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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 05 2012 05:33 GMT
#1261
On February 05 2012 14:29 0123456789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.


Don't be too bitter and negative. 1600's is about hardcarrying your teammates 1v5. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve that elo. It's a plateau, and you have to get out of it. Some people never get out because they don't have the will and determination to be stuck in that elo for months before they learn, get better, take losses, and find out how to 1v5 every game. Every player in the game has to learn how to 1v5 games. That's what seperates the best from the good. If you can't carry as hard, and rely on teammates, but do well enough to win or slightly win lane every game, you will be stuck depending on teammates. And every1 knows that's like a 51% winrate and a luck based game.

?

Where I say I bitter and negative? I fucking LOVE solo q cuz I get to do whatever the hell I want.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 05:39:07
February 05 2012 05:34 GMT
#1262
On February 05 2012 14:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 14:29 0123456789 wrote:
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.


Don't be too bitter and negative. 1600's is about hardcarrying your teammates 1v5. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve that elo. It's a plateau, and you have to get out of it. Some people never get out because they don't have the will and determination to be stuck in that elo for months before they learn, get better, take losses, and find out how to 1v5 every game. Every player in the game has to learn how to 1v5 games. That's what seperates the best from the good. If you can't carry as hard, and rely on teammates, but do well enough to win or slightly win lane every game, you will be stuck depending on teammates. And every1 knows that's like a 51% winrate and a luck based game.

?

Where I say I bitter and negative? I fucking LOVE solo q cuz I get to do whatever the hell I want.


You seem to hate your teammates a lot. Calling them morons, and only trust yourself, not your teammates. That sounds really bitter to me. ^_^
We should all remember 5hit and his phrases of solo queue.
CARRY HARDER!!!
IT'S ALWAYS YOUR FAULT!!!
YOU DON'T DESERVE TO WIN IF YOU CAN'T CARRY 4 BADDIES!!!

I think what really makes me indifferent is whenever I think of this when I play is, when in my head I just expect every lane to go 0-10 in my head. Then, when my team does good, it's a delicious surprise. If they don't, I'm already prepared to play every solo queue game carrying people. And then developing a love for creating perfect play that allows you to carry those 0-10 other lane games, and how you can always improve your play to carry every1 even better, and becoming even more solid better, and your overall skills better, and better, and better.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 05:38:25
February 05 2012 05:37 GMT
#1263
On February 05 2012 14:34 0123456789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 14:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 05 2012 14:29 0123456789 wrote:
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.


Don't be too bitter and negative. 1600's is about hardcarrying your teammates 1v5. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve that elo. It's a plateau, and you have to get out of it. Some people never get out because they don't have the will and determination to be stuck in that elo for months before they learn, get better, take losses, and find out how to 1v5 every game. Every player in the game has to learn how to 1v5 games. That's what seperates the best from the good. If you can't carry as hard, and rely on teammates, but do well enough to win or slightly win lane every game, you will be stuck depending on teammates. And every1 knows that's like a 51% winrate and a luck based game.

?

Where I say I bitter and negative? I fucking LOVE solo q cuz I get to do whatever the hell I want.


You seem to hate your teammates a lot. Calling them morons, and only trust yourself, not your teammates. That sounds really bitter to me. ^_^

Naw, see, thats other people attributing their own anger to my commandments.

I look at my teammates like lost little kittens. Stupid kittens, but still cute in the way they run around doing whatever they want. Its your job to shepherd the kittens around. Most of the time its more effective to dangle balls of string around than it is to slap the kittens.

But the key is to remember that, in the end, they are only stupid little kittens, so you need to rely on yourself to win.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 05 2012 05:43 GMT
#1264
On February 05 2012 14:37 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 14:34 0123456789 wrote:
On February 05 2012 14:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 05 2012 14:29 0123456789 wrote:
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.


