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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 05 2012 04:04 GMT
#1241

Dat cass derping so hard

Okay maybe saint had that all planned, guess theyre going to win now though I have no idea how
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 05 2012 04:05 GMT
#1242
On February 05 2012 13:04 Shikyo wrote:

Dat cass derping so hard

Okay maybe saint had that all planned, guess theyre going to win now though I have no idea how

Because tryharding in solo q is just about the worst thing you can do. Ya have to roll with the punches.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
February 05 2012 04:09 GMT
#1243
Hotshot just lost to saint's IE trinity soraka. lol, what a game
Best Teemo World
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 05 2012 04:11 GMT
#1244
On February 05 2012 13:05 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 13:04 Shikyo wrote:

Dat cass derping so hard

Okay maybe saint had that all planned, guess theyre going to win now though I have no idea how

Because tryharding in solo q is just about the worst thing you can do. Ya have to roll with the punches.

You realize that if that was soloq at 1400 and if his team hadn't megacarried him he'd have gotten 9 reports his way and repeating that just a few times gets you banned for a day or two? Which basically means that you can't play that way even though it's fun

Like I made a new acco just to troll for fun and although I won more than I lost it got banned for a day at lvl 8, meaning you don't even need to play all that many games

Btw I don't care who it is doing that but just feeding intentionally and such is something I don't like from streamers, HSGG does it quite a bit as well and rainman as well(who btw I dislike by far the most out of clg/tsm)

But now my analysis of why the other team lost: cass and vayne both got caught for no reason numerous times, I don't even know how that's possible but
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 04:33:02
February 05 2012 04:24 GMT
#1245
On February 05 2012 13:11 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 13:05 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 05 2012 13:04 Shikyo wrote:

Dat cass derping so hard

Okay maybe saint had that all planned, guess theyre going to win now though I have no idea how

Because tryharding in solo q is just about the worst thing you can do. Ya have to roll with the punches.

You realize that if that was soloq at 1400 and if his team hadn't megacarried him he'd have gotten 9 reports his way and repeating that just a few times gets you banned for a day or two? Which basically means that you can't play that way even though it's fun

Like I made a new acco just to troll for fun and although I won more than I lost it got banned for a day at lvl 8, meaning you don't even need to play all that many games

Btw I don't care who it is doing that but just feeding intentionally and such is something I don't like from streamers, HSGG does it quite a bit as well and rainman as well(who btw I dislike by far the most out of clg/tsm)

But now my analysis of why the other team lost: cass and vayne both got caught for no reason numerous times, I don't even know how that's possible but


You don't understand.
If it was solo q at 1400 saint would have 1v5ed the other team as AD roaming soraka. You have always complained about elo hell. It doesn't matter. They were 1400 elo once too. They won their games there, and got past that elo. Why? Because they aren't shitty players.

Your analysis isn't even fully correct. There were a lot of things that made them win:
Even though the other team had the advantage and was way up on kills, they didn't DO anything with that advantage. They weren't taking towers. They let their baroning attempt get stolen. They only did more killing, and had nothing to show for it. Saint was worth less than 100 gold, and even though he was dying, his team would still get a kill here and there. His team still would farm.
Did you see just HOW farmed nasus was? Did you see how ez 1v2ed his lane? How he was so much more farmed than vayne, and how vayne did a really shitty wriggles -> PD -> starks build? Did you see how farmed twitch was?

Yes vayne and cass got caught sometimes, but the enemy team also has a really useless support lux, a garen who began to fall off lategame, and a vayne that had no damage because of a bad build.

Saints team essentially had a farmed nasus, 3 farmed AD carries (AD roaming soraka with a triforce......? come on), and a decently farmed morg that at least could support them with black shield + some cc. They could outdamage and out tank the other team lategame.

edit: In case this sounded as one, no this isn't a hate post against you, shikyo. But you're a TL member, and you should know better, and look at everything that's happened and analyze it a bit more, instead of just bashing someone and bringing up a random personal low elo experience of yours.
Plenty of higher elo TLers comes in here all the time and basically laugh at the people complaining about elo hell saying if you know how to win, you'll win, so just do it and stop complaining about "being in elo hell." :x
Just last night chauster and doublelift were actually saying they wish they were 1400 elo again b/c it's like "elo heaven - you can build whatever you want and still win."
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 05 2012 04:33 GMT
#1246
Saintvicious's support, compared to everyone else's
- most farmed
- least wards
- most deaths
- highest probability of enemy throwing game
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 05 2012 04:41 GMT
#1247
ive won a game with kmax9's mundo support before
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 04:45:51
February 05 2012 04:44 GMT
#1248
@blackpaladin what does it matter if it's saint? If a 4 gp5 -> ad soraka had went 0-12 in 1400 elo ranked game while buying no wards or supporting otherwise and their team would have lost he'd get reported. Doesn't matter at all how good a player he is to make my point ..


Speaking of which Saint is now 0-14 Heimerdinger
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 05 2012 04:44 GMT
#1249
Ask kmax what his least favorite matchups are and which mundo role is his favorite
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 04:48:35
February 05 2012 04:44 GMT
#1250
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
February 05 2012 04:50 GMT
#1251
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.

I can't tell if you made these up on the fly or if you've had them around for a while.

I'm surprised there isn't a rule about playing vs. not playing Support in solo queue :3.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 05 2012 04:51 GMT
#1252
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.


