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On February 03 2012 23:34 Shikyo wrote:
On chauster stream malphite fails smite and gets baron stealed by Singed Fling <_< That's happened to me in a solo queue game as well. I think Fling is secretly OP.
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On February 03 2012 23:34 Shikyo wrote:
On chauster stream malphite fails smite and gets baron stealed by Singed Fling <_< That's happened to me in a solo queue game as well. I think Fling is secretly OP.
I think he's just really good. Two times now, I've seen people streaming at high elo where there's this zilean on one team that goes legendary with mejais. Like this guy was so good he'd carry oddone. Once you get supergood with any champion, the general rules don't apply to you anymore because you can do things others can't do. Froggen never dies as long as his team is even or ahead of the enemy team, and he always stuns the enemy by moving them into his ice ball with his wall.
I think a good analogy is with SK terran in BW. Until you get skilled enough with managing/macroing a bio army, it's just a better idea to go mech vs zerg since otherwise you'll run into a lot of lurkers and lose your entire army, or not be able to keep up with production.
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On February 03 2012 23:43 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:42 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah, but the lane on the opposite side of the map that's getting pushed constantly and is constantly crying for ganks will NOT be impressed by the jungler going to the winning lane with no guarantee of anything. If you were getting pushed you'd be complaining at the jungler and most junglers end up eventually giving in to a whole team crying at that in solo queue, haha. You shouldn't be ignorant, just because your lane is going to be ganked within 5 minutes doesn't mean its worthwhile for their jungler to come sit in the brush for 5 minutes. It's not within 5min though, as I'm pushing the tower I think in my mind "now I'll get ganked" and it's happened the past 6 times or so. It's not a coinflip to countergank that lane, it's nearly guaranteed. Or you can just go back into the brush or even go base, and avoid having to rely on your team. You will NEVER EVER have a jungler who will always be around to babysitt you when you push. You might get it to happen once or twice, but not consistenty. How about learning to play properly?
Oh I know about what I should do, you can call that experimenting. I'll still stand by the opinion that counterganking the pushing toplane = free kills in solo queue at low-ish elo.
Pushing lanes in general are the best to gank, especially top as people don't ward the brushes. On botlane they ward the brushes all day these days so it doesn't work as well. Oh yeah, and people overrate wards. Like I saw an enemy rammus not ever gank a permapushed botlane because of wards and his teammates whining about it in allchat, even though he's so fast that the wards won't do anything. These are a couple pointers for low elo
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On February 03 2012 22:23 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:And can anyone tell me what 'la' means? Everyone on SEA adds it after every sentence they type.
Not sure if it's the same in Singapore where this is popular but in Cantonese 'la' in a very, very general sense is a copula similar to 'desu' in Japanese, but in fact has no actual meaning.
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On February 03 2012 23:46 midnight.tokyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 22:23 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:And can anyone tell me what 'la' means? Everyone on SEA adds it after every sentence they type. Not sure if it's the same in Singapore where this is popular but in Cantonese 'la' in a very, very general sense is a copula similar to 'desu' in Japanese, but in fact has no actual meaning.
Oh so kind of those wannabe-japanese people who talk like "I am going there desu, and then I'm eating pasta desu"
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On February 03 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:43 Slayer91 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah, but the lane on the opposite side of the map that's getting pushed constantly and is constantly crying for ganks will NOT be impressed by the jungler going to the winning lane with no guarantee of anything. If you were getting pushed you'd be complaining at the jungler and most junglers end up eventually giving in to a whole team crying at that in solo queue, haha. You shouldn't be ignorant, just because your lane is going to be ganked within 5 minutes doesn't mean its worthwhile for their jungler to come sit in the brush for 5 minutes. It's not within 5min though, as I'm pushing the tower I think in my mind "now I'll get ganked" and it's happened the past 6 times or so. It's not a coinflip to countergank that lane, it's nearly guaranteed. Or you can just go back into the brush or even go base, and avoid having to rely on your team. You will NEVER EVER have a jungler who will always be around to babysitt you when you push. You might get it to happen once or twice, but not consistenty. How about learning to play properly? Oh I know about what I should do, you can call that experimenting. I'll still stand by the opinion that counterganking the pushing toplane = free kills in solo queue at low-ish elo.
