• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:37
CET 21:37
KST 05:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros7[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win52025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest4
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed
Tourneys
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ladder Map Matchup Stats
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Big Programming Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
KPDH "Golden" as Squid Game…
Peanutsc
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1648 users

[Patch 1.0.0.133: Ziggs] General Discussion - Page 158

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 156 157 158 159 160 176 Next
Heed these two simple warnings. It will help make our GD a better place.

Consider this fair notice to all users. Warning will be dished out this patch.

Thanks.
Neo, 31.01.12
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17263 Posts
February 12 2012 11:10 GMT
#3141
Them's the breaks of being high elo and high profile. If there isn't someone around your Elo also queuing, the enemy team is going to be higher than your own team (excluding yourself) in order to balance out the average Elo.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 12 2012 11:22 GMT
#3142
On February 12 2012 20:10 Craton wrote:
Them's the breaks of being high elo and high profile. If there isn't someone around your Elo also queuing, the enemy team is going to be higher than your own team (excluding yourself) in order to balance out the average Elo.

He's like 2150 elo and hasn't even been top pick in all the games so that sort of analysis makes no sense, especially as EHOME TS has been carrying the enemies like 50 games in a row and aren't EHOMEs notorious for something that's not carrying?

Either way it's been hilarious watching his stream and seeing his team fail, but it's already showed me how different he's from TOO. When a laner in TOO's team dies, say solo top feeds a bit TOO is going to try to help them somehow, with countergank or counterjungling in that area to protect them from gank etc. whereas SV tends to just ignore them and concentrate more on farming / guaranteed ganks. The contrast's actually quite clear
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
February 12 2012 11:30 GMT
#3143
Saint's Elo is where he wants it, to be fair - when it gets too high, he does some good old fashioned Elo Policing with his amazing Jungle casters/ranged/supports.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 12 2012 11:53 GMT
#3144
On February 12 2012 20:22 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 20:10 Craton wrote:
Them's the breaks of being high elo and high profile. If there isn't someone around your Elo also queuing, the enemy team is going to be higher than your own team (excluding yourself) in order to balance out the average Elo.

He's like 2150 elo and hasn't even been top pick in all the games so that sort of analysis makes no sense, especially as EHOME TS has been carrying the enemies like 50 games in a row and aren't EHOMEs notorious for something that's not carrying?

Either way it's been hilarious watching his stream and seeing his team fail, but it's already showed me how different he's from TOO. When a laner in TOO's team dies, say solo top feeds a bit TOO is going to try to help them somehow, with countergank or counterjungling in that area to protect them from gank etc. whereas SV tends to just ignore them and concentrate more on farming / guaranteed ganks. The contrast's actually quite clear


The other thing is that all three his lanes been losing for the most part these games.

That being said, you are right. They kind of follow different methodologies Saint and OddOne. TOO tries to enable his team to gain advantages, and Saint just tries to carry hard every game. Which one is better depends on team comp really, as far as I am concerned, and infact I'd argue that neither is necessarily right or wrong.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 12 2012 11:57 GMT
#3145
Yeah SV has actually went like 11-3 or 5-0 or 3-1 or whatever in all the games I saw of him, still the playstyle's very different.

Also funny thing is that Saint's botlane has lost every single game out of the past ~4 that I watched and in every single one of those the enemy botlaner has carried really hard
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 12 2012 11:59 GMT
#3146
Bot lane is the eternal curse of the carry jungler style. You don't buy oracles or camp brushes so it's hard to gank and snowballs unchecked really annoying.
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
February 12 2012 12:32 GMT
#3147
Who is this other guy on wickds stream?
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
February 12 2012 12:46 GMT
#3148
Nhat Ngyuen, the support from EG.
Romanes eunt domus
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 13:55:32
February 12 2012 12:49 GMT
#3149
So I just browsed through this thread about the shortcomings of the SC2 client UI / bnet 0.2.

In there was a link to this:
On February 03 2012 11:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Blizzard should take one look at the LoL client and then they should copy every single part of it.

Shortly followed by:
On February 03 2012 12:29 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
The LoL UI would be a million times better as a base UI than the SC2 UI.


So, I knew the SC2 UI was bad, but it seems like I was lucky enough to get pulled off by LoL before I could really grasp how horrible it actually is.

