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On February 03 2012 18:50 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Dont forget Maokais double CC + slow ganks.
Maokai doesn't offer as much cc as sej in full teamfight.
and for people asking for a guide on full tank sejuani, obviously don't play tanks. tank items are completely situational, and everyone here should know that. I think her cc's are much better in late game than maokai. I think she's just extremely underrated, and for very poor reasons.
runes should be fairly straight forward, armor red, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, flat hp quints. mpen reds work too, they work nicely in early mid game.
masteries should be 9/21/0, but 0/21/9 works as well.
good items are any items that give defensive stats along with health. so big buys include sunfire cape, randuins omen, warmogs, banshee veil, etc. etc. Frozen heart is a VERY nice addition, considering it'll almost always keep her northern winds active with the CDR it provides. Great early game items include philo stone + hog, and build accordingly from there.
Early jungle, get an amazing leash from your mid on wolves, and blue, and you'll have pretty decent clear time.
In terms of sejuani damage out put, I think it's decent.
Her main damage output is going to be from northern winds. People say amumu's despair is much better, but is it?
Assuming you don't build amumu pure ap. Tears do 2.7% of the enemy's damage in health. Which is great against high health bruisers, but so-so against carries, and tanks (as tanks have decent mr to deal with the dmg).
So lets say carries have around 2k~2.k health. Would you rather take the 2.7% damage +24 of 2k health, or would you rather get hit by sejuanis 2% of SEJUANI'S health, which would be more around 3k~3.5k + 36, per second.
lets do the math.
amumu's tears do around 91.5dmg per second, when maxed, when enemy hp is around 2500.
sejuani's health around 3.5k deals around 106dps, when maxed.
BUT amumu's stays on forever! Yes, this is true. But sejuani's northern winds has a cooldown of 10 seconds, with near 40% cdr with froz heart, elixer, soulshroud, is around 6 seconds. Since her w lasts for 5 seconds, there is only a 1 second gap in between.
Now obviously amumu's overal damage output is much higher due to tantrum, but the utility from permafrost should not be overlooked, as your main job as a tank is to disrupt and constantly slow the enemy team, not necessarily to do an obscene amount of damage. or anything. The question is, is the lack of damage dealt by sejuani, made up for her utility? I think it is, especially late game.
Tbh I just see her as an amumu with more utility and slightly less overall damage.
Now I am ready for the shitstorm.
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I'm really only annoyed by the plethora of Regi quotes at my elo. I have no qualms with Regi real dude broing on his stream by any means, but the same quotes in a normal when you're going like 0-8 vs 1400s frustrates me. It's like they're focusing more on trying to act like Regi they forget to play like him.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not singling out Regi, there's plenty of others, he's just so damn easy to point out.
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On February 03 2012 19:37 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 18:50 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Dont forget Maokais double CC + slow ganks. Maokai doesn't offer as much cc as sej in full teamfight.
Maybe not, but the CC he does offer keeps comming and comming and comming. It also interupts, where sej doenst really do that apart from her ult. If you take Maos ult into a teamfight, u negate soooo much damage.
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Those Maokai ganks are just amazing, I mean, i've even had Taric ganks before but nothing beats Maokai ganks.
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Is there no thread dedicated for the Korean invitational?
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One thing great about OGN doing the broadcast are the DOOM ZOOMS hahaha.
And the standard screaming.