More like relying on teammates = free deaths at low elo
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On February 03 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:43 Slayer91 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah, but the lane on the opposite side of the map that's getting pushed constantly and is constantly crying for ganks will NOT be impressed by the jungler going to the winning lane with no guarantee of anything. If you were getting pushed you'd be complaining at the jungler and most junglers end up eventually giving in to a whole team crying at that in solo queue, haha. You shouldn't be ignorant, just because your lane is going to be ganked within 5 minutes doesn't mean its worthwhile for their jungler to come sit in the brush for 5 minutes. It's not within 5min though, as I'm pushing the tower I think in my mind "now I'll get ganked" and it's happened the past 6 times or so. It's not a coinflip to countergank that lane, it's nearly guaranteed. Or you can just go back into the brush or even go base, and avoid having to rely on your team. You will NEVER EVER have a jungler who will always be around to babysitt you when you push. You might get it to happen once or twice, but not consistenty. How about learning to play properly? Oh I know about what I should do, you can call that experimenting. I'll still stand by the opinion that counterganking the pushing toplane = free kills in solo queue at low-ish elo. Pushing lanes in general are the best to gank, especially top as people don't ward the brushes. On botlane they ward the brushes all day these days so it doesn't work as well. Oh yeah, and people overrate wards. Like I saw an enemy rammus not ever gank a permapushed botlane because of wards and his teammates whining about it in allchat, even though he's so fast that the wards won't do anything. These are a couple pointers for low elo
Unless you're duo queuing with a jungler. This doesn't matter. You won't be able to convince junglers to countergank top and of course they are bad junglers because they'er at your elo. I don't know what you're trying to achieve here. If you want to get into games with counterganks you should first start playing in a way that you won't need them. Even if you were #1 in solo queue you won't get a jungler to babysitt your lane every time you push.
Even if it WOULD be a free kill, if your jungler ISNT coming staying it lane because in your opinion your jungler "sholud be there" is just short of intentional feeding.
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On February 03 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:43 Slayer91 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah, but the lane on the opposite side of the map that's getting pushed constantly and is constantly crying for ganks will NOT be impressed by the jungler going to the winning lane with no guarantee of anything. If you were getting pushed you'd be complaining at the jungler and most junglers end up eventually giving in to a whole team crying at that in solo queue, haha. You shouldn't be ignorant, just because your lane is going to be ganked within 5 minutes doesn't mean its worthwhile for their jungler to come sit in the brush for 5 minutes. It's not within 5min though, as I'm pushing the tower I think in my mind "now I'll get ganked" and it's happened the past 6 times or so. It's not a coinflip to countergank that lane, it's nearly guaranteed. Or you can just go back into the brush or even go base, and avoid having to rely on your team. You will NEVER EVER have a jungler who will always be around to babysitt you when you push. You might get it to happen once or twice, but not consistenty. How about learning to play properly? Oh I know about what I should do, you can call that experimenting. I'll still stand by the opinion that counterganking the pushing toplane = free kills in solo queue at low-ish elo. Pushing lanes in general are the best to gank, especially top as people don't ward the brushes. On botlane they ward the brushes all day these days so it doesn't work as well. Oh yeah, and people overrate wards. Like I saw an enemy rammus not ever gank a permapushed botlane because of wards and his teammates whining about it in allchat, even though he's so fast that the wards won't do anything. These are a couple pointers for low elo
Rammus is not fast enough to get past the wards... not unless you put them at stupid places like as close as possible to the lane in the river brush as possible. TT
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On February 03 2012 23:51 InvaderUK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:43 Slayer91 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah, but the lane on the opposite side of the map that's getting pushed constantly and is constantly crying for ganks will NOT be impressed by the jungler going to the winning lane with no guarantee of anything. If you were getting pushed you'd be complaining at the jungler and most junglers end up eventually giving in to a whole team crying at that in solo queue, haha. You shouldn't be ignorant, just because your lane is going to be ganked within 5 minutes doesn't mean its worthwhile for their jungler to come sit in the brush for 5 minutes. It's not within 5min though, as I'm pushing the tower I think in my mind "now I'll get ganked" and it's happened the past 6 times or so. It's not a coinflip to countergank that lane, it's nearly guaranteed. Or you can just go back into the brush or even go base, and avoid having to rely on your team. You will NEVER EVER have a jungler who will always be around to babysitt you when you push. You might get it to happen once or twice, but not consistenty. How about learning to play properly? Oh I know about what I should do, you can call that experimenting. I'll still stand by the opinion that counterganking the pushing toplane = free kills in solo queue at low-ish elo. More like relying on teammates = free deaths at low elo