Edit: There, happy?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 12 2012 12:51 GMT
#3150
M5 going full troll, everybody tries to 1v5, Morde succeeds.
The legend of Darien lives on
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
February 12 2012 13:48 GMT
#3151
You might want to clarify that they're talking about bnet 2.0 UI rather than the UI in the game itself, you had me REALLY confused for a moment there and I was wondering why we were even making the comparison.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
February 12 2012 15:25 GMT
#3152
So, i have been wondering.
In ranked, is the blue team summoner 1 higher elo than the purple team summoner 1 or is it random?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Hamp
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway100 Posts
February 12 2012 15:28 GMT
#3153
Lol holy shit, my team just beat Enemy Rampage, the 3rd highest rated team in EU west. The adrenalin is pumpin so hard right now
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 15:39:53
February 12 2012 15:38 GMT
#3154
On February 13 2012 00:25 57 Corvette wrote:
So, i have been wondering.
In ranked, is the blue team summoner 1 higher elo than the purple team summoner 1 or is it random?

There might be a tendency for one side since the matchmaking gives a slight advantage to blue or purple (don't remember which), which is compensated by a slight difference in average elo.

However, assume teams of
2000, 1750, 1500, 1250, 1000 and
1620, 1570, 1520, 1470, 1420 elo respectively.
Then the first team has an average (assuming it's just a simple average over all values, it might be much more complex) of 1500 and the higher elo first pick, while the second team has an average of 1520 and the lower elo first pick.

So unless we acquire additional information about the variance of elo in teams, this question can't really be answered.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
February 12 2012 16:40 GMT
#3155
shyvana so strong at 1600-1700 elo. The importance of how well your lanes suddenly matters alot less. You simply just farm both teams jungle and then proceed to dive into 5 people and win the game.

So much fun.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 12 2012 16:43 GMT
#3156
Singed can do the same while only farming one lane, if you put it like that.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
February 12 2012 16:44 GMT
#3157
On February 13 2012 01:43 Alaric wrote:
Singed can do the same while only farming one lane, if you put it like that.


Well he's more of a classic tank, shyvana actually kills everyone, like really fast.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
February 12 2012 17:02 GMT
#3158
On February 13 2012 01:43 Alaric wrote:
Singed can do the same while only farming one lane, if you put it like that.

I'd do this all day everyday if Singed wouldn't have counters all over the place. Shyvana is relatively hard to straight up outpick in terms of dueling power, so it depends a lot on the mid laners.
currently rooting for myself.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
February 12 2012 18:25 GMT
#3159
Does this happen to you guys: You're winning your lane very easy (In my place I was up 74 cs and up 1 kill, Wukong was 19 cs). He leaves my lane I call ss, mid dies, he goes bottom they feed him two kills. In end he was no match since my farm was better and I got better items but don't you find that annoying? ( This is not a QQ btw just a geniune question if it happens to other people a lot.)
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 12 2012 18:32 GMT
#3160
On February 13 2012 03:25 Zhiroo wrote:
Does this happen to you guys: You're winning your lane very easy (In my place I was up 74 cs and up 1 kill, Wukong was 19 cs). He leaves my lane I call ss, mid dies, he goes bottom they feed him two kills. In end he was no match since my farm was better and I got better items but don't you find that annoying? ( This is not a QQ btw just a geniune question if it happens to other people a lot.)

Just happened to me VS a Wukong too XD Destroyed him in lane, he got fed on the rest of the map. I took two towers completly unchecked but my team never put up a single ward.
The legend of Darien lives on
Prev 1 156 157 158 159 160 176 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
20:00
Best Games of SC
herO vs Clem
Solar vs Clem
Zoun vs Spirit
Clem vs MaxPax
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft215
UpATreeSC 192
JuggernautJason101
StarCraft: Brood War
Bonyth 75
Dota 2
canceldota345
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1321
Foxcn316
byalli309
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu302
Khaldor149
Other Games
summit1g5067
FrodaN2347
Grubby1984
tarik_tv1592
Beastyqt815
Hui .149
C9.Mang0134
Pyrionflax98
KnowMe89
Fuzer 78
Skadoodle68
ZombieGrub29
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1402
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 127
• HeavenSC 26
• LUISG 24
• Adnapsc2 14
• davetesta12
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 5
• FirePhoenix3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1025
Other Games
• imaqtpie1069
• WagamamaTV216
• Shiphtur208
• tFFMrPink 10
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 23m
Epic.LAN
15h 23m
BSL Team A[vengers]
17h 23m
Dewalt vs Shine
UltrA vs ZeLoT
LAN Event
17h 23m
BSL 21
22h 23m
BSL Team A[vengers]
1d 17h
Cross vs Motive
Sziky vs HiyA
LAN Event
1d 18h
BSL 21
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
WardiTV TLMC #15
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.