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On February 03 2012 19:11 gtrsrs wrote:most annoying trends in lol, go 1) "real". real ANNOYING jesus if i hear this word one more time used alone, gonna pop a bitch. i have no problem with "wow you're real good" or "really OP ult lol" but just "real" makes me want to punch my own dick. 2) "this is my smurf" or "this is just an alt" or "i'm really 1900 check my main" - i hear this at least twice a game. apparently 1900 is actually normal elo and everyone just wants to play on their smurfs. 3) "i don't care if we lose this game, i will get it back easily, you will keep losing" - pretty sure this started from TL, tbh. the elo police thread. IF YOU CAN WIN GAMES SO EASILY, WHY ARE YOU NOT 2K ELO BRO. every time i hear someone say this, i feel like just throwing the game so they can eat their words 4) "this <anything>": "this sivir losing us the game," "this yi!" "report this nocturne" - i guess this is more of a bother in ranked, where there is only 1 of a hero in any game. "this" is just such a wasteful prefix when there is only one sivir or yi or nocturne in your game. just say "report nocturne" or "sivir is really throwing the game!" or "our yi is bad!" why does everyone want to be dyrus or reginald or whichever dumbass brobrobrobrobro started this fad? 5) "sigh" - fuck you, when you think something's funny you don't type "laugh" do you? when you get ganked do you type "grimace"? it is a well known fact that anyone who has ever typed "<enter> sigh <enter>" is a virgin. SCIENTIFIC FACT. ^those are the things that bug me in LoL. at least chat-wise. what about you?
Real.
Sigh, this gtrsrs...
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On February 03 2012 19:37 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 18:50 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Dont forget Maokais double CC + slow ganks. Maokai doesn't offer as much cc as sej in full teamfight. and for people asking for a guide on full tank sejuani, obviously don't play tanks. tank items are completely situational, and everyone here should know that. I think her cc's are much better in late game than maokai. I think she's just extremely underrated, and for very poor reasons. runes should be fairly straight forward, armor red, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, flat hp quints. mpen reds work too, they work nicely in early mid game. masteries should be 9/21/0, but 0/21/9 works as well. good items are any items that give defensive stats along with health. so big buys include sunfire cape, randuins omen, warmogs, banshee veil, etc. etc. Frozen heart is a VERY nice addition, considering it'll almost always keep her northern winds active with the CDR it provides. Great early game items include philo stone + hog, and build accordingly from there. Early jungle, get an amazing leash from your mid on wolves, and blue, and you'll have pretty decent clear time. In terms of sejuani damage out put, I think it's decent. Her main damage output is going to be from northern winds. People say amumu's despair is much better, but is it? Assuming you don't build amumu pure ap. Tears do 2.7% of the enemy's damage in health. Which is great against high health bruisers, but so-so against carries, and tanks (as tanks have decent mr to deal with the dmg). So lets say carries have around 2k~2.k health. Would you rather take the 2.7% damage +24 of 2k health, or would you rather get hit by sejuanis 2% of SEJUANI'S health, which would be more around 3k~3.5k + 36, per second. lets do the math. amumu's tears do around 91.5dmg per second, when maxed, when enemy hp is around 2500. sejuani's health around 3.5k deals around 106dps, when maxed. BUT amumu's stays on forever! Yes, this is true. But sejuani's northern winds has a cooldown of 10 seconds, with near 40% cdr with froz heart, elixer, soulshroud, is around 6 seconds. Since her w lasts for 5 seconds, there is only a 1 second gap in between. Now obviously amumu's overal damage output is much higher due to tantrum, but the utility from permafrost should not be overlooked, as your main job as a tank is to disrupt and constantly slow the enemy team, not necessarily to do an obscene amount of damage. or anything. The question is, is the lack of damage dealt by sejuani, made up for her utility? I think it is, especially late game. Tbh I just see her as an amumu with more utility and slightly less overall damage. Now I am ready for the shitstorm.
Hmm... the Amumu comparison makes sense actually.
Ima elaborate on my problem with her then.
Solo top. If you build her like you're suggesting (I'm guessing you're aiming for a CDR/Tank build, kinda like possible on Cho) - congrats, you'll get wrecked in lane cause your sustain is 0. Philo? Wriggles? Okay options, but not that strong. Also the fact that you commit to a CDR build before the game even stars is durphurp as well. Why do you have to commit? Because you won't get away with much else unless you get fat quickly.
Hell, a Philo -> HoG opening on someone with such a weak laning phase as Sejuani is asking to get raped, denied and massacred in very unfun ways.
From the jungler perspective.