Meh, if you wait in the brush at your pushing toplane and their jungler comes there there's not much that your toplaner needs to do to pick up the kill, they generally are all right doing basic things. I'm also not talking about like 0-1300 or so elo ranges when I say low elo as those are pretty easy to carry(And I guess 1400-1500 should be as well but I'm bad)
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On February 03 2012 23:54 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:43 Slayer91 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah, but the lane on the opposite side of the map that's getting pushed constantly and is constantly crying for ganks will NOT be impressed by the jungler going to the winning lane with no guarantee of anything. If you were getting pushed you'd be complaining at the jungler and most junglers end up eventually giving in to a whole team crying at that in solo queue, haha. You shouldn't be ignorant, just because your lane is going to be ganked within 5 minutes doesn't mean its worthwhile for their jungler to come sit in the brush for 5 minutes. It's not within 5min though, as I'm pushing the tower I think in my mind "now I'll get ganked" and it's happened the past 6 times or so. It's not a coinflip to countergank that lane, it's nearly guaranteed. Or you can just go back into the brush or even go base, and avoid having to rely on your team. You will NEVER EVER have a jungler who will always be around to babysitt you when you push. You might get it to happen once or twice, but not consistenty. How about learning to play properly? Oh I know about what I should do, you can call that experimenting. I'll still stand by the opinion that counterganking the pushing toplane = free kills in solo queue at low-ish elo. Pushing lanes in general are the best to gank, especially top as people don't ward the brushes. On botlane they ward the brushes all day these days so it doesn't work as well. Oh yeah, and people overrate wards. Like I saw an enemy rammus not ever gank a permapushed botlane because of wards and his teammates whining about it in allchat, even though he's so fast that the wards won't do anything. These are a couple pointers for low elo Rammus is not fast enough to get past the wards... not unless you put them at stupid places like as close as possible to the lane in the river brush as possible. TT
Really? From my experience if the blue side is pushed to the bottom turret and rammus comes from the tribrush they have no way of running even if the tribrush is warded, I thought that was the whole idea about rammus?
oops that double post was totally my bad
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Your jungler is relying on your call to sit in a brush top lane and be fucked fo the rest of the game if their jungler doesn't come. You are relying on your jungler to basically support you in your lane in case you get ganked.
Your jungler thinks you are a really bad 1300 noob who doesn't deserve to have his lane camped he won't carry anyway.
You think your jungler is bad because he doesn't come sit in your lane so you can famr.
Either way if you can get him to do it, sure, if he's CLEARLY NOT COMING, just GO FUCKING BACK and play like everyone else who doesn't have a pocket jungler.
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On February 03 2012 23:51 InvaderUK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:43 Slayer91 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah, but the lane on the opposite side of the map that's getting pushed constantly and is constantly crying for ganks will NOT be impressed by the jungler going to the winning lane with no guarantee of anything. If you were getting pushed you'd be complaining at the jungler and most junglers end up eventually giving in to a whole team crying at that in solo queue, haha. You shouldn't be ignorant, just because your lane is going to be ganked within 5 minutes doesn't mean its worthwhile for their jungler to come sit in the brush for 5 minutes. It's not within 5min though, as I'm pushing the tower I think in my mind "now I'll get ganked" and it's happened the past 6 times or so. It's not a coinflip to countergank that lane, it's nearly guaranteed. Or you can just go back into the brush or even go base, and avoid having to rely on your team. You will NEVER EVER have a jungler who will always be around to babysitt you when you push. You might get it to happen once or twice, but not consistenty. How about learning to play properly? Oh I know about what I should do, you can call that experimenting. I'll still stand by the opinion that counterganking the pushing toplane = free kills in solo queue at low-ish elo. More like relying on teammates = free deaths at low elo
that's just wrong. If you communicate with your teammates then you can estimate their behaviour and reliance. In my games it is very common that a jungler babysitts a specific lane and I play at a low elo range.I figured 90% of the ranked players actually know how to play, they just do alot more mistakes, or have bad mechanics. I'am almost certain that most of the mistakes come mainly from a lack of concentration and/or overly defensive/aggressive mindsets, which you can predict after a certain time. The knowledge however is well spread.
