker doing very high damage is highly beneficial for the team, and creates the whole teamfight dynamic.

I cant say I have actually tested every combination possible, but a 6 item trist pretty much shits on everything and everyone not named nasus.

In 1v1 if the tanky dps builds specifically for 1v1?

At least JAX, Yi, Tryndamere, Sion, Rammus, Gangplank, Xin Zhao, Shyvana are going to beat Tristana at 6 items imo, probably Irelia and Poppy too.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
February 07 2012 00:23 GMT
#1735
Can someone explain to me why I keep getting top pick in ranked games every time?

Top elo gets first pick right? So why do I keep getting placed with lower elo players then myself?

I want to play with people equal or better then me ffs
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
February 07 2012 00:27 GMT
#1736
hmm server is acting up just saying. and yes top elo gets first pick. it's just luck of the draw. i wish i could get top pick every game
BW -> League -> CSGO
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 00:27:50
February 07 2012 00:27 GMT
#1737
Top elo always best as 1. enemy team will be worse so easier to carry and 2. Because you generally can call the role you're best at.

Usually top pick = best winrate by far for me
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 00:34:31
February 07 2012 00:33 GMT
#1738
On February 07 2012 09:23 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 09:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:06 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?

Post last whisper I'd say no.

Buying tankiness increases your 1v1 capabilites so I'd be tempted to say yes.

But the big problem will be teamfights : having a ranged auto attacker doing very high damage is highly beneficial for the team, and creates the whole teamfight dynamic.

I cant say I have actually tested every combination possible, but a 6 item trist pretty much shits on everything and everyone not named nasus.

In 1v1 if the tanky dps builds specifically for 1v1?

At least JAX, Yi, Tryndamere, Sion, Rammus, Gangplank, Xin Zhao, Shyvana are going to beat Tristana at 6 items imo, probably Irelia and Poppy too.

I've beaten fully built Tryndameres and Master Yis with a fully built Tristana before.

Can't say anything about the rest because I haven't done it. But I've gone 1v1 with Tryndamere and Yi and came out on top.

Tryndamere ulted so I W'ed back, he chickened me so I ulted him then just kept auto attacking and he died before he could kill me.

Having a fully stacked Bloodthirster helps.

As for Yi, he just kinda died because late game Master Yi is weak against being right clicked.
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 07 2012 00:35 GMT
#1739
On February 07 2012 09:23 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 09:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:06 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?

Post last whisper I'd say no.

Buying tankiness increases your 1v1 capabilites so I'd be tempted to say yes.

But the big problem will be teamfights : having a ranged auto attacker doing very high damage is highly beneficial for the team, and creates the whole teamfight dynamic.

I cant say I have actually tested every combination possible, but a 6 item trist pretty much shits on everything and everyone not named nasus.

In 1v1 if the tanky dps builds specifically for 1v1?

At least JAX, Yi, Tryndamere, Sion, Rammus, Gangplank, Xin Zhao, Shyvana are going to beat Tristana at 6 items imo, probably Irelia and Poppy too.



I don't think this is the argument. I think the question is, if you take a Ranged AD with regular ranged AD build, let's call it Zerkers, IE, PD, BT, LW, GA. Against a Ranged AD with a bruiser build, Mercs, Warmogs, Atmas, Trinity, Wits, FoN (or something similar) who would win.

Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 07 2012 00:38 GMT
#1740
On February 07 2012 09:35 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 09:23 Shikyo wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:06 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 07 2012 08:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Would it be possible for a bruiser built AD carry champion to beat an equally farmed normally built AD carry?

Post last whisper I'd say no.

Buying tankiness increases your 1v1 capabilites so I'd be tempted to say yes.

But the big problem will be teamfights : having a ranged auto attacker doing very high damage is highly beneficial for the team, and creates the whole teamfight dynamic.

I cant say I have actually tested every combination possible, but a 6 item trist pretty much shits on everything and everyone not named nasus.

In 1v1 if the tanky dps builds specifically for 1v1?

At least JAX, Yi, Tryndamere, Sion, Rammus, Gangplank, Xin Zhao, Shyvana are going to beat Tristana at 6 items imo, probably Irelia and Poppy too.



I don't think this is the argument. I think the question is, if you take a Ranged AD with regular ranged AD build, let's call it Zerkers, IE, PD, BT, LW, GA. Against a Ranged AD with a bruiser build, Mercs, Warmogs, Atmas, Trinity, Wits, FoN (or something similar) who would win.


If you remove wits and FoN that are bad and replace with Thornmail and Randuins Omen funny things happen even with LW.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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