Your #1 - #3 are all that is wrong with solo q. Good job promoting a shitty attitude.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 05 2012 05:00 GMT
#1253
My commandments:

#1: Have fun playing.
#2: Don't care about Elo.
#3: Don't worry how your team plays. Worry how you play.
#4: Duo with Soniv when he's drunk. (Don't worry, he won't remember it.)
#5: Don't be a Scumbag Steve
Too lazy to think of others.

"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 05:05:25
February 05 2012 05:03 GMT
#1254
Its because I play to have fun and I really dont care about my elo I am able to fully embrace (with a few lapses) my rules 1-3.

Sometimes you forget and think you can trust your teammates not to be stupid, or try to change what you know works/ you have fun with and remember WHY listening to people in solo q makes the game so damn vexing.


And R- hate the game, not the player.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 05 2012 05:11 GMT
#1255
It kind of sucks when you prefer playing more of control/counter jungling sort of a playstyle because even if you explain everything to your teammates you just can rely on them to not die to the enemy.

Also I always feel really bad when I'm the jungler and a teammate dies, I feel like its my responsibility to save their asses. Anyone else has the same feeling while jungling?


On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.

We really need that quotes thread now.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 05:24:31
February 05 2012 05:11 GMT
#1256
On February 05 2012 12:38 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 12:15 Requizen wrote:
Wow, I just played Shy for the first time on a friend's account. When you guys said fast clearing, you meant FAST CLEARING. Free tankiness, high damage, absurd invasion. New favorite jungler? I might think so.

Sure, noooooo oonneee listens to T_D when I say that shit afore its cool.


Shaddup, you spent the few last weeks repeating she sucks.

On February 05 2012 13:50 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I'm surprised there isn't a rule about playing vs. not playing Support in solo queue :3.


Got your back.

Also, whenever a teammate dies while I jungle I only blame myself if I could have gotten there in time and didn't. Rest of the time? "Call earlier if you need help, I don't have a tp", "Don't try to dive them when you didn't ward and noone knows where the enemy jungler is/I'm near and you don't warn me/your opponent is Pantheon".
If they don't listen, go murder that guy daring to fuel your teammate's whining and carry them.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 05:15:56
February 05 2012 05:13 GMT
#1257
On February 05 2012 14:11 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 12:38 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 05 2012 12:15 Requizen wrote:
Wow, I just played Shy for the first time on a friend's account. When you guys said fast clearing, you meant FAST CLEARING. Free tankiness, high damage, absurd invasion. New favorite jungler? I might think so.

Sure, noooooo oonneee listens to T_D when I say that shit afore its cool.


Shaddup, you spent the few last weeks repeating she sucks.

And that nobody (but me) should play her.

Yes. Yes I did. Everyone wants to protect their baby.


On February 05 2012 14:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Also I always feel really bad when I'm the jungler and a teammate dies, I feel like its my responsibility to save their asses. Anyone else has the same feeling while jungling?


NOPE. If you die 1v1 in lane it is 100% entirely your own damn fault. If you die to a gank and dont have it warded, it is 100% your own damn fault. If you die to a gank and HAVE it warded, well, you pretty much deserve to lose the game.

So no, I feel no guilt when a lane dies. Only a vague sense of sadness for the fate of humanity.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
February 05 2012 05:28 GMT
#1258
Rule #1: Ignore your teammates if they don't have anything good to say, they'll put you down hard and they won't stop bitching at you "OMFG YOU GOT FIRST BLOODED, KK WE LOSE GAME" And the occassional "Report ----- for feeding!"
Rule #2: ^
Rule #3: ^
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
February 05 2012 05:28 GMT
#1259
Depends on the circumstances. Most of the time dying 1v1 is the laners fault, but if you pushed their lane you're partially to blame.
twitch.tv/cratonz
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 05:30:52
February 05 2012 05:29 GMT
#1260
On February 05 2012 13:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
The Solo Q commandments, according to T_D

#1: Your teammates are idiots. Treat them as such.
#2: Because of rule #1, trust only yourself.
#3: Because of rule #1 &2, never listen to your teammates
#4: If you are a laner, do not count on your jungle ever ganking. If you pick into a bad lane for yourself, you deserve to lose.
#5: If you are a jungle, do not bother trying to save your lanes from themselves. Only gank when you can get a kill, and it doesnt interrupt your farming.
#6: Farm your ass off. Gold has a direct connection to your chance to win.
#7: If playing Tanky dps- get farmed, then charge into the middle of the enemy team, tank everything, and wait for your moronic teammates to realize they should be fighting.
#8: If playing a Squishy- get farmed, then 1 shot the moron on their team who is split, then force your team to get an objective.
#9: Only do baron if you are losing or they have no shot at stealing it. Remember rule #1- the enemy will steal it 9 times out of 10.
#10: Inhibs win games. Use rules #7 and #8 to take inhibs.


Of course that brings us to:

#11: If any of the above is proven to be false and you win, congratulations, you just got carried.


Don't be too bitter and negative. 1600's is about hardcarrying your teammates 1v5. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve that elo. It's a plateau, and you have to get out of it. Some people never get out because they don't have the will and determination to be stuck in that elo for months before they learn, get better, take losses, and find out how to 1v5 every game. Every player in the game has to learn how to 1v5 games. That's what seperates the best from the good. If you can't carry as hard, and rely on teammates, but do well enough to win or slightly win lane every game, you will be stuck depending on teammates. And every1 knows that's like a 51% winrate and a luck based game.
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