A good example would be my friend who played sc2 for the first time. He followed the tournament scene from the beta on. So his isolated base building looked like it was built from a professional player. Just everything was minutes behind  .
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You don't even need to communicate that much. If you ask them something, or ping for something, and you SEE ON THE MINIMAP they aren't doing it. That's fine. Maybe they disagree with you. You see what happens on CLG vent when someone disagrees? Just accept it and make the next best possible play. Don't just assume that your opinion is god's own truth and if they don't seem to be coming follow through with it anyway. It's just stupidly stubborn.
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On the subject of things people type in. Hat that drive me crazy, add "UMAD BRO?" to the list as well as "____ team is ____." like "bad team is bad" or "noob team is noob." those two things piss me off like no other. If I get a tribunal case and they say either of those things, instaban.
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On the subject of sucky communication:
People that keep pinging the map and then expect you to get what they want to tell you.
Missing? Go there? Someone spotted? Buff check? CV? Gank incomming? WHAT?!
I wish I could speak ping :/
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On February 04 2012 00:11 Slayer91 wrote:
You don't even need to communicate that much. If you ask them something, or ping for something, and you SEE ON THE MINIMAP they aren't doing it. That's fine. Maybe they disagree with you. You see what happens on CLG vent when someone disagrees? Just accept it and make the next best possible play. Don't just assume that your opinion is god's own truth and if they don't seem to be coming follow through with it anyway. It's just stupidly stubborn.
yes I completely agree on the fact that your play has to be based on what you see and not what you like to have.
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On February 04 2012 00:15 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On the subject of sucky communication:
People that keep pinging the map and then expect you to get what they want to tell you.
Missing? Go there? Someone spotted? Buff check? CV? Gank incomming? WHAT?!
I wish I could speak ping :/
the 'fall back' ping is kinda nice for clearing up some of those issues. Now tho, I occasionally hit the wrong one, which has led to a teammate's death more than once 
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On February 04 2012 00:19 clickrush wrote:
yes I completely agree on the fact that your play has to be based on what you see and not what you like to have.
The thing is, this is a total no brainer in my opinion, but people can't seem to accept that they are playing a team game with people that don't always agree with them, and not controlling 5 champs.
Eugh, here I am saying things are obvious when they are evidently not. Perhaps people need to be more.. emphatic? Try to put yourself in the other guys shoes more.
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On February 04 2012 00:15 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On the subject of sucky communication:
People that keep pinging the map and then expect you to get what they want to tell you.
Missing? Go there? Someone spotted? Buff check? CV? Gank incomming? WHAT?!
I wish I could speak ping :/
You should usually be able to intuit what it means. If someone is pinging the river between your lanes, and their lane enemy is no longer there, he's probably on his way to you, so watch out. If everyone is accounted for and they ping the fog near you, carefully check because there's either someone there or likely will be soon. If it's on a buff, they either need help or are going to give it to the AP. Dragon/Baron is usually just "go to dragon/baron". If it's an enemy buff and there's no one nearby to run to it, they're usually asking for a CV.
Just take a second and think, "what's happening at that location and what would be the proper thing to do in my position given the number of choices?" You can usually make out the right answer pretty quick.
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On February 03 2012 23:46 midnight.tokyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 22:23 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:And can anyone tell me what 'la' means? Everyone on SEA adds it after every sentence they type. Not sure if it's the same in Singapore where this is popular but in Cantonese 'la' in a very, very general sense is a copula similar to 'desu' in Japanese, but in fact has no actual meaning.
Ohai, Singaporean here. 'La' or 'lah' changes the tone of the sentence. I'd like to give a short explanation, but come to think of it, it's very dependent on context, so the next best thing is to give you this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish#Lah
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On February 04 2012 00:30 pschiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:46 midnight.tokyo wrote:On February 03 2012 22:23 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:And can anyone tell me what 'la' means? Everyone on SEA adds it after every sentence they type. Not sure if it's the same in Singapore where this is popular but in Cantonese 'la' in a very, very general sense is a copula similar to 'desu' in Japanese, but in fact has no actual meaning. Ohai, Singaporean here. 'La' or 'lah' changes the tone of the sentence. I'd like to give a short explanation, but come to think of it, it's very dependent on context, so the next best thing is to give you this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish#Lah
Wow, now that is confusing haha. Interesting article though.
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