The reason why I keep comparing her to Maokai is simple, Sejuani offers solid ganks pre 6 and insane ganks post 6. However, her clearspeed is horrible compared to him. She needs blue even more than Maokai because she needs a full QE->W combo to clear even wraiths at a decent speed.
By the time she hits 6 a Maokai would have outfarmed her, AND outganked her. Being outfarmed is fine. (Think Maokai vs Shyvanna) - being outganked is fine as well (think Shyvanna vs Lee), but Sejuani can barely outgank an Udyr pre 6 and WILL fall behind in farm while she ganks because she clears so slow compared to him.
Basicly you're stuck with someone who:
a) Has medicore to low clearspeed.
b) Has mediocre to good ganks pre 6.
c) Has insanely strong ganks post 6.
d) Is highly blue dependant.
Maokai beats her at a) b) and d), Amumu beats her at a) and c), maybe even d).
PS: I'm not even argueing that she's a bad champion, in fact I love her design and I think she's immensly powerfull once she get's rolling. However, getting there is either a huge problem since your outlaned hard as fuck (top) or you, your team and your jungle will suffer till you get some levels & items (jungle).
PPS: The above is the reason why I call her viable solo top paired with a strong ganky jungler who can abuse her CC. Jungling her is just plain stupid imo.
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Sejuani has no AD scaling and no steriods to speak of. Building any kind of non AP damage on her is even less effective than AD leona because she has very long cooldowns. So the only effective ways of building her are CDR/Tank and burst AP tank (think malphite).
She has permanent slow so technically some kind of AD based build might not be completely horrible but it would just pale in comparison to someone like warwick.
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On February 03 2012 19:11 gtrsrs wrote:most annoying trends in lol, go 1) "real". real ANNOYING jesus if i hear this word one more time used alone, gonna pop a bitch. i have no problem with "wow you're real good" or "really OP ult lol" but just "real" makes me want to punch my own dick. 2) "this is my smurf" or "this is just an alt" or "i'm really 1900 check my main" - i hear this at least twice a game. apparently 1900 is actually normal elo and everyone just wants to play on their smurfs. 3) "i don't care if we lose this game, i will get it back easily, you will keep losing" - pretty sure this started from TL, tbh. the elo police thread. IF YOU CAN WIN GAMES SO EASILY, WHY ARE YOU NOT 2K ELO BRO. every time i hear someone say this, i feel like just throwing the game so they can eat their words 4) "this <anything>": "this sivir losing us the game," "this yi!" "report this nocturne" - i guess this is more of a bother in ranked, where there is only 1 of a hero in any game. "this" is just such a wasteful prefix when there is only one sivir or yi or nocturne in your game. just say "report nocturne" or "sivir is really throwing the game!" or "our yi is bad!" why does everyone want to be dyrus or reginald or whichever dumbass brobrobrobrobro started this fad? 5) "sigh" - fuck you, when you think something's funny you don't type "laugh" do you? when you get ganked do you type "grimace"? it is a well known fact that anyone who has ever typed "<enter> sigh <enter>" is a virgin. SCIENTIFIC FACT. ^those are the things that bug me in LoL. at least chat-wise. what about you?
Not so much 'this' as 'dat'.
Dat is even the normal dutch for 'that' , but not in the same grammatical way. Even dutch people on teamspeak are saying 'DAT KARTHUS ULT'
Say 'that' or 'die (diii~ translation for 'that') , Dat needs to be a bannable offense.