Don't be too bitter and negative. 1600's is about hardcarrying your teammates 1v5. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve that elo. It's a plateau, and you have to get out of it. Some people never get out because they don't have the will and determination to be stuck in that elo for months before they learn, get better, take losses, and find out how to 1v5 every game. Every player in the game has to learn how to 1v5 games. That's what seperates the best from the good. If you can't carry as hard, and rely on teammates, but do well enough to win or slightly win lane every game, you will be stuck depending on teammates. And every1 knows that's like a 51% winrate and a luck based game.

?

Where I say I bitter and negative? I fucking LOVE solo q cuz I get to do whatever the hell I want.


You seem to hate your teammates a lot. Calling them morons, and only trust yourself, not your teammates. That sounds really bitter to me. ^_^

Naw, see, thats other people attributing their own anger to my commandments.

I look at my teammates like lost little kittens. Stupid kittens, but still cute in the way they run around doing whatever they want. Its your job to shepherd the kittens around. Most of the time its more effective to dangle balls of string around than it is to slap the kittens.

But the key is to remember that, in the end, they are only stupid little kittens, so you need to rely on yourself to win.

This actually reminds me of a quote about 40 man raids in WoW.

Leading a raid is like herding kittens. But by God, they're YOUR kittens.
It's your boy Guzma!
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 05:45:50
February 05 2012 05:44 GMT
#1265
On February 05 2012 14:37 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 14:34 0123456789 wrote:
On February 05 2012 14:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 05 2012 14:29 0123456789 wrote:
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.


Don't be too bitter and negative. 1600's is about hardcarrying your teammates 1v5. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve that elo. It's a plateau, and you have to get out of it. Some people never get out because they don't have the will and determination to be stuck in that elo for months before they learn, get better, take losses, and find out how to 1v5 every game. Every player in the game has to learn how to 1v5 games. That's what seperates the best from the good. If you can't carry as hard, and rely on teammates, but do well enough to win or slightly win lane every game, you will be stuck depending on teammates. And every1 knows that's like a 51% winrate and a luck based game.

?

Where I say I bitter and negative? I fucking LOVE solo q cuz I get to do whatever the hell I want.


You seem to hate your teammates a lot. Calling them morons, and only trust yourself, not your teammates. That sounds really bitter to me. ^_^

Naw, see, thats other people attributing their own anger to my commandments.

I look at my teammates like lost little kittens. Stupid kittens, but still cute in the way they run around doing whatever they want. Its your job to shepherd the kittens around. Most of the time its more effective to dangle balls of string around than it is to slap the kittens.

But the key is to remember that, in the end, they are only stupid little kittens, so you need to rely on yourself to win.


#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.


I look at my teammates like lost little kittens.


---> Lost little kittens = idiots who deserve to be treated as such.

gtfo you fucking kitten hater. Everyone loves kittens. Just gtfo.


@Requi: That's why playing LoL like if it's EvE online or a WoW raid is bound to fail. The other four people in solo q think the same about you. 5 leaders? hfgl.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 05 2012 05:46 GMT
#1266
Well, MY pack of kittens has one that calls himself Soniv, has a flashlight strapped to his head, tinfoil wrapped around his body and runs around talking about lazering things.

Its cute, if not exactly effective.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
February 05 2012 06:01 GMT
#1267
We should have people put their top elos in the comments so people can know who to listen to and who to ignore without needed to have name drops.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 06:20:34
February 05 2012 06:19 GMT
#1268
maybe an elo ranking in the first post

everyone posts their top elo and then there's a spoilered section 'TL Power Rankings', descending order, no commentary neccesary, people can just go to and check out the elos. Then everybody will know to ignore me huehuehue

Would we have to PM to update the list though? We don't want people just being GUYS GUYS NEW TOP ELO IT'S 12 HIGHER THAN THE OLD ONE UPDATE PLZ
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 06:22:29
February 05 2012 06:21 GMT
#1269
1600 <- like this? Maybe just have a rule that when giving out some sort of info, state your rating?
Amumu top lane sounds legit auto attack them and spam E on whoever you're laning against (i don't play top lane much at all though so i'm not sure if this really is) but in my game i tried recently, i was carrying fairly hard lol

BW -> League -> CSGO
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 05 2012 06:23 GMT
#1270
Or we could just put it in the signature.

But frankly it really doesnt matter. If anyone says stupid shit someone jumps in and rips them to shreds.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 05 2012 06:26 GMT
#1271
On February 05 2012 15:01 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
We should have people put their top elos in the comments so people can know who to listen to and who to ignore without needed to have name drops.

This idea has popped up about a thousand times over the life of this subforum.
We've agreed many many times that it isn't going to happen.
Pick your reason:
a) We're elitist, but not THAT elitist.
b) What level do we decide someone is ok to listen to?
c) Many high elo players have their own opinions and do not agree on one thing anyway.
d) If you hang around LP or the subforum you should already know who is knowledgeable/worth istening to and who isn't.
e) Insert your own.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 05 2012 06:35 GMT
#1272
Posting top elo is stupid anyway, my top elo is always 200+ above of what I'm usually hovering around. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
whatsupchan
Profile Joined August 2011
United States61 Posts
February 05 2012 06:36 GMT
#1273
am i doin this rite
2035
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 06:58:31
February 05 2012 06:55 GMT
#1274
okay. just noticed mumu can tank minion agro 100% so i can draw aggro all day and not die o.o = even better for top lane lol
BW -> League -> CSGO
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
February 05 2012 07:06 GMT
#1275
My god is Ziggs OP in ARAM/B.

Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
February 05 2012 07:08 GMT
#1276
SOUNDS REAL ARBITRARY AND DOUCHEY
SHOULDNT DISCREDIT OPINION BASED ON ELO BUT REASONING IMO
Hey! Listen!
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
February 05 2012 07:09 GMT
#1277
Amumu gets really good ap ratio's, but the real question is do you level q or e first. And would ap amumu be too squishy for being as close as he needs to be to get off most of his shit.
spacemonkey4eve
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States267 Posts
February 05 2012 07:09 GMT
#1278
On February 05 2012 14:29 0123456789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.


Don't be too bitter and negative. 1600's is about hardcarrying your teammates 1v5. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve that elo. It's a plateau, and you have to get out of it. Some people never get out because they don't have the will and determination to be stuck in that elo for months before they learn, get better, take losses, and find out how to 1v5 every game. Every player in the game has to learn how to 1v5 games. That's what seperates the best from the good. If you can't carry as hard, and rely on teammates, but do well enough to win or slightly win lane every game, you will be stuck depending on teammates. And every1 knows that's like a 51% winrate and a luck based game.


I really learned this the hard way after being stuck in 1300-1400 for the entirety of s2 until recently, when I realized that I was just depending on my teammates to do well, and not carrying hard enough. Once I started carrying better/initiating teamfights at precisely the right moment/making tower-baron calls, I surged ahead and just broke 1600 for 1st time for solo q ^_^b. I think I've reached my skill ceiling though.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 05 2012 07:09 GMT
#1279
I keep my current Elo in my signature. I've been waiting for someone to call me out because it's one point off.

Elo is a terrible tool for measuring post value because Elo doesn't represent skill.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 07:18:29
February 05 2012 07:13 GMT
#1280
On February 05 2012 16:09 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Amumu gets really good ap ratio's, but the real question is do you level q or e first. And would ap amumu be too squishy for being as close as he needs to be to get off most of his shit.

I'm maxing E first then W because E lets me trade in lane. that consists of just autoing first and then spamming E and Q'ing them once they start moving farther away. Only problem with this is that it pushes lane. and for ap i just get will abyssal ryali'swhich gives plenty of damage imo. then last slot for defensive item and i also get a philo -> shurelyas in lane sorry this is very quickly typed out. and i just remembered about the champion thread thing so i'm gonna post something else in the thread sorry
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