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It's nothing to do with your language, I'm afraid. It's to do with this:
![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/228/dat.jpg)
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On February 03 2012 19:11 gtrsrs wrote:most annoying trends in lol, go 1) "real". real ANNOYING jesus if i hear this word one more time used alone, gonna pop a bitch. i have no problem with "wow you're real good" or "really OP ult lol" but just "real" makes me want to punch my own dick. 2) "this is my smurf" or "this is just an alt" or "i'm really 1900 check my main" - i hear this at least twice a game. apparently 1900 is actually normal elo and everyone just wants to play on their smurfs. 3) "i don't care if we lose this game, i will get it back easily, you will keep losing" - pretty sure this started from TL, tbh. the elo police thread. IF YOU CAN WIN GAMES SO EASILY, WHY ARE YOU NOT 2K ELO BRO. every time i hear someone say this, i feel like just throwing the game so they can eat their words 4) "this <anything>": "this sivir losing us the game," "this yi!" "report this nocturne" - i guess this is more of a bother in ranked, where there is only 1 of a hero in any game. "this" is just such a wasteful prefix when there is only one sivir or yi or nocturne in your game. just say "report nocturne" or "sivir is really throwing the game!" or "our yi is bad!" why does everyone want to be dyrus or reginald or whichever dumbass brobrobrobrobro started this fad? 5) "sigh" - fuck you, when you think something's funny you don't type "laugh" do you? when you get ganked do you type "grimace"? it is a well known fact that anyone who has ever typed "<enter> sigh <enter>" is a virgin. SCIENTIFIC FACT. ^those are the things that bug me in LoL. at least chat-wise. what about you?
Imo for 4): if you say "sivir losing us the game" or "yi sucks", it could be construed that you mean "the champion choice of sivir is losing us the game" or "yi the champion really sucks". Using "this" removes the ambiguity and shows that the blame is placed on the player instead of the champion.
And for 5), people say "haha" or "lol" or "rofl" all the time when they think something is funny. Just less related words for "sigh" is all. I use "hais" for sigh often too. "oops" or "shit" or "ugh" or "argh" for grimace when I get ganked.
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On February 03 2012 19:11 gtrsrs wrote:most annoying trends in lol, go 1) "real". real ANNOYING jesus if i hear this word one more time used alone, gonna pop a bitch. i have no problem with "wow you're real good" or "really OP ult lol" but just "real" makes me want to punch my own dick. 2) "this is my smurf" or "this is just an alt" or "i'm really 1900 check my main" - i hear this at least twice a game. apparently 1900 is actually normal elo and everyone just wants to play on their smurfs. 3) "i don't care if we lose this game, i will get it back easily, you will keep losing" - pretty sure this started from TL, tbh. the elo police thread. IF YOU CAN WIN GAMES SO EASILY, WHY ARE YOU NOT 2K ELO BRO. every time i hear someone say this, i feel like just throwing the game so they can eat their words 4) "this <anything>": "this sivir losing us the game," "this yi!" "report this nocturne" - i guess this is more of a bother in ranked, where there is only 1 of a hero in any game. "this" is just such a wasteful prefix when there is only one sivir or yi or nocturne in your game. just say "report nocturne" or "sivir is really throwing the game!" or "our yi is bad!" why does everyone want to be dyrus or reginald or whichever dumbass brobrobrobrobro started this fad? 5) "sigh" - fuck you, when you think something's funny you don't type "laugh" do you? when you get ganked do you type "grimace"? it is a well known fact that anyone who has ever typed "<enter> sigh <enter>" is a virgin. SCIENTIFIC FACT. ^those are the things that bug me in LoL. at least chat-wise. what about you?
1) ''bg'' Good lord kids, GG is not an attempt to value the quality of the game, it's a virtual handshake. Manner up, get your facts straight.
2) ''lucker'' - very prominent on EUW, even though it's NOT EVEN A FUCKING WORD.
3) ''omg'' - just bugs me, IDK why.
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On February 03 2012 21:48 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 19:11 gtrsrs wrote:most annoying trends in lol, go 1) "real". real ANNOYING jesus if i hear this word one more time used alone, gonna pop a bitch. i have no problem with "wow you're real good" or "really OP ult lol" but just "real" makes me want to punch my own dick. 2) "this is my smurf" or "this is just an alt" or "i'm really 1900 check my main" - i hear this at least twice a game. apparently 1900 is actually normal elo and everyone just wants to play on their smurfs. 3) "i don't care if we lose this game, i will get it back easily, you will keep losing" - pretty sure this started from TL, tbh. the elo police thread. IF YOU CAN WIN GAMES SO EASILY, WHY ARE YOU NOT 2K ELO BRO. every time i hear someone say this, i feel like just throwing the game so they can eat their words 4) "this <anything>": "this sivir losing us the game," "this yi!" "report this nocturne" - i guess this is more of a bother in ranked, where there is only 1 of a hero in any game. "this" is just such a wasteful prefix when there is only one sivir or yi or nocturne in your game. just say "report nocturne" or "sivir is really throwing the game!" or "our yi is bad!" why does everyone want to be dyrus or reginald or whichever dumbass brobrobrobrobro started this fad? 5) "sigh" - fuck you, when you think something's funny you don't type "laugh" do you? when you get ganked do you type "grimace"? it is a well known fact that anyone who has ever typed "<enter> sigh <enter>" is a virgin. SCIENTIFIC FACT. ^those are the things that bug me in LoL. at least chat-wise. what about you? 1) ''bg'' Good lord kids, GG is not an attempt to value the quality of the game, it's a virtual handshake. Manner up, get your facts straight. 2) ''lucker'' - very prominent on EUW, even though it's NOT EVEN A FUCKING WORD. 3) ''omg'' - just bugs me, IDK why.
One is ok. But you usually get «bg lucker omg this yi so bad».
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On February 03 2012 19:11 gtrsrs wrote:most annoying trends in lol, go 1) "real". real ANNOYING jesus if i hear this word one more time used alone, gonna pop a bitch. i have no problem with "wow you're real good" or "really OP ult lol" but just "real" makes me want to punch my own dick. 2) "this is my smurf" or "this is just an alt" or "i'm really 1900 check my main" - i hear this at least twice a game. apparently 1900 is actually normal elo and everyone just wants to play on their smurfs. 3) "i don't care if we lose this game, i will get it back easily, you will keep losing" - pretty sure this started from TL, tbh. the elo police thread. IF YOU CAN WIN GAMES SO EASILY, WHY ARE YOU NOT 2K ELO BRO. every time i hear someone say this, i feel like just throwing the game so they can eat their words 4) "this <anything>": "this sivir losing us the game," "this yi!" "report this nocturne" - i guess this is more of a bother in ranked, where there is only 1 of a hero in any game. "this" is just such a wasteful prefix when there is only one sivir or yi or nocturne in your game. just say "report nocturne" or "sivir is really throwing the game!" or "our yi is bad!" why does everyone want to be dyrus or reginald or whichever dumbass brobrobrobrobro started this fad? 5) "sigh" - fuck you, when you think something's funny you don't type "laugh" do you? when you get ganked do you type "grimace"? it is a well known fact that anyone who has ever typed "<enter> sigh <enter>" is a virgin. SCIENTIFIC FACT. ^those are the things that bug me in LoL. at least chat-wise. what about you?
what about people on the internet who equated not being a virgin as an important factor in the conversation?  do they annoy you too ?
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I hope you don't end up in a solo queue game with me then, Gtrsrs. I frequently say 1, 4 and 5 (When my team is losing)
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The most hilarious EU Insult ever is "lowbob". I have no idea where it came from but people calling each other lowbobs all over the place and actually getted offended cracks me up. People even bastardize it with other insults. Stuff like "cancerbob" "luckbob" etc start popping up. Man I love solo queue. The perfect combination of trolling in chat and srs business in play for me.
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On February 03 2012 20:14 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Is there no thread dedicated for the Korean invitational?
The look on Loco' face after that loss, my heart is breaking right now :'(
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On February 03 2012 20:02 RogerX wrote:
Those Maokai ganks are just amazing, I mean, i've even had Taric ganks before but nothing beats Maokai ganks.
You disgrace the art of war.
+ Show Spoiler +In case you don't play Pantheon and just think I'm a jerk, jungle Pantheon ganks are without